Jesus Afraid?

Webers.Home · Feb 6, 2022

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• Matt 26:42 . . He went away a second time and prayed: My Father, if it is
not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be
done.

Jesus must've been really dreading the ordeal that he was facing because he
prayed like that three times.

During the incident, an angel showed up.

• Luke 22:43 . . Now an angel from heaven appeared to him, strengthening
Him.

I've been curious for some time now to know exactly what that angel did to
strengthen Jesus. Did it bring him some water, or a bite of high energy food?
Possibly.

This next verse gave me a hint.

• Luke 22:44 . . And being in agony, he was praying very fervently; and his
sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.

The Greek word translated "agony" basically refers not to pain, but to
struggle.

Well; I may be wrong about this but I suspect Jesus was right on the edge of
panic, and thinking seriously about bolting for the door-- so to speak --when
his Father sent that angel to calm him down because oftentimes when
people are in a high state of anxiety; they can't think straight. (cf. Matt
4:11)3
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BonnieClaire · Feb 6, 2022

As excruciatingly painful as dying on the cross is for any man, Jesus also had to bare our sins in his own body...

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. ~KJV

A formidable task that only Jesus could accomplish

SimpleSheep · Feb 6, 2022

Very interesting...thank you for sharing. These verses make me want to cry. I can't imagine how anxious He was feeling. And I'm already a naturally anxious person as it is...but to have to do something like this...

Oblio · Feb 6, 2022

Look what they did to Him. He took it for us. I'm still so unlike Him.

Pilgrimshope · Feb 6, 2022

Webers.Home said:

Great post !!!

it shows us his humanity and his flesh in moments of stress it shows us that Jesus really did become one of us and didn’t just coast through his life like a robot but had emotions , feelings , felt pressure and anxiety and everything like we do but the difference is he overcame all that and gave his life in the face of all that agonizing pressure for us he’s really our hero and it wasn’t easy for him he overcame a struggle with the world

“But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

2ndTimothyGroup · Feb 6, 2022

Christ on the Cross is the fulfillment of God’s Eternal Plan:

Ephesians 3:11 NLT – “This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Therefore, did Jesus have a choice but to follow the Eternal Plan? Or, is the Eternal Plan just “up for grabs”?

John 6:38 NLT – “For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will.”

Thus when it came time for this tragic moment of Christ, Jesus was compelled by the Will, or Force, of God.

High Energy Food? Maybe . . . how about Spiritual Food:

John 4:34 NLT – “Then Jesus explained: "My nourishment comes from doing the will of God, who sent me, and from finishing his work.”

Perhaps this Holy Angel came along and issued Jesus some of this Nourishment that equates to the Force, or Will of God. Below, Jesus says it Himself that He does nothing on His own, but by the Will, or Force, of His Father.

John 5:30 NLT – “I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will.”

Artios1 · Feb 6, 2022

One of the purposes of praying three times...I believe... has to do with the biblical term constraint.

If someone were to ask you to dinner or something similar ….the first two times you would not accept, the third time they ask, you would or would not…. that is what constraint means.

I believe that is why He prayed three times. Asking the Father if there was any other way….Knowing what was to befall him. The thought of being beat beyond recognition as a man, tortured for almost 40 hours then crucified, would definitely weigh on you. …

I can’t speak as to the condition of His thoughts… but I believe he was as focused as any time throughout His ministry…. I don’t believe he was on the edge of panic.
I have walked into conditions several times where I didn’t know if survival was possible…nothing like what Jesus was facing, have the knowledge of what was going to happen to him.... But every time before those situations... I am more focused and clear headed as ever…

Webers.Home · Feb 7, 2022

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• 1John 4:18 . . There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear,
because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made
perfect in love.

That verse is sometimes utilized to prove that seeing as how Jesus was a
sinless man, therefore he was fearless. But that passage has nothing to do
with ordinary fear; it's about fear related to one's future existence in the
afterlife.

• 1John 4:16-18 . . God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God
in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have
confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him.

There are denominations-- e.g. Roman Catholic and Seventh Day Adventist
--whose adherents are unsure of their future in the afterlife. They're hoping
for the best whilst in the backs of their minds dreading the worst; which
indicates to me that their association with God is not on the best of terms.
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studentoftheword · Feb 7, 2022

Jesus prayed 3 Times in the Garden of Gethsemane ---this number is important because numbers in Scripture mean something -----the Number 3 is the first number of perfection or completeness -----7 is also other numbers that signify perfection or completeness -----

https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/3.html

Biblical Meaning of Numbers
0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8
9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 17
19 - 20 - 21 - 30 - 33 - 40 - 111
222 - 333 - 444 - 555 - 777 - More!

