Is the demon allowed by God to oppress the christian in this scripture 1 peter 5:8

[de-emerald]

1 peter 5:8

8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.


10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.

Firstly let me be clear to the study and anyone answering the poll question. on people who are becoming sceptable and seperating permission and authority. The two can not be seperated in this matter because what im really asking is, has the demon been given permission to oppress the christian in the above scripture. If your believe the demon has, Then you also have to believe the demon has also been granted authority.

Also a message to @Gardenias @JStates we have got off to a wrong foot and i welcome you back to take part. please accept my invitation to start a fresh.

A message for all please bare in mind this matter can revoke a responce from a demon which could decieve your answer. I advice all taking part take there thoughts captive and challenge them and listen to them.


For my study and for anyone else taking part and now making it there study also. i have decided to go through each of the many many scriptures one by one at a time.

I would also like to point out that there are better topics study in the bible, to which i can only advice there you must also get to know your enemy.

May i also advice if for some reason a sceptable thought may question this line of studying please bare in the mind the has clear evidence to suggest evil spirits are portraying the wrong God.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

has the demon been given permission to oppress the christian in the above scripture. If you believe the demon has, Then you also have to believe the demon has also been granted authority.

No. I do not believe that the presentation offered is accurate. Here's why:

No doubt, 1 Pet 05:08 is a challenging set of Scripture to what I believe, which is that Satan is conquered in the life of every True Believer.

Colossians 2:13-15 NLT – “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.”

Luke 10:17-18 KJV – “And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

Considering the following Statement from Christ regarding Peter:

Matthew 16:23 NKJV – “But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Now, let’s compare this to 1 Pet 5:08 below:

1 Peter 5:8-9 ESV – “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.”

We all know that Peter was not literally Satan . . . that is obvious. Therefore, what if . . . just consider . . . what [if] Peter is not actually speaking of Satan, but of false teachers? Paul speaks of these false teachers below:

1 John 4:1 NKJV – “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

Wouldn’t this seem more reasonable to believe that this is what Peter was referring to? Or, do we think that the Devil was running around with a pitchfork looking for people to kill, cook, and eat?

Doesn’t it seem more rational to believe that the false teachers were, in essence, Satan masquerading himself as a beacon of light, thus we ought to resist them?

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 NIV – “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.”

In conclusion, we are not being directly attacked by Satan, but we are being attacked by men and women within the world whose Father remains to be as Satan.

John 8:44 ESV – “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

 

[de-emerald]

No. I do not believe that the presentation offered is accurate. Here's why:

No doubt, 1 Pet 05:08 is a challenging set of Scripture to what I believe, which is that Satan is conquered in the life of every True Believer.

Colossians 2:13-15 NLT – “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.”

Luke 10:17-18 KJV – “And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

Considering the following Statement from Christ regarding Peter:

Matthew 16:23 NKJV – “But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Now, let’s compare this to 1 Pet 5:08 below:

1 Peter 5:8-9 ESV – “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.”

We all know that Peter was not literally Satan . . . that is obvious. Therefore, what if . . . just consider . . . what [if] Peter is not actually speaking of Satan, but of false teachers? Paul speaks of these false teachers below:

1 John 4:1 NKJV – “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

Wouldn’t this seem more reasonable to believe that this is what Peter was referring to? Or, do we think that the Devil was running around with a pitchfork looking for people to kill, cook, and eat?

Doesn’t it seem more rational to believe that the false teachers were, in essence, Satan masquerading himself as a beacon of light, thus we ought to resist them?

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 NIV – “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.”

In conclusion, we are not being directly attacked by Satan, but we are being attacked by men and women within the world whose Father remains to be as Satan.

John 8:44 ESV – “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Your right to believe the enemy can take up the appearance as a false teacher in many ways, but do you know how the enemy can take up the appearance of a false teacher in many ways ?.

Your also right to believe that our adavasary may not appear as a devouring devil or blood thirsty lion and could appear as peter as it did to Jesus . (but why did our enemy that blood thirsty enemy appear as peter to Jesus ???, do you know why and how your advasary managed to do that to appear as peter to Jesus, but do you know what else our blood thirsty devil lions are blood thirsty for ?.

 

[de-emerald]

Just 1 more question, regaurdin the 77 who returned saying lord the demons flee in your name. well actually a few questions for you

Do you have any idea what the daily training procedure was for those 77 priests,

Have you ever wondered if they went through a similar training process as th 3000 priests that resided in king solomons temple.

