Major doctrinal errors found in Amillennialism.

[Journeyman]

7. Return of Christ not found inbetween the end of the Millennium and judgment day.

In Rev 20 we are shown the beginning and the end of the Millennium and then the great white throne judgment yet the most anticipated event in human history is nowhere to be found. If Jesus does not return inbetween the end of the Millennium and judgment day, then when did his return actually take place?

Judgment day is when Christ returns.

 

[Journeyman]

8. Thousand year reign of the saints in Heaven or on the Earth?

Some Amill's claim the resurrected saints that reign for 1000 years are in heaven during that reign, yet some also say the 1000 years doesn't apply to those saints in heaven because "heaven is eternal" and there is no time there. According to Rev_5:10, the saints reign on the Earth not in heaven therefore the reign of the rod of iron for a thousand years in Revelation 20 is upon the Earth.

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Rev.5:10

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev.1:6

A lot of people just don't like the way our King is reigning on earth.

 

[Journeyman]

9. Satan attacks New Jerusalem?

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Some Amill's believe that this attempted attack on Jerusalem is actually against New Jerusalem and satan is trying to access God's throne yet New Jerusalem does not descend from Heaven until after judgment day, Rev 21.

Believers are the beloved city.

ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb.12:22

 

[Evmur]

Amillennialism is blown, when placed against God's word it always was. But now it is SHOWN to be blown.

Amill believes that we are in the kingdom epoch now and it's premise always was that the church would spread throughout all the world become the dominant power in every nation and put all of God's enemies under it's feet. There is no future age. no future kingdom on earth.

It is very acceptable to the human mind, especially as the doctrine was formed in the church's infancy.

But it is in direct contradiction to Christ's description of the world in the end - times

The church is not dominant, it has not conquered all, it has not put all of God's enemies under it's feet. It has not put an end to all wars, it has not brought about world wide peace and prosperity.

The bible description of the end - times is rebellion against God.

So Amill is and always was false.

We are not sent to set up the kingdom of God but to announce it to every creature ... to announce that it is coming. The central truth and we do not preach it.

 

[Journeyman]

And the people who slapped our Lord around thought they were ruling over him. Big mistake.

 

[Jocund]

This topic can become convoluted without first presenting and agreeing on definitions and base concepts of what is being discussed.

Is this link (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-amillennialism.html) a fair explanation of the amillennialism position you had in mind?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

OT
Exo 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

NT
1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Premillennialism has been ended for ten reasons:

1 Authentic Jews are not a thing anymore.

2 We are the Priests in Rev 20.

3 GOD'S Children are the First Resurrection from CHRIST (Reborn) in Rev 20.

4 GOD doesn't extend His Prophecy times ...so no gap theory allowed

5 The Covenant of Daniel's 70 Weeks was for The MESSIAH ...not the antichrist ...please grow up.

6 A Reign with a physical GOD ruins Faith for SALVATION

7 Everything is Fulfilled in CHRIST ...THE KINGDOM IS NOW.

8 You don't rule with a literal Rod of Iron ...You use The Word of GOD

9 If JESUS would have taken satan's offer to rule the planet ...JESUS would have failed ...so why are you trying to say JESUS will be a beast King in the future?

10 Premills are saying The Reborn Image of The Last Adam didn't happen yet. It is how we enter into The Kingdom right now. That means they are saying JESUS didn't Raise from the dead to Create It!

John 3:5-6
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Last Adam had Pure Blood to Fix our Reborn Image.
1 Corinthians 15:20-24 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/15/20-24/s_1077020
Romans 6:3-12 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/6/3-12/s_1052003
1 Corinthians 15:44-49 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/15/44-49/s_1077044

 

[ewq1938]

Judgment day is when Christ returns.

Only for the saved. The unsaved are judged over a thousand years later, Revelation 20.

 

[ewq1938]

Believers are the beloved city.

ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb.12:22

The verse says no such thing.

 

[ewq1938]

10. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is when a person is born again and is spiritually resurrected?

The problem with this idea is that Revelation 20 specifically says those who are of the first resurrection had died from being beheaded in the great Tribulation. They were beheaded "for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" which means they were already "spiritually resurrected" ie: born-again Christians before dying so the only resurrection left for them to experience would have to be a bodily resurrection. Revelation 20:4 is depicting dead Christians coming back to life (physical resurrection).

