We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

[Blik]

Pittsburgh, do you not see that you are directly violating the warning that Paul himself gave in 11:17-24?

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.

Do not despise those to whom the Covenant was given, even if the majority remain in unbelief and hardness of heart today. Rather, gratitude, fear, and -- above all -- humility is what Scripture calls for, especially knowing that it is ONLY by God's grace that you stand where you are today.

We are given all we need to know to learn what reaction to the Jews we are to take today in Romans 11:24. Don't despise them, be grateful to them and humbly learn from them. Learn that grace comes from accepting Jesus and if we deny Christ, we lose our grace. Do not despise the Jews because they lost their grace in this way.

If you will read Romans 11:25 to 32 you find that it was the Lord who hardened the hearts of the Jews for our sakes. It is another reason to be grateful to them.

 

[Jocund]

You speak as though those of Jewish descent and Christians are necessarily mutually exclusive. They are not.

The true faith of the Jews is Christianity, led by Jesus Christ as its head priest. Those that call themselves "orthodox" Jews are apostates (or descendants of apostates) of the true faith. Those in Christ are the chosen, no one else. This is irrespective of race or gender.

"None come to the Father except through me"

We can speculate that there are many nonChristians that in their proper time will become Christian, much like Saul became Paul. But this is true of any nonChristian, not just those that count themselves among the modern nonChristian Judaic faiths.

Not all that call themselves Jews are Jews. Not all of Israel is Israel. You will know them by their fruits. The Talmud is the fruit of many modern forms of Judaism. It is an evil fruit filled with hatred and vile. It's no wonder so many that call themselves nonrelgious orthodox Jews have rejected faith and turned to atheism. It may be the case that by good conscience they have rejected the provisions set out by the false priesthood. Anyone that is to be saved will be saved. Anyone that is destined to become Christian will become Christian. This might be any percentage of the current human population (but necessarily less than half of the human population throughout history).

Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that any nonChristian has any spiritual authority or clout in the interpretation of anything. Without Christ we are all lost.

We may not be able to readily differentiate between the Sauls of the world and those destined for hellfire, so there is a level of love and humility that is due for anyone, even our enemies that may one day be friends. We put forward our compassion and kindness but should understand that not all that call themselves Jews will be saved. Not all that call themselves Christian will necessarily be saved, but those in Christ are the chosen people and heirs to the promise.

 

[Jocund]

We are given all we need to know to learn what reaction to the Jews we are to take today in Romans 11:24. Don't despise them, be grateful to them and humbly learn from them. Learn that grace comes from accepting Jesus and if we deny Christ, we lose our grace. Do not despise the Jews because they lost their grace in this way.

If you will read Romans 11:25 to 32 you find that it was the Lord who hardened the hearts of the Jews for our sakes. It is another reason to be grateful to them.

Grateful to God, not to them. None are good except God. In the same way that John the revelator was told not to bow to the angel, we should not idolize Jews in any way.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Scripture tells us we are chosen. 1 Peter 2: 8-9 "………They (Jews) stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for. 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy “

"Those who belong to Christ are God’s chosen people: “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise” (Galatians 3:26-29).

We are the new chosen people, but God has not rejected his people, they rejected God.

Romans 11:1-2 "I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?"

We are to condemn the rejection of Christ that many Jews have done, but we are not to judge the people who reject Christ—we are to feel sorry for them. The Lord still blesses them for being the people he chose to show the idol worshiping nations who he is and how he works. We are asked to bless them for doing this. That does not mean that we are not to judge their acts of denying Christ.

look at the testaments sister the Old Testament way is not acceptable now Judaism isn’t going to help us

the way for anyone jew or gentile to be chosen and saved is to convert to Jesus and get baptized that actually makes them children of abraham promise and hiers with Jesus

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Jews “ are a people defined by the old covenant given through Moses. They can all be saved if they repent and turn to the gospel. What makes a Jew is circumcision and adherence to Moses law. That cannot save anyone but it can make anyone a Jew

any Israelite who repents and turns to the gospel and believes will
Be saved just as any gentile who does that will be.