May i also ask because of the daily training program the 77 priests had, was this was one of the reason they could get demons to flee with the help of Jesus that is, and also the reason they could
identify there was demons present.

may i also ask do you know how a priest would be able to see a demon flee.

May i also ask would a priest have more than one way to identfy a demon is present.

may i ask why is there not much talk theese day of people saying they have seen evil spirits flee.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

do you know how the enemy can take up the appearance of a false teacher in many ways?

I'll offer my ideas, but I think that you're going to go a bit deeper than myself, so I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I think it's pretty simple, though, which is that from birth, a person's Spiritual Father [IS] already the Devil, thus we will do the will of Satan.

2 Timothy 2:26 NLT - "Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil's trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants."

" (but why did our enemy that blood-thirsty enemy appear as Peter to Jesus?"

I believe that Jesus was merely equating Peter to Jesus because . . . unbeknownst to Peter, he, Peter, would have been thwarting the Eternal Plan of God by stopping the torturous and murderous process. In no way was Peter evil; for he tried to protect the Life of Christ.

Ephesians 3:11 NLT - This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."

do you know what else our blood-thirsty devil lions are blood thirsty for?

Do tell. I have no idea of what you're thinking, here.

Do you have any idea what the daily training procedure was for those 77 priests

No. The Bible doesn't tell us.

Have you ever wondered if they went through a similar training process as the 3000 priests that resided in king Solomon's temple.

I have not, no.

May I also ask because of the daily training program the 77 priests had, was this was one of the reasons they could get demons to flee with the help of Jesus that is, and also the reason they could
identify there were demons present.

I think that you're presuming a lot, here. I would say, however, that Christ had imputed His ability to redeem His Fathers Chosen elect of the Curse of the Lord. Being relieved of the Curse is how one is Redeemed by Christ. The Devil cannot be defeated unless the Veil is lifted, or, the Curse is cut away from a person's heart, so to speak.

may I also ask do you know how a priest would be able to see a demon flee.

I've never thought about it. But in this case, it was Christ who uses the phrase that He saw Satan falling from the sky like lightning. That is just a use of words to express an idea.

May I also ask would a priest have more than one way to identify a demon is present.

I would imagine so. I have discovered all kinds of ways to "test the spirits that are within others" . . .

may I ask why is there not much talk these days of people saying they have seen evil spirits flee.

I would say that the answer, here, is that today's modern-day "christian" is equivalent to yesterday's Pharisees, Sadducees, and teachers of the law who think they have sight, but are really blind.

John 9:39-41 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see."

 

[de-emerald]

I'll offer my ideas, but I think that you're going to go a bit deeper than myself, so I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I think it's pretty simple, though, which is that from birth, a person's Spiritual Father [IS] already the Devil, thus we will do the will of Satan.

2 Timothy 2:26 NLT - "Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil's trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants."

" (but why did our enemy that blood-thirsty enemy appear as Peter to Jesus?"

I believe that Jesus was merely equating Peter to Jesus because . . . unbeknownst to Peter, he, Peter, would have been thwarting the Eternal Plan of God by stopping the torturous and murderous process. In no way was Peter evil; for he tried to protect the Life of Christ.

Ephesians 3:11 NLT - This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."



Do tell. I have no idea of what you're thinking, here.



No. The Bible doesn't tell us.



I have not, no.



I think that you're presuming a lot, here. I would say, however, that Christ had imputed His ability to redeem His Fathers Chosen elect of the Curse of the Lord. Being relieved of the Curse is how one is Redeemed by Christ. The Devil cannot be defeated unless the Veil is lifted, or, the Curse is cut away from a person's heart, so to speak.



I've never thought about it. But in this case, it was Christ who uses the phrase that He saw Satan falling from the sky like lightning. That is just a use of words to express an idea.



I would imagine so. I have discovered all kinds of ways to "test the spirits that are within others" . . .



I would say that the answer, here, is that today's modern-day "christian" is equivalent to yesterday's Pharisees, Sadducees, and teachers of the law who think they have sight, but are really blind.

John 9:39-41 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see."

you have much to learn, ,. By your own admission in your first post you said Peter was not a devil but Jesus called peter Satan. Again I will ask you why did Jesus call peter Satan.

It is written Jesus called Peter Satan.

