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RichMan
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So eternal life in in the hands of each of us and not dependent on Jesus.
If that is true, than no one is saved.
when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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So eternal life in in the hands of each of us and not dependent on Jesus.
If that is true, than no one is saved.
No, Eternal life is held by Christ!
But we can choose by free Will to be in the hands of Christ or be in the hands of our own will.
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RichMan
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Depend on youself if you choose, I will depend on Jesus to keep me.
And because I depend on Him, I will strive to please Him ever moment of my life.
I don’t believe anything should be banned when it comes to discussing the Word of God or religious interpretations of the Word of God. Maybe some parameters on certain subjects….
WHY…....There are new believers every day who have questions…..and others who maybe don’t know. The Word offers us Doctrine (right believing) Reproof (to show us where we are off) Correction (to get us back on track)
If we can’t contend with these questions here, how are we going to deal with it in the real world. And if People can’t get answers here, then do they just wander aimlessly in their own fascination.
WHY…....There are new believers every day who have questions…..and others who maybe don’t know. The Word offers us Doctrine (right believing) Reproof (to show us where we are off) Correction (to get us back on track)
If we can’t contend with these questions here, how are we going to deal with it in the real world. And if People can’t get answers here, then do they just wander aimlessly in their own fascination.
Jesus is going to keep you no matter what.
You choose to stay or leave is the difference.
sounds a bit like calvinism thats sometimes confuses God with satan and negates Jesus sacrifice
I think people just need to read the Bible from beginning to end rather than back to front. Then they will not mix up doctrines. But you cant ban people if they just being confusing. It will hurt their pride...Im thinking and will cause them to argue even more.
The BDF can be a way to sort out their confusion though. Just keep telling the truth. People may get it eventually, hopefully!
LOOK AT YOUR OWN WORDS: I will depend on Jesus
That is a CHOICE made by You!
So, you make my point Valid!
I hope it's not as high as that who would depart. Maybe it could be 99 percent who become wise after this thread. Well anyhow we must hope at least. But then again I could become resident alien number 2 for saying as much lol.Last night it occurred to me, I doubt it will ever be banned because if it did 99% of the people here would depart.
Why do you think God allows evil to exist in this world? That would clear the air.
I would imagine no one would ever admit it but I am sure they feel it. I wonder if you have seen it take place but just would not/did not admit it.
I learned it the hard way, by not believing what was written. I'll not be doing that again.
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirt,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come
6 If they shall fall away,
to renew them again unto repentance;
SEEING THEY CRUCIFY TO THEMSELVES THE SON OF GOD AFRESH AND
PUT HIM TO AN OPEN SHAME.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Again, a hard lesson if you chose not to learn it by 'what is written' because you may instead learn it by what takes place in your life that would not have had you kept that knowledge as a truth given by God. I wish I had. He gave distinct warnings that if I would have just believed that truth, I could have avoided what followed.
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RichMan
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I depend on Jesus and you depend on YOUR choice. It is all about YOU not Jesus.
At one point I gave my eternal soul to Jesus for His keeping. It is now totally in His hands not mine.
There is a difference.
No, we both made a Choice to depend on Jesus, because I have made the same choice.
But, we can also make a choice to depend on ourselves which does not lead us to eternal salvation.
I am just pointing out, you are not secure in Jesus until YOU MAKE A CHOICE TO DEPEND UPON JESUS!
Jesus will not change. You can have faith in his 'end'. BUT you heard the WORDS. You came to faith. You made promises. You accepted promises. You knew the rules when you did.
COME judgment day, who will be judged? You or the Lord?
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RichMan
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I made that choice once. At that time my eternal soul was place in the hands of Jesus.
And no man can take it out. Not even me.
You seem to say that you can and have made that choice many times.
If that is true, than you salvation is dependent on you not Jesus.
the idea od OSAS is a bad doctrine is not the issue. It is those who take "election" to a place that means selection.
