The lie that we are sinless if we are saved

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Blain

Blain

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There has pnly ever been one who was blamless and without sin and it is only by his blood we are made clean and by his grace we are spotless in his eyes, it is only by his blood and his grace we are made sinless it isn't about how little we sin or how much we practice not sinning it has nothing to do with our own effots it is by his blood and grace only taking it further than that is then making it about works. of course using it as an excuse to sin is then insulting his good will but anyone who is grateful for what he did for us would never do this a saved person is rescued from their past lives and their sinful ways and while they do stumble and some may even have certain thorns in their sides they are burdened to bear they are all the more grateful for his ever lasting grace.

The mindset of not sinning can be good but going to far can be poisonous I know from experience I went through a season where there was this certain sinI just couldn't stop doing I tried so hard to strive to be perfect but I just kept falling short I had been talking to a user on here who believed in perfection and though I knew better I listened to him and strived for it I ended up nearly destroying myself I felt diusgusting I felt ashamed to even speak to God I even feared I would go to hell I wasn't even that far gone just some slip ups here and there but because I just couldn't reach that point of sinlessness I felt dirty and disgusting

I wept at night fearing I would lose him because of my weakness I feared hell I would attack myself internally with insults feeling a filthy sinner like me deserved it saying things like how dare a disgusting sinner like me even dare ask for forgiveness how I should be ashamed for even thinking of doing sucha horrendous thing. Believe me the whole perfection thing is toxic you will fall short and the enemy will use it against you and even use people to do so, now I simply don't worry about such things I just love him enjoy being his child and when I fall short I know that I am forgiven move forwards and strive to do better next time I keep things simple and live in love that is all.
 
Blain

Blain

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pittsburghjoe said:
JESUS Lived His whole Life Sinless ...i've only been doing it for a year or so ...through Him!

Do you use the same excuse over and over again right before you sin? You gave into your animal side ...the beast.

Do you say, "oh, i have cherry picked Scripture, that i misinterpret, that says i can sin."?

Who do you think you are fooling?

You are either a Pillar of GOD'S Kingdom or you sin with self-idolatry for satan's kingdom (worldly babylon).

You are not a Child of GOD if you are sinning. HOLY SPIRIT Oil can't be in a corrupted Temple.

With JESUS as The Head of The Body of CHRIST, we use Him as a periscope to see beyond the veil of death (satan's kingdom / worldly babylon / self-idolatry).

You have no idea what i'm talking about when you have sin in your life. You eat from the wrong tree and blinded yourself.

Children of GOD can perceive The Narrow Path of SALVATION (The Kingdom of GOD / Tree of LIFE).

You pretend to be a Child ...when you are a tare. You can only handle the literal because GOD isn't Reading It to you. You are stuck on your animal side.

The whole reason this place exists if for GOD to find people His Presence can be around ...do you really think you have anything to do with that?

We are Reborn into The Body of CHRIST ...The Kingdom. What part of that statement sounds like sin is allowed?

What do you think satan is tempting you with? Obviously it is to fall out of The Holy Body ...to ruin your Image ...with some horns.

Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES?

How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?

Do you want GOD to know you at Judgment or not?

The Garden is the mind ...temptation happens there. GOD Breathed an Image into Adam (us as a baby). sin ruins it, we need The Reborn Image CHRIST Made for us to pass this test.
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It isn't for you to say if he is a child of God or not, I will fully admit I still sin at times will you also say I am not his child? will you also call me a tare and judge me to be lost to my animal instincts?
 
pittsburghjoe

pittsburghjoe

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Blain said:
It isn't for you to say if he is a child of God or not, I will fully admit I still sin at times will you also say I am not his child? will you also call me a tare and judge me to be lost to my animal instincts?
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Do you get this place is a test to see if you can overcome? It's called withdrawals ...man through it if you want pass this test.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Blain said:
It isn't for you to say if he is a child of God or not, I will fully admit I still sin at times will you also say I am not his child? will you also call me a tare and judge me to be lost to my animal instincts?
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i've been where you are for most of my life. You have to give the beast up. That is what this flesh is all about. You have to stop giving it what it wants ...fasting.

GOD doesn't want animal children.
 
Magenta

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John146 said:
Do you have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ? Did Christ sin? Are you in Christ? If so, then you are sinless, now and forever.
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Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship
of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11 and so, somehow, to attain
to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect,
but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not
consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind
and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly
calling in Christ Jesus.

 
pittsburghjoe

pittsburghjoe

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Magenta said:
Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship
of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11 and so, somehow, to attain
to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect,
but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not
consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind
and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly
calling in Christ Jesus.
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You act like the original op of this thread is even trying. There is an end to sin ...Through CHRIST.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
pittsburghjoe

pittsburghjoe

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Magenta said:
Philippians 3:10 I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship
of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11 and so, somehow, to attain
to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect,
but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not
consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind
and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly
calling in Christ Jesus.
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And you just giving people excuses to sin. It doesn't say anything about repeated sins. You people are ridiculous if you think Biblical Saints were doing physical sins.
 
Blain

Blain

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pittsburghjoe said:
i've been where you are for most of my life. You have to give the beast up. That is what this flesh is all about. You have to stop giving it what it wants ...fasting.

GOD doesn't want animal children.
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God wants me as I am more than once I have actually met him more than once I had the experience of his love pouring into my body it was only a drop yet it was so rich and deep it was to much for my body to handle. his love is beyond words beyond explanation it is to vast and beauttiful to explain yet without even speaking a word I could feel the depth of his love for me as if a million words at once how precious I was to him how beautiful I was to him how cherished I was to him how he longs to hold me in his arms

I may not be a perfect child of God in your eyes but I am in his my heart is branded with that experience that proves it.
 
