Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Salvation "through faith". Yes Romans 10:17 says faith cometh by hearing the word Of God. Everytime the gospel is preached, the Holy Spirit is working, doing the conviction, leading the sinners to come into repentance and faith towards God Acts 20:21. You say salvation and faith, the scripture says in the particular verse in Eph . 2:8 says "are ye saved through faith" lit. We are saved by believing, since this gift of God is siingular, then it cannot be both refers to salvation and faith but rather either on of the two. Obviously, God is the one offering it and I believe, God is offering to us salvation which i gave verses to prove my point in my prior post.
"ye might believe": wait - so you're saying that not everyone who reads believes? Then who is it who comes to believe, and why?
Their belief (the "they" below) came from first having been blessed to believe - a blessing of God. From that blessing they had received eternal life.
[Jhn 20:29 KJV]
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
Their belief (the "they" below) came from first having been blessed to believe - a blessing of God. From that blessing they had received eternal life.
[Jhn 20:29 KJV]
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
FreeGrace2 said:
Did either Adam or Eve drop dead 'in the day that they ate'? No. They were still physically alive and continued to make choices.
And they STILL were ABLE to make CHOICES. That's what calvinists can't seem to understand. Spiritual death doesn't prevent the unbeliever from believing, as you presume.
This doesn't make any sense.
Overwhelmed by truth, eh?
You don't understand my points because you are blinded by the presumptions of calvinism. None of which can be found in Scripture.
Did either Adam or Eve drop dead 'in the day that they ate'? No. They were still physically alive and continued to make choices.
And they STILL were ABLE to make CHOICES. That's what calvinists can't seem to understand. Spiritual death doesn't prevent the unbeliever from believing, as you presume.
This doesn't make any sense.
Overwhelmed by truth, eh?
You don't understand my points because you are blinded by the presumptions of calvinism. None of which can be found in Scripture.
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Yeah, well look at it this way - at least the Elect understand and agree on the core doctrine of Christ- that He is the only Saviour with all that implies and realize that all doctrine has been built upon Him. On the other hand, you and those of your ilk are wrong in even the most basic and important of Christian doctrine, so with/from a rotten foundation, it really doesn't matter what else you might agree upon.
A correct choice to follow Jesus is not a work, my friend.
Ephesians
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
We choose to place our faith in Jesus. We cannot earn it, but neither is it automatic for anyone who neglects such great salvation. It is important to get this correct in your head before you try to teach others.
Ephesians
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
We choose to place our faith in Jesus. We cannot earn it, but neither is it automatic for anyone who neglects such great salvation. It is important to get this correct in your head before you try to teach others.
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FreeGrace2 said:
And they STILL were ABLE to make CHOICES. That's what calvinists can't seem to understand. Spiritual death doesn't prevent the unbeliever from believing, as you presume.
Why do you think every choice is "spiritual"? Believing the gospel isn't a spiritual choice. It's a trust issue.
However, Adam's choice was to hide from God since he KNEW what he had done. Unlike Evie. She was deceived. He wasn't.
This proves that man has a conscience. Even though he had died spiritually, he KNEW what he did and the consequences.
Thanks for the example.
And they STILL were ABLE to make CHOICES. That's what calvinists can't seem to understand. Spiritual death doesn't prevent the unbeliever from believing, as you presume.
Why do you think every choice is "spiritual"? Believing the gospel isn't a spiritual choice. It's a trust issue.
However, Adam's choice was to hide from God since he KNEW what he had done. Unlike Evie. She was deceived. He wasn't.
This proves that man has a conscience. Even though he had died spiritually, he KNEW what he did and the consequences.
Thanks for the example.
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