AS far as a temptation to be tempted is not a sin, it is the lust that draws one to sin which brings forth death.
The bad doctrine is teaching that one can do enough pray enough fast enough and the temptation will not happen. AS long as we are in this fleshly body we will be tempted. We are to battle daily. We have an enemy to our souls that don't tire and is relentless.
Roman chapter 6 says.
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe (faith) that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon(count it to be so, because it is so) yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
We must come to the understanding temptation will happen but OUR Mind of Christ has to be we will not do it in the name of Jesus. I am dead to that mindset, it has no more hold on me.
THROUGH Christ I can put down :
homosexuality, adultery, fornication, drunkness, lying, hate. perversion. We must call out to Christ as new Creatures in HIM having our minds renewed by the word of God.
Trying to deal with the attacks of the flesh and the devil we cannot stop that from happening, but we can through the power of Christ His resurrection power rebuke the condemnation of the temptation.
The devil and the flesh consistently pull you to what God said do not do.
The temptation is " do it do it!!" the condemnation is after you do it the devil who said Do it shouts LOOK what you did and bring hurling accusations before the Lord of your sin as the accuser of the brethen.
We must repent and hold to the word of God and move on not give up. Nor try not to be tempted we avoid sin and the places of temptation but the flesh & the devil will not stop trying to pull you to do what the flesh love to do. CS1's flesh will desire things that are not of God, I must tell my flesh and the devil I am a New Creature in Christ Jesus and I have been set free from that. I will not do it anymore in Jesus' name. You do that enough times as the word says James 4:7 " Submit yourself to God resist the devil and he will flee from you.
AS far as a temptation to be tempted is not a sin, it is the lust that draws one to sin which brings forth death.
The bad doctrine is teaching that one can do enough pray enough fast enough and the temptation will not happen. AS long as we are in this fleshly body we will be tempted. We are to battle daily. We have an enemy to our souls that don't tire and is relentless.
Roman chapter 6 says.
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe (faith) that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon(count it to be so, because it is so) yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
We must come to the understanding temptation will happen but OUR Mind of Christ has to be we will not do it in the name of Jesus. I am dead to that mindset, it has no more hold on me.
THROUGH Christ I can put down :
homosexuality, adultery, fornication, drunkness, lying, hate. perversion. We must call out to Christ as new Creatures in HIM having our minds renewed by the word of God.
Trying to deal with the attacks of the flesh and the devil we cannot stop that from happening, but we can through the power of Christ His resurrection power rebuke the condemnation of the temptation.
The devil and the flesh consistently pull you to what God said do not do.
The temptation is " do it do it!!" the condemnation is after you do it the devil who said Do it shouts LOOK what you did and bring hurling accusations before the Lord of your sin as the accuser of the brethen.
We must repent and hold to the word of God and move on not give up. Nor try not to be tempted we avoid sin and the places of temptation but the flesh & the devil will not stop trying to pull you to do what the flesh love to do. CS1's flesh will desire things that are not of God, I must tell my flesh and the devil I am a New Creature in Christ Jesus and I have been set free from that. I will not do it anymore in Jesus' name. You do that enough times as the word says James 4:7 " Submit yourself to God resist the devil and he will flee from you.
But it does lead to the type of vessel you will be. Or the way Judgment day goes for you. Or if you will be found naked or not. Or the kind of Soldier of Christ you are. And the works that follow you.
I depend on HIS EXAMPLE set for me. I depend on the love given to me. I depend on the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit sent me. But I am to work. I am to study to show myself approved. I am to walk holy. I am to ask forgiveness. I am to love God with all my heart. I am to put Him first. I am to repent. I am to ask forgiveness. Jesus shows me the PERFECT WAY to get it done. He is a perfect example. He will do as He said he would. I can depend on that.
But He doesn't MAKE ME DO ANYTHING.
If you [[can Choose]] to give yourself to God, can you choose to walk away from God?
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