The reason why the answer is passing you by, is yourself along with many many other Christians do not know your own enemy that your instructed to get to know.

The answer is it was not Peter who Jesus was talking to it was Satan in disguise, who had took up the appearance of Peter. I will help you with your other questions soon, bye bye gby

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

you have much to learn

Ok

By your own admission in your first post you said Peter was not a devil but Jesus called peter Satan. Again I will ask you why did Jesus call peter Satan.

My answer is the same. Peter was not Satan.

yourself along with many many other Christians do not know your own enemy that your instructed to get to know.

I have felt the Terror of the Lord. I've had one foot in hell and it nearly killed me. I know the enemy much better than most.

The answer is it was not Peter who Jesus was talking to it was Satan in disguise

I hear you, but that makes no sense whatsoever. You're teaching us that Satan was protecting and defending Christ? Satan lopped off the ear of one who was arresting Jesus.

Mark 3:23 NLT - "Jesus called them over and responded with an illustration. "How can Satan cast out Satan?" he asked."

Are you SURE that [I'm] the one who has much to learn? I'm sorry, but you're teachings don't seem right at all (in this case).

And I'm guessing that this is where we'll stop this conversation, and why? Because I don't think that you're going to address the clear Scripture that I've offered. Few, here, ever do. All "chiefs" and no "Indians."

 

[de-emerald]

This is called a study,

Ok



My answer is the same. Peter was not Satan.



I have felt the Terror of the Lord. I've had one foot in hell and it nearly killed me. I know the enemy much better than most.



I hear you, but that makes no sense whatsoever. You're teaching us that Satan was protecting and defending Christ? Satan lopped off the ear of one who was arresting Jesus.

Mark 3:23 NLT - "Jesus called them over and responded with an illustration. "How can Satan cast out Satan?" he asked."

Are you SURE that [I'm] the one who has much to learn? I'm sorry, but you're teachings don't seem right at all (in this case).

And I'm guessing that this is where we'll stop this conversation, and why? Because I don't think that you're going to address the clear Scripture that I've offered. Few, here, ever do. All "chiefs" and no "Indians."

gby, I said in my last post I wold answer your questions soon, and your new questions here soon. Bye for now.

In the mean time can I suggest you don't try to think I am against you.

Also may I recommend you take into account that Satan can appear as a defender as well as a attacker it called playing the good angel bad angel.

Bye for now 🙂 gby hope to chat soon and study more of which you have questioned with some good insight you posted to, and hopefully we can start a study soon. 👍😂

 

[Dino246]

Firstly let me be clear to the study and anyone answering the poll question. on people who are becoming sceptable and seperating permission and authority.

"Sceptable" is not a word in the English language. Perhaps you mean "skeptical"?

"Separating" has one 'e' and two 'a's. It is not difficult to learn how to spell these words correctly.

I would also like to point out that there are better topics study in the bible, to which i can only advice there you must also get to know your enemy.

"Advice" is a noun. "Advise" is a verb.

Finally, to your title question, "Is the demon allowed by God...", the answer is "No" because this verse is talking about the devil, not demons.

 

[de-emerald]

@Dino246 Skeptical there you go, im using android half the time that predicts. i have spent a long time studying your questions, are you going to take part or not ?.

a demon is a denomic spirit, a devil is a denomic spirit, a fallen angel is a denomic spirit, an evil spirit is a denomic spirit.


all denomic spirits have worked for the power of death once held by satan and maybe still held by satan to some fashion, and no doubt all denomic spirits can use the power of death, which means they all have something in common and work for the prince of darkenss.

once again do you wish to take part.

ill ask you the question again how did satan come to hold the power of death in the first place.

 

[de-emerald]

The question again @Dino246 is the denomic spirit in 1 peter 5:8 in your oppinion given permission by God to attack the christian.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The question again @Dino246 is the demonic spirit in 1 peter 5:8 in your opinion given permission by God to attack the Christian.

Jesus [did] say that Satan asked to sift Peter. The question is, had Peter's heart been relieved of the Curse of the Lord at this point? I doubt it, as after Jesus had raised Himself from the dead, that's when the disciples began to "finally believe." If this is true, and I could certainly be wrong, Satan could have gone after Peter. But how? Scripture doesn't tell us other than Peter's heart was hardened. But it is the Lord who hardens hearts; not Satan.

Luke 22:31 NKJV - "And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat."

