We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

[pittsburghjoe]

Clearly I am not going to keep up. Please recommend books on this topic from all sides that are likely to be in Bible University library --- academic in nature. I don't read popular books. Some popular books I looked at in a bookstore teaches Universalism.

One was called something like the tool shed.

i haven't read it myself but i hear good things

https://www.amazon.com/Commentary-N...2129a&pd_rd_wg=4hCpN&pd_rd_i=0801026938&psc=1

 

[Oblio]

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What runs through your minds when you hear someone tell you to stop sinning? Is it to attack it in any way you can? Do you wonder why you do that?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

How does anyone have Spiritual Fruits right now if The Kingdom isn't here?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Premills don't want The Kingdom to be now because they don't want Covered in JESUS' Blood and form to The Image of The Last Adam ...aka they want to sin.

 

[kaylagrl]

Wow did you intentionally cut out this part ?

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

was that intentional ?

Jer. 33

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

35 This is what the Lord says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the Lord Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”

This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.

It finishes saying;

The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.

Did you miss that intentionally?

and they are going to inherit this old land ?

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

or is it about the promised land ?


Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It seems like the covenant said it would be a perpetual curse if they broke but blessing if they obeyed …..is that not true ?

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is. 11:11


Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


Ezek.

“Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel… 12I will bring you into the land of Israel… 14I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD… 21Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land 22and I will make them one nation in the land… 25They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.


Zech.

“I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. 9“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. 10“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.


The Jews will be gathered back to their land. This is still happening as we speak. God said His promises were everlasting. He will do what He said He will do.

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[Oblio]

We do understand that the banished ones of Israel and the dispersed of Judah speak of the 2 houses?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jer. 33

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

35 This is what the Lord says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the Lord Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”

This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.

It finishes saying;

The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.

Did you miss that intentionally?








Is. 11:11


Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


Ezek.

“Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel… 12I will bring you into the land of Israel… 14I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD… 21Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land 22and I will make them one nation in the land… 25They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.


Zech.

“I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. 9“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. 10“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.


The Jews will be gathered back to their land. This is still happening as we speak. God said His promises were everlasting. He will do what He said He will do.

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right his law not Moses law this law that Jesus was going to bring the promised covenant law

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his law would be written on our hearts if we are willing to hear him That is

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


whereas Moses law which given hundred of years before that was broken amd became the curse he said it would and wouldn’t be according to the new there would be a new covenant that means a new word

this word

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not this word

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This word

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;

I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-4‬ ‭

Not this law

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why would God want to write a law that isn’t of faith on a heart when salvstion has to be of faith ? We don’t want the cirse wrotten on our heart that was written on stone and then in a book and cursed a people . Definately don’t want that on our hearts we want this on our heart which is sort of the point

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s all An Israelite or gentile has to do

But Moses words became a curse when They crucified Jesus they lost thier inheritance . He was the one who came to restore them but They wouldn’t have it so a remnant was saved and sent out to the world now anyone can be saved by Jesus words in the gospel that’s Gods law the other was a pattern and offers no faith or righteousness because it was ordained of angels because they worshipped the calf

there’s no one Other way to be saved jew or gentile but through the gospel and Jesus Christ. Anyone can be but they have to convert to Christ and the New Testament the old is why there’s a curse on the world

there are two covenants one through Moses intercession , shedding animal blood and speaking the word ordained of angels meant to hold the world guilty

And that lead the world to a red to accept the messiah and his everlasting word of life and blessing in God

 

[CS1]

Jer. 33

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

35 This is what the Lord says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the Lord Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”

This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.

It finishes saying;

The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.

Did you miss that intentionally?








Is. 11:11


Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


Ezek.

“Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel… 12I will bring you into the land of Israel… 14I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD… 21Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land 22and I will make them one nation in the land… 25They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.


Zech.

“I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. 9“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. 10“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.


The Jews will be gathered back to their land. This is still happening as we speak. God said His promises were everlasting. He will do what He said He will do.

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Amen !!!!!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen !!!!!

Did he write this on our heart to blind us ?

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7-8, 12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t want that on our heart

orrrr is the New Covenant wrotten on the heart from the promises like this one ?

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


is God saying he is Moses ? And that a law would in the future come from Moses or be repeated ? Or is he promising that He Jesus would come forth and make a new covenant ? That His law would proceed from him himself ?

would he write Moses old law meant for this on our heart ?