Webers.Home · Feb 7, 2022

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Though Jesus may, or may not, have known all the details pertaining to
what was in store for him, the prophet Isaiah gave him at least a hint of
what to expect.

• Isa 52:14-15 . . there were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred
beyond human likeness --thus will he sprinkle many nations

The Romans whipped the Lord to within an inch of his life, slapped him
around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his hands and his
feet. But that was child's play compared to what God did. By the time those
hours of darkness around the cross lifted; the Lord's own mother would have
trouble recognizing him.

Though it's said that Christ was led to his death without protest (Isa 53:7)
according to the 22nd Psalm, Jesus did what any man would do when
undergoing severe abuse: he yelled at the top of his lungs with the strength
and volume of a roaring lion.

• Luke 23:48 . .When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight
saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away.

Yes, of course they beat their breasts; and I suspect it was not only because
of the earthquake and the darkness, but also because they were having
trouble catching their breath. The extent of the Lord's injuries were so
horrific that they could scarcely tell he was the same man.

• Isa 53:5-6 . . But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for
our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by
his wounds we are healed.

. . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own
way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
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Journeyman · Feb 7, 2022

Webers.Home said:

Well; I may be wrong about this but I suspect Jesus was right on the edge of panic, and thinking seriously about bolting for the door-- so to speak [/QUOTE]Yes dear friend, your suspicion is completely wrong. Our Lord had no fear of man. His struggle was the fight against the temptation to kill his attackers.

posthuman · Feb 8, 2022

He was neither fearful nor unbelieving.
it is over us He agonized, not Himself.
He endured the cross for the joy set before Him, not dread

Gideon300 · Feb 8, 2022

Webers.Home said:

No. Lord Jesus in His humanity had a human response to the prospect of the cross. I know what sweating blood is - I did just that when I was ill with pancreatitis. Lord Jesus was also God. In His divinity He overcame the trial. Hebrews tells us that it was the shame of the kind of death that troubled the Lord Jesus (12:2). Yet He scorned the shame. He knew what was coming after the cross and it was joy!

Lord Jesus did not have the sinful nature that everyone else inherits from Adam. He was tempted as we are, but without sin. There was never any risk of Lord Jesus fleeing the ordeal that was before Him.

Gideon300 · Feb 8, 2022

Artios1 said:

One of the purposes of praying three times...I believe... has to do with the biblical term constraint.

If someone were to ask you to dinner or something similar ….the first two times you would not accept, the third time they ask, you would or would not…. that is what constraint means.

I believe that is why He prayed three times. Asking the Father if there was any other way….Knowing what was to befall him. The thought of being beat beyond recognition as a man, tortured for almost 40 hours then crucified, would definitely weigh on you. …

I can’t speak as to the condition of His thoughts… but I believe he was as focused as any time throughout His ministry…. I don’t believe he was on the edge of panic.
I have walked into conditions several times where I didn’t know if survival was possible…nothing like what Jesus was facing, have the knowledge of what was going to happen to him.... But every time before those situations... I am more focused and clear headed as ever…

Yes. I was desperately ill with pancreatitis. It is a miserable condition and extremely painful. I sweated blood from my back. Yet all the time I had an underlying peace. If that was true for me, how much more for Lord Jesus?

Webers.Home · Feb 8, 2022

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Most Christians will readily attest that Christ was fully God and fully Man,
while in reality they only believe he was a divine hominid rather than a bona
fide h.sapiens biologically related to Adam via David and Abraham.

Jesus was on track to become a high priest. Well; the letter to Hebrews says
that priests are chosen from among men because it's essential that they be
able to relate to the men they represent.

A divine hominid would likely have much in common with divine beings, but
certainly not all that much in common with human beings, viz: a divine
hominid for our priest would be like a bunny rabbit representing honey bees. It
just wouldn't work because the differences in the respective natures of those
two species makes it impossible for them to relate to each other.

When folks begin tampering with Christ's human characteristics in an effort
to polish him up by removing things about him that fail to exemplify their
concept of a perfect man-- e.g. fear, worry, anger, desire, loneliness, and
hatred, etc --they mimic plastic surgeons rearranging people's faces to make
their appearance more pleasing.
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Journeyman · Feb 8, 2022

Webers.Home said:

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Most Christians will readily attest that Christ was fully God and fully Man,
while in reality they only believe he was a divine hominid rather than a bona
fide h.sapiens biologically related to Adam via David and Abraham.