 

[pittsburghjoe]

10. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is when a person is born again and is spiritually resurrected?

The problem with this idea is that Revelation 20 specifically says those who are of the first resurrection had died from being beheaded in the great Tribulation. They were beheaded "for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" which means they were already "spiritually resurrected" ie: born-again Christians before dying so the only resurrection left for them to experience would have to be a bodily resurrection. Revelation 20:4 is depicting dead Christians coming back to life (physical resurrection).

The Martyrs lost their beast head ...and got Reborn to The Body of CHRIST ....with His Head.

 

[Jocund]

10. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is when a person is born again and is spiritually resurrected?

The problem with this idea is that Revelation 20 specifically says those who are of the first resurrection had died from being beheaded in the great Tribulation. They were beheaded "for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" which means they were already "spiritually resurrected" ie: born-again Christians before dying so the only resurrection left for them to experience would have to be a bodily resurrection. Revelation 20:4 is depicting dead Christians coming back to life (physical resurrection).

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." - Revelation 20:4 KJV

a) John saw thrones.
b) "They" sat on the thrones to judge
c) AND John saw the souls of beheaded martyrs
d) AND John saw the souls of those that had not worshipped the beast

It COULD be the case that b, c, & d are descriptions of the same people. It could ALSO be the case that b, c, & d are separate descriptions of separate groups of people. It could ALSO be the case that b, c, & d descriptions apply in varying degrees to each individual.

It is NOT necessarily the case that all of those on thrones are beheaded.

 

[ewq1938]

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." - Revelation 20:4 KJV

a) John saw thrones.
b) "They" sat on the thrones to judge
c) AND John saw the souls of beheaded martyrs
d) AND John saw the souls of those that had not worshipped the beast

It COULD be the case that b, c, & d are descriptions of the same people. It could ALSO be the case that b, c, & d are separate descriptions of separate groups of people. It could ALSO be the case that b, c, & d descriptions apply in varying degrees to each individual.

It is NOT necessarily the case that all of those on thrones are beheaded.

The beheaded are not the ones on the thrones. They are being judged by the ones on the thrones. The important part here is that dead people are being judged and resurrected and they are part of the first resurrection of the dead. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" is a second group of the dead which resurrect after the thousand years is over.

 

[ewq1938]

11. The beast of Revelation 13 existed in John's time.

Some Amillennialists claim that the beast of Revelation 13 existed in John's time, yet John was told that this beast did not exist in his time. That also eliminates the possibility that the beast was Rome. Also the fact that Revelation 13's beast is destroyed at the second coming (Revelation 19) also disproves Amill's interpretation of who the beast is and when it exists.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour. Yet John was told that this beast did not exist in his time, that it would come to be again in the future.

 

[Journeyman]

Only for the saved. The unsaved are judged over a thousand years later, Revelation 20.

The GWTJ is where is where works are judged. Works are judged at Christs' judgment seat.

 

[Journeyman]

The verse says no such thing.

The holy city is the bride of Christ. Being made one with Jesus is how people come to Mt. Zion.

 

[ewq1938]

The GWTJ is where is where works are judged. Works are judged at Christs' judgment seat.

There's two days of judgment. One at the second coming for the saved, and another after the end of the thousand years for the unsaved.

 

[Journeyman]

10. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is when a person is born again and is spiritually resurrected?

The problem with this idea is that Revelation 20 specifically says those who are of the first resurrection had died from being beheaded in the great Tribulation. They were beheaded "for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" which means they were already "spiritually resurrected" ie: born-again Christians before dying so the only resurrection left for them to experience would have to be a bodily resurrection. Revelation 20:4 is depicting dead Christians coming back to life (physical resurrection).

The born again are hated for reigning with Christ in love and mercy,

The world doesn't want to govern this way. The world doesn't believe the King

 

[Journeyman]

There's two days of judgment. One at the second coming for the saved, and another after the end of the thousand years for the unsaved.

No there isn't, because,

1) all people and works are examined by fire at Christs' judgment seat.

2) the book of life is opened at the GWTJ because believers works are judged there

3) all judgment is committed to the Son, who is One with his Father.