Without authentic Jews, Premillennialism doesn't have a view.
- Thread starter pittsburghjoe
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
You know, when people post things like 'you are a clown' and 'you don't believe', I find something to be severely lacking in their walk. And those who are lacking in their walk ought not be thinking they are teachers.
You can make your point without resorting to personal attacks and making assumptions about people you don't know.
You can make your point without resorting to personal attacks and making assumptions about people you don't know.
-
2
-
2
- Show all
You need to come out of the dark that you've been taught or wherever you've pick up this garbage you speak.
I could care less if you're amill,premill,preterist, or whatever instead you come across as agnostic and unbelieving.
Yes poor Joe under spiritual attack again but you have to be spiritual to be under spiritual attack.
-
1
- Show all
I'm pretty sure pre-mil eschatology has little to nothing to do with "hebrew roots" types that say Jesus didn't fulfill the OT. OH! Except for that John Hagee dude- but I think outside of his particular following, people know that guy is a little... off. I don't think he's the prototypical pre-mil at all.
As far as "not being able to handle" preterism or amillenialism... I don't even know what that means. I personally have no eschatological preference (yet), but preterism seems to be the most unlikely (and the most boring), followed by amillenialism. You're going to have a hard time convincing people that a child feeding their pet lions and bears straw has some "spiritual interpretation" that points to something going on right now. The preterist/amil idea that satan is currently bound from deceiving the nations... did that start at 70 AD too? Come on... the spirit of anti-christ is clearly at work, look around! Or is that just Satan deceiving everyone into thinking the spirit of anti-christ is still around? Oh, right! That's not possible because Satan is bound from deceiving the nations. I just see anything trying to stuff everything written in the bible into the past as a total mess.
As far as "not being able to handle" preterism or amillenialism... I don't even know what that means. I personally have no eschatological preference (yet), but preterism seems to be the most unlikely (and the most boring), followed by amillenialism. You're going to have a hard time convincing people that a child feeding their pet lions and bears straw has some "spiritual interpretation" that points to something going on right now. The preterist/amil idea that satan is currently bound from deceiving the nations... did that start at 70 AD too? Come on... the spirit of anti-christ is clearly at work, look around! Or is that just Satan deceiving everyone into thinking the spirit of anti-christ is still around? Oh, right! That's not possible because Satan is bound from deceiving the nations. I just see anything trying to stuff everything written in the bible into the past as a total mess.
-
2
- Show all
New heavenly Jerusalem cannot be right now for Jesus fights the world and defeats them before the New Jerusalem is occupied by angels and people.
God said that He will create a new heaven and earth and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind which Jesus said He goes away to create a new place for the saints that where He is they will be at also so it is not this earth that is the heavenly New Jerusalem.
Also since the former shall not be remembered or come to mind then this cannot be the New Jerusalem for we know of this earth.
The reason the former shall not be remembered or come to mind is because it is associated with sin and rebellion which the New Jerusalem is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be.
Which all sin must be purged with fire which the earth has been tainted with sin which is why the Bible says the earth shall melt with fervent heat and dissolve.
Which hell is in the lower parts of the earth and the Bible says hell shall be cast in to the lake of fire.
God said that He will create a new heaven and earth and the former shall not be remembered or come to mind which Jesus said He goes away to create a new place for the saints that where He is they will be at also so it is not this earth that is the heavenly New Jerusalem.
Also since the former shall not be remembered or come to mind then this cannot be the New Jerusalem for we know of this earth.
The reason the former shall not be remembered or come to mind is because it is associated with sin and rebellion which the New Jerusalem is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be.
Which all sin must be purged with fire which the earth has been tainted with sin which is why the Bible says the earth shall melt with fervent heat and dissolve.
Which hell is in the lower parts of the earth and the Bible says hell shall be cast in to the lake of fire.
-
2
-
1
-
1
- Show all
Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom,
and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth;
saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob,
saith the LORD.