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did he write the seed of promises word on our heart ? This word

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or this law

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-7, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why would he yoke us like that on our heart ? Instead of like this

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

giving us the yoke we can bear and find rest and actually know Jesus ? Would t it make sense that the gospel is Gods word given Jesus spoke it ? And by believing the gospel isn’t that how it gets “ written” on the heart ?

There seems to be confusion about who God is that spoke his law and who were called to put our trust in if we trust in Moses word this is gonna be the result

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We shouldn’t want that but this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want Gods truth on our heart not Moses veil

 

[BroTan]

There are unconditional promises God will keep to the Jews. The Jews lost the deed to the land for a time, but not the title.

Gen 14 The Lord said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, “Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east and west. 15 All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring[a] forever. 16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted. 17 Go, walk through the length and breadth of the land, for I am giving it to you.”

Gen 15 4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring[d] be.”

7 He also said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”
8 But Abram said, “Sovereign Lord, how can I know that I will gain possession of it?”
9 So the Lord said to him, “Bring me a heifer, a goat and a ram, each three years old, along with a dove and a young pigeon.”
10 Abram brought all these to him, cut them in two and arranged the halves opposite each other; the birds, however, he did not cut in half. 11 Then birds of prey came down on the carcasses, but Abram drove them away.
12 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram

The promise is then sealed in a solemn covenantal ceremony in which the Lord himself—not Abraham—passes through sacrificed animals, binding himself to his promise.

God promises that if Israel can keep his covenant, then they will be his special people (Exodus 19:5-6). Yet even if they should disobey, and receive the full brunt of the curses, God will not break his covenant; over and over in the Torah he always extends to Israel the offer for them to return:

…I will not reject them, nor will I so abhor them as to destroy them, breaking My covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God. But I will remember for them the covenant with their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am the LORD. (Leviticus 26:44-45)​

Deut. 30
Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

Jeremiah continues that promise that even though the Jews have strayed, again, God will keep his everlasting promises to the Jews.

"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days…I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people…for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

That's right, because Israel is in captivity now, scatter across the four corners of the earth. And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: and the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. (Deu. 30: 1-6)

But look what Isaiah says in 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

At the second coming of Jesus all this will take place, but Paul says something very interesting in Romans 11: 5 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[BroTan]

If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Even though Israel is not together as a nation today, Israel is still on their job as a priest even in captivity today. Because remember Jesus says in Matthew 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Also understand what Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. who are Israelites; .....to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; (Roman 9: 4)

The priest of God in Revelation 20: 6 are the Israelites that didn't make in the first the resurrection at the second coming of Jesus. Let's look the verses all together in Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Now we see that there are people who will not make the first resurrection, but instead will be priest of God. But in that day the priesthood will be set up again like the days of Moses.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That's right, because Israel is in captivity now, scatter across the four corners of the earth. And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: and the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. (Deu. 30: 1-6)

But look what Isaiah says in 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

At the second coming of Jesus all this will take place, but Paul says something very interesting in Romans 11: 5 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

remember he scattered them before in 600 ad ? I will carry you away Beyond Babylon ? And then would gather them from the nations ? And then would send the one who was going to restore thier kingdom ?

do you think this impacts anything ? Actually asking your opinion This parable is one of isreals experience with God

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants ( the prophets ) to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. (What israel did when the prophets called them to repentance )

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: ( the latter kingdom prophets announcing the messiahs coming )

and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭

do you think that Isreels last chance as the chosen nation was to accept Jesus Christ ? And because they killed thoer Lord and savior who was sent to restore the kingdom to them that God said “ I will take the kingdom from you and give it to others ?

did you notice this

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.

These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. ( those who accepted the messiah like the early church all Israelites )

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 5-6, 8-9, 12, 14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

lot of scriptire tbere but what I’m asking is do you note the remnant that would survive ? But the nation destroyed ? And they would be sent out to all nations a second time ???? It happened in 600 ad and again in 70 ad they were dispersed into the ancient world before and then again from romes destruction of Jerusalem fryer they rejected thier messiah

do you think God is going to offer y other way than jesus ? Again I’m actually asking your thoughts

 

[kaylagrl]

That's right, because Israel is in captivity now, scatter across the four corners of the earth. And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: and the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. (Deu. 30: 1-6)

But look what Isaiah says in 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

At the second coming of Jesus all this will take place, but Paul says something very interesting in Romans 11: 5 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The nation "born in a day" was Israel in 1948. And yes,blindness will continue until the Gentiles have come in. But the gathering back has begun.