John 16:31 NLT - 31 Jesus asked, "Do you finally believe?

 

[Dino246]

The question again @Dino246 is the denomic spirit in 1 peter 5:8 in your oppinion given permission by God to attack the christian.

There is no 'demonic spirit' in 1 Peter 5:8.

Get your terminology right, and proofread your posts. I get tired of wading through your lazy spelling.

 

[Dino246]

@Dino246 Skeptical there you go, im using android half the time that predicts.

There's the problem; you are allowing a machine to think for you.

i have spent a long time studying your questions, are you going to take part or not ?.

I am taking part. I'm telling you that you are misreading the Scripture.

a demon is a denomic spirit, a devil is a denomic spirit, a fallen angel is a denomic spirit, an evil spirit is a denomic spirit.

That's not supported by Scripture... and the word is deMoNic. How hard is it to spell one key word correctly?

 

[de-emerald]

@Dino246 you have still not answered my question

 

[Dino246]

@Dino246 you have still not answered my question

I have responded appropriately to your question. As there is no demonic spirit in 1 Peter 5:8, it is not possible to answer any questions about the demonic spirit in 1 Peter 5:8.

 

[de-emerald]

I have responded appropriately to your question. As there is no demonic spirit in 1 Peter 5:8, it is not possible to answer any questions about the demonic spirit in 1 Peter 5:8.

befor you said you could not answer the question because a devil is not a demon.

now your saying there is no, mention of a denomic spirit in 1 peter 5:8 and so there your saying satan is not a denomic spirit.

what type of spirit is the devil to you ?. and how can that devil make more than one christian suffer all over the world at the same time.

is there more than one devil, many devils, or is the word devil in your oppionion only refering to satan only in 1 peter 5:8.

I do not have any idea how you think, so do you think you could be considerate and explain how you think for once. Because all you seem to do is question how i think, with no explanation of your own thinking.

 

[de-emerald]

Jesus [did] say that Satan asked to sift Peter. The question is, had Peter's heart been relieved of the Curse of the Lord at this point? I doubt it, as after Jesus had raised Himself from the dead, that's when the disciples began to "finally believe." If this is true, and I could certainly be wrong, Satan could have gone after Peter. But how? Scripture doesn't tell us other than Peter's heart was hardened. But it is the Lord who hardens hearts; not Satan.

Luke 22:31 NKJV - "And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat."

John 16:31 NLT - 31 Jesus asked, "Do you finally believe?

your explantion is a valid point, but only for those people who consistently use the term get a way from me Satan but cant see satan,

I know That Jesus would have been able to see Satan and know exactly who Satan was.

we also have to take into account that mathew 16:23 is a scribes witness report that may not have identified the situation very well. so basically Jesus knew it was satan in disguise but the witness scribe never.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I know That Jesus would have been able to see Satan and know exactly who Satan was.

Sir. Peter was not Satan. I already know that you don't feel solid about these arguments that you're presenting. There's no way that you totally believe them.

Look . . . here's the deal. Just before the "get away from me Satan" comment by Christ, Peter said:

Luke 22:33 NLT - "Peter said, "Lord, I am ready to go to prison with you, and even to die with you."

What you're saying is that from this point to the point of Peter lopping off the soldier's ear, Peter was taken over by Satan. I'm telling you right now that you KNOW in your heart that that is ridiculous.

Further, Peter didn't deny Christ until AFTER he was prepared to die with Christ, which he fully demonstrated by the use of the sword. If Peter had ever been over-taken by Satan, it would have been during his refusal to die with Christ. Peter was ready, willing, and acted upon his offer to die with Christ, and then after the "Get away from me Satan" comment, that's when he was no longer willing.

De-Emerald: I am asking that you seriously reconsider the demonization of Peter.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

And at the Passover table, Jesus said, there is a devil among us . . . not two.

You're asserting that there was essentially a second Judas, that being Peter. Nowhere in Scripture does it even remotely assert that two of Jesus's followers would be over-taken by the Devil.

John 6:70 NLT - "Then Jesus said, "I chose the twelve of you, but one is a devil."

John 13:26-27 NLT - "Jesus responded, "It is the one to whom I give the bread I dip in the bowl." And when he had dipped it, he gave it to Judas, son of Simon Iscariot. When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus told him, "Hurry and do what you're going to do."

Judas betrayed and Peter defended. Notice that Jesus told Peter to stop while He told Judah to hurry and do.