Jesus was on track to become a high priest. Well; the letter to Hebrews says
that priests are chosen from among men because it's essential that they be
able to relate to the men they represent.

A divine hominid would likely have much in common with divine beings, but
certainly not all that much in common with human beings, viz: a divine
hominid for our priest would be like a bunny rabbit representing honey bees. It
just wouldn't work because the differences in the respective natures of those
two species makes it impossible for them to relate to each other.

When folks begin tampering with Christ's human characteristics in an effort
to polish him up by removing things about him that fail to exemplify their
concept of a perfect man-- e.g. fear, worry, anger, desire, loneliness, and
hatred, etc --they mimic plastic surgeons rearranging people's faces to make
their appearance more pleasing.
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The part that gets left out is that Jesus is one with his Father.

Webers.Home · Feb 9, 2022

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• Heb 5:5-10 . . Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest,
but He who said to him: You are My son; today I have begotten you-- just
as He says also in another passage: You are a priest forever according to the
order of Melchizedek.

. . . In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications
with loud crying and tears to the one able to save him from death, and he
was heard because of his piety.

. . . Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things which he
suffered. And having been made perfect, he became to all those who obey
him the source of eternal salvation, being designated by God as a high priest
according to the order of Melchizedek.

That passage is sometimes construed to suggest that Jesus came into this
world an imperfect man and needed his rough edges smoothed off. No; it
means that until he underwent the many slings and arrows of outrageous
misfortune that plague us all, he was unsuitable for the priesthood.

And he was already pious, but Jesus didn't know by personal experience
what it's like to comply with God's requirements as an h.sapiens in a world
gone mad with evil till he gave it a try himself.

Great Spirit: grant that I may not criticize my neighbor
Until I have walked a mile in his moccasins.
Native American Proverb
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Journeyman · Feb 9, 2022

Actually, being a priest according to Melchizedek's' order means our Savior was always suitable to be High Priest, before, during and after he was born on earth. The point of Jesus "learning" and "being made perfect" is only for the benefit of example.

Webers.Home · Feb 9, 2022

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When I joined the US Army back in 1961, the government gave me a
written test, and put me through a rigorous physical exam, to make sure I
had enough potential to become a soldier. But it wasn't until I successfully
completed boot camp that I went from being a potential soldier to being a
competent soldier.

Before coming into the world as a human being, the WORD lived a life of
luxury, power, and privilege; thoroughly insulated from hardship,
disappointment, anxiety, fear, danger, illness, aging, injury, fatigue, thirst,
stress, hunger, despair, sadness, loneliness, loss, grief, heartbreak,
shunning, ridicule, rejection, harsh criticism, abuse, demeaning comments,
betrayal, poverty, etc. all the really disagreeable stuff that at times make life
definitely not worth the living.

As I was before boot camp; the WORD was born into human life with the
potential to become a high priest, but it wasn't until he successfully
completed thirty plus years of the slings and arrows of outrageous
misfortune common to all men that he became a competent high priest.

In other words: those years of rubbing shoulders and sharing experiences
with the human race were the WORD's boot camp. By the time he was all
done and recalled back home to be with his Father, he was fully prepared to
go to work as a high priest.

• Heb 4:15 . . This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he
faced all of the same trials we do.

NOTE: In my opinion, there are far too many Christians out there preferring a
bullet-proof Jesus that nobody can relate to instead of a Jesus that's been
thru the mill and got himself all dented and scratched up same as they have.
The distressing part of it all is that they have been very effective with their
sophistry that has but one purpose; and that's to de-humanize him.

The danger is: When a rumor is repeated often enough, loudly enough, and by
people respected enough; in time the rumor becomes accepted as truth by the
masses without thought or question.
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cdan2 · Feb 9, 2022

Webers.Home said:

Agree.

The medical term for sweating blood is "Hemitridoses." Jesus was fully man and fully God, true. But being a man he felt all the emotions and temptations we did. Yes, I believe He feared what was coming. He also would have experienced temptation, and I'm sure it occurred to Him He could run. Where He was praying was on the way to Bethany, which was just over the hilltop close to the garden where He prayed. From there straight into the wilderness, across the Rift and into the Decapolis region where He couldn't be touched by Herod or the Jewish leaders. But as fully God I do not thing He entertained that idea for a moment. Not because He couldn't have done it- He would have had free will just like us. But because His love for us was a Godly love. He knew fear, but it couldn't overcome the kind of love that endures whatever hardship for another.

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