 

[kaylagrl]

But Moses words became a curse when They crucified Jesus they lost thier inheritance . He was the one who came to restore them but They wouldn’t have it so a remnant was saved and sent out to the world now anyone can be saved by Jesus words in the gospel that’s Gods law the other was a pattern and offers no faith or righteousness because it was ordained of angels because they worshipped the calf

No, you're missing the point that the first covenant God made with the Jews was unconditional. That is why as many times as they fell He would tell them to repent, to come back to Him, that He hadn't left them. Nothing overides that. That covenant still stands and it has nothing to do with Gentiles. It's promises He will keep to the Jew. Yes, they have suffered because of disobedience, but God has never and will never let them go. Romans 11 confirms this again.

there’s no one Other way to be saved jew or gentile but through the gospel and Jesus Christ. Anyone can be but they have to convert to Christ and the New Testament the old is why there’s a curse on the world

there are two covenants one through Moses intercession , shedding animal blood and speaking the word ordained of angels meant to hold the world guilty

And that lead the world to a red to accept the messiah and his everlasting word of life and blessing in God

I don't understand what people don't get about this. No one is saying anyone is "saved a different way". When the blindness is lifted the Jews will "see Him whom they have pierced and morn". That means they will recognize that Jesus was the Messiah all along. But that still doesn't change the fact that God will keep His promises to the Jews. The church doesn't replace the Jews.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

[1] “But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella.

[3] “For when the city was about to be captured and sacked by the Romans, all the disciples were warned beforehand by an angel to remove from the city, doomed as it was to utter destruction. On migrating from it they settled at Pell

[1] “[F]or on the approach of the Roman army, all the Christians in the province, warned, as ecclesiastical history tells us, miraculously from heaven, withdrew, and passing the Jordan, took refuge in the city of Pella;

^
Just wanted to point out that these [Judeans-aka Christians] that Christ foretold in the first 15 Verses of Matthew 24 are JEWS. And we see that Every Single One escaped the attack of Rome. Now if 1 million Jews were killed by Rome, how many Jews escaped we call Christian? Hundreds of Thousands. When these Jews had children and they had children, the Jewish Lineage continued. So Modern Day Israel are Descendants of both Jews who kept to the Law in 70 A.D. and Judeans/Christians who converted to Christ.

So the Remnant and Lineage of Israel is a True DNA Bloodline.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The nation "born in a day" was Israel in 1948. And yes,blindness will continue until the Gentiles have come in. But the gathering back has begun.

No, you're missing the point that the first covenant God made with the Jews was unconditional. That is why as many times as they fell He would tell them to repent, to come back to Him, that He hadn't left them. Nothing overides that. That covenant still stands and it has nothing to do with Gentiles. It's promises He will keep to the Jew. Yes, they have suffered because of disobedience, but God has never and will never let them go. Romans 11 confirms this again.








I don't understand what people don't get about this. No one is saying anyone is "saved a different way". When the blindness is lifted the Jews will "see Him whom they have pierced and morn". That means they will recognize that Jesus was the Messiah all along. But that still doesn't change the fact that God will keep His promises to the Jews. The church doesn't replace the Jews.

“No, you're missing the point that the first covenant God made with the Jews was unconditional.”

am I missing the point ?

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:

And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your telling me that’s unconditional and it doesn’t matter what they did ? And I just don’t get it ?

So you believe that israel is going to be saved even though they reject Jesus and the gospel ?

“This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your saying there is another way that they are going to be saved?

And your saying they don’t need to receive the Holy Spirit that only comes from accepting the gospel ?

they don’t need remission of their sins in Christ ?

I’m not sure I’m the one not getting it.


If an Israelite repents and accepts the gospel they will be part of Gods kingdom , same as any person on earth if they repent and believe the gospel.

there’s no separate kingdom for the Jew there’s Jesus and the gospel of we reject him or they reject him the result is the same we have to be born of Christ so do they

 

[Blik]

The thread was sent in this direction because Premills don't want The Kingdom to be now ...for that reason!

I wonder what you feel you are gaining by wildly throwing out false accusations and committing what Christ calls murder? Do you think that if you paint everyone but you black it will make you appear cleaner?

 

[Oblio]

Whip yourself...whip others...that's gotta count for something...doesn't it?

 

[TheLearner]

good night