(Amos 9:8)
you don't have a Zechariah 12 if God has utterly forsaken His people. if God is not faithful to Jacob, neither can He be trusted to be faithful to us, who are of Gentiles.
pray for Israel
-
1
- Show all
#4770396 , @SomeDisciple
when people focus too much on the future they can forget about the here and now (very important). imagine a Christianity without a future -- hope -- only a now kind of -- hope.
and a hoping that tommorow or today will become the -- now, if yesterday wasn't like the Kingdom. tommorrow -- with enough faith.
when people focus too much on the future they can forget about the here and now (very important). imagine a Christianity without a future -- hope -- only a now kind of -- hope.
and a hoping that tommorow or today will become the -- now, if yesterday wasn't like the Kingdom. tommorrow -- with enough faith.
Jacob was called Israel before the Law.
God has graciously made us partakers with Him, who were formerly outside -- in doing so He has fulfilled what He said, that He will make her jealous by a people who were not a people. if she ceased to exist, who is He making jealous?
we should pray for Israel, not despise her.
the commandment is to love as we have been loved - we were aliens and haters of God, yet He showed us His kindness and grace. we were His enemies, full of iniquity and ignorance, when He loved us. what then is the commandment?
God has graciously made us partakers with Him, who were formerly outside -- in doing so He has fulfilled what He said, that He will make her jealous by a people who were not a people. if she ceased to exist, who is He making jealous?
we should pray for Israel, not despise her.
the commandment is to love as we have been loved - we were aliens and haters of God, yet He showed us His kindness and grace. we were His enemies, full of iniquity and ignorance, when He loved us. what then is the commandment?
-
3
-
1
- Show all
Can I speak with you, brother regarding the issue of the kingdom here and now - as you have expressed its meaning and why you therefore refuse what you call premillennialism and dispensationalism.
So here is a start if you would like to take me up. I could even learn something myself.
Isaiah 6:9-12 would be my starting point. And Matthew 13:13-35 will be my meaning. So then having established a meaning of the kingdom of heaven, at the time of the Lord in Judea, if you can agree, we can then go on to its boundary and its character today.
Also, I would disclose that the issue is precisely a prophetic one. So perhaps we could precede Isaiah and make John 21:20-22 our prophetic anchor along with Isaiah 6:9-13 as our physical anchor.
Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” John 21:20-22
He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.’ “Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed.” Then I said, “Lord, how long?” And He answered, “Until cities are devastated and without inhabitant, Houses are without people And the land is utterly desolate, “The Lord has removed men far away, And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land. “Yet there will be a tenth portion in it, And it will again be subject to burning, Like a terebinth or an oak Whose stump remains when it is felled. The holy seed is its stump.” Isaiah 6:9-13
You will also have to read Matthew 13:13-35
So here is a start if you would like to take me up. I could even learn something myself.
Isaiah 6:9-12 would be my starting point. And Matthew 13:13-35 will be my meaning. So then having established a meaning of the kingdom of heaven, at the time of the Lord in Judea, if you can agree, we can then go on to its boundary and its character today.
Also, I would disclose that the issue is precisely a prophetic one. So perhaps we could precede Isaiah and make John 21:20-22 our prophetic anchor along with Isaiah 6:9-13 as our physical anchor.
Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” John 21:20-22
He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.’ “Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed.” Then I said, “Lord, how long?” And He answered, “Until cities are devastated and without inhabitant, Houses are without people And the land is utterly desolate, “The Lord has removed men far away, And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land. “Yet there will be a tenth portion in it, And it will again be subject to burning, Like a terebinth or an oak Whose stump remains when it is felled. The holy seed is its stump.” Isaiah 6:9-13
You will also have to read Matthew 13:13-35
-
1
- Show all
Did you read the first post? https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...alism-doesnt-have-a-view.204038/#post-4770275
Do you understand that if Jews are not a thing after 70 A.D., then Premillennialism doesn't work at all?
Do you understand that if Jews are not a thing after 70 A.D., then Premillennialism doesn't work at all?