CherieR

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Blain said:
God wants me as I am more than once I have actually met him more than once I had the experience of his love pouring into my body it was only a drop yet it was so rich and deep it was to much for my body to handle. his love is beyond words beyond explanation it is to vast and beauttiful to explain yet without even speaking a word I could feel the depth of his love for me as if a million words at once how precious I was to him how beautiful I was to him how cherished I was to him how he longs to hold me in his arms

I may not be a perfect child of God in your eyes but I am in his my heart is branded with that experience that proves it.
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How did you meet him? Sounds like a wonderful experience. Would love to hear more on that.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Blain said:
God wants me as I am more than once I have actually met him more than once I had the experience of his love pouring into my body it was only a drop yet it was so rich and deep it was to much for my body to handle. his love is beyond words beyond explanation it is to vast and beauttiful to explain yet without even speaking a word I could feel the depth of his love for me as if a million words at once how precious I was to him how beautiful I was to him how cherished I was to him how he longs to hold me in his arms

I may not be a perfect child of God in your eyes but I am in his my heart is branded with that experience that proves it.
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You are just a bad as a near death experiencer. They never realize there is Judgment Day ...hello???
 
pittsburghjoe

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Blain said:
It isn't for you to say if he is a child of God or not, I will fully admit I still sin at times will you also say I am not his child? will you also call me a tare and judge me to be lost to my animal instincts?
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Read through this and tell if you think you are still a Child of GOD.

1 John 3:4-10 ESV

4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
 
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SophieT said:
AKA Sinless Perfectionism

Seems pretty straight forward

1 John 1:7-10 “but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”

further, those who believe a person can achieve a sinless state, also believe that you loose your salvation if you should sin (although if you are in a perfect state how would that happen :unsure:)

so there are two things to deal with when looking at this sinless state some believe possible

the idea of sinlessness itself and the question regarding a person loosing salvation if they sin

another term for this concept of sinlessness is "Holiness Theology'

thoughts?
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Personally I believe that we can be "wholly sanctified" (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24) as a "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15) in which the believer is "perfected for ever" (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)) and therefore "cannot sin" because "His seed remaineth in him." and because "he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

However, I also do not believe in this understanding that if I sin, there is no Advocate with the Father to make intercession for me (see 1 John 2:1).

We are justified by the blood of Jesus (Romans 5:9) but we are not born of blood (John 1:13).

If I am born of God, I will not commit sin from that time forward;

But if I am not born of God, that does not mean that I am not saved.

For I can be justified (by His blood) without being born again.

If I am justified through faith in the blood of Christ, I believe that this is a guarantee that I will either be wholly sanctified in this life (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv) or else that when I die I will receive a glorified body and that this will constitute being born of God at that time (whichever one it is).
 
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John146

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SophieT said:
this isn't about imputed righteousness

I might be able to tell you a thing or two about it

maybe slow down and read what it is really about

sinless perfectionism....not imputed righteousness
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A better way to put it is:

Is it possible to overcome the flesh and not give in to it's desires and be completely obedient to the Lord one's entire life?
 
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CherieR said:
Sin does not separate a Christian from God or his love.
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Doesn't the bible teach the opposite that it does?

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.
 
pittsburghjoe

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justbyfaith said:
However, I also do not believe in this understanding that if I sin, there is no Advocate with the Father to make intercession for me (see 1 John 2:1).
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Please don't bring this verse up around sinners. This is another verse i hear a lot as an excuse. It is for the Elect that accidentally sin ...didn't know it was a sin until after they did it. So, no, you can't do that sexual act or do that drug again.


Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
JESUS Lived His whole Life Sinless ...i've only been doing it for a year or so ...through Him!

Do you use the same excuse over and over again right before you sin? You gave into your animal side ...the beast.

Do you say, "oh, i have cherry picked Scripture, that i misinterpret, that says i can sin."?

Who do you think you are fooling?

You are either a Pillar of GOD'S Kingdom or you sin with self-idolatry for satan's kingdom (worldly babylon).

You are not a Child of GOD if you are sinning. HOLY SPIRIT Oil can't be in a corrupted Temple.

With JESUS as The Head of The Body of CHRIST, we use Him as a periscope to see beyond the veil of death (satan's kingdom / worldly babylon / self-idolatry).

You have no idea what i'm talking about when you have sin in your life. You eat from the wrong tree and blinded yourself.

Children of GOD can perceive The Narrow Path of SALVATION (The Kingdom of GOD / Tree of LIFE).

You pretend to be a Child ...when you are a tare. You can only handle the literal because GOD isn't Reading It to you. You are stuck on your animal side.

The whole reason this place exists if for GOD to find people His Presence can be around ...do you really think you have anything to do with that?

We are Reborn into The Body of CHRIST ...The Kingdom. What part of that statement sounds like sin is allowed?

What do you think satan is tempting you with? Obviously it is to fall out of The Holy Body ...to ruin your Image ...with some horns.

Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES?

How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?

Do you want GOD to know you at Judgment or not?

The Garden is the mind ...temptation happens there. GOD Breathed an Image into Adam (us as a baby). sin ruins it, we need The Reborn Image CHRIST Made for us to pass this test.
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This post is proof that you are a a liar and a sinner.
You said that you have not sinned in a year.
 
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Why do the moderators of this sight allow people to continue to call God a liar by posting that they live without sin?
 
pittsburghjoe

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It's just sad how blind people are. The kneejerk reaction to hearing that someone doesn't sin is to lash out at it.
 
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