it isn’t about our earthly identity any more nothing of those thkngs matters black skin white skin , Jew , gentile , male female

none of that matters in the New Testament it only mattered under the law. For a Jew to be saved they need to do the same thing as a gentile

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

being born again means we’re now abrahams children and heirs of the promises God made to him

that’s what thre gospel is all about fulfilling the promise made to Abraham before The law of Moses ( defining Judaism ) ever came to be.

the Jews time of the law was a substitute until Christ came offering salvation to all People.

anyone who believes the gospel and gets baptized for remission is Gods chosen and blessed child

 

[Pilgrimshope]

See Jesus came first to save israel to the Jews but they rejected and crucified their savior at that point God sent out the gospel to anyone who would accept it and believe unlike the majority ofnisrael

we’re included because of thier rejection of Jesus now we’re all the same under Christ there is no Jew anymore no gentile anymore just Christians who are Christs disciples.

but first he came to Israel exclusively because they exclusively had the law which he was fulfilling thier promise of his coming

“Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how the covenant isn’t the one Moses made ? But the one God made with Abraham before the law came ?

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ came and fulfilled the promise of the messiah but they didn’t receive him
so he was sent to everyone

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he had chosen israel but they rejected him is the thing That happened to derail thier covenant when thier promise came they didn’t know him

 

[Jocund]

What makes a Jew is circumcision and adherence to Moses law. That cannot save anyone but it can make anyone a Jew

I think there is going to be disagreement on what it means to be a Jew.

Christ fulfils the law therefore under your definition every Christian is also a Jew. I don't necessarily disgree with that interpretation but it will be a stopping point in the progression of the conversation for many.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think there is going to be disagreement on what it means to be a Jew.

Christ fulfils the law therefore under your definition every Christian is also a Jew. I don't necessarily disgree with that interpretation but it will be a stopping point in the progression of the conversation for many.

"judaism is talmudism

it is the doctrine of the pharisees"

copy and past this url into your browser to be taken to the where he talks about it:

https://youtu.be/fVhVcsU6E-8?t=4354

around 1:12:30, give it like 5-10min to finish talking about it.

 

[Blik]

Grateful to God, not to them. None are good except God. In the same way that John the revelator was told not to bow to the angel, we should not idolize Jews in any way.

Posts about not despising Jews, of not hating them because they do not accept Christ, of being grateful to them because God uses them has nothing what so ever to do with idolizing them nor does it say they are good.

 

[Jocund]

"judaism is talmudism

it is the doctrine of the pharisees"

copy and past this url into your browser to be taken to the where he talks about it:

https://youtu.be/fVhVcsU6E-8?t=4354

around 1:12:30, give it like 5-10min to finish talking about it.

That would clearly be a Talmudic interpretation of what it means to be Jewish. Not all that call themselves Jews are necessarily Talmudic.

 

[Jocund]

Posts about not despising Jews, of not hating them because they do not accept Christ, of being grateful to them because God uses them has nothing what so ever to do with idolizing them nor does it say they are good.

Is it ever permissible to despise or hate anyone? We are told to love our enemy.

Why differentiate them from any other type of nonChristian?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Why is it so impossible to get people to watch 5min of video?

 

[Blik]

I think there is going to be disagreement on what it means to be a Jew.

Christ fulfils the law therefore under your definition every Christian is also a Jew. I don't necessarily disgree with that interpretation but it will be a stopping point in the progression of the conversation for many.

The Lord's truths are what we are all wanting to hear not worldly ideas to please flesh.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think there is going to be disagreement on what it means to be a Jew.

Christ fulfils the law therefore under your definition every Christian is also a Jew. I don't necessarily disgree with that interpretation but it will be a stopping point in the progression of the conversation for many.

uh no not at all my position is there is no such thing as a Jew or gentile in Christ

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s my position for those “in Christ “there’s no such thing as a Jew in Christ or a gentile but all who get baptized into Christ are abrahams spiritual children and heirs of his promise

But there’s also an earthly israel who was cursed by the law

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a false israel on earth born of the flesh and a real one in heaven born of the spirit . Judaism is based on Moses law ask any Jew thier entire existence is based on Moses law. And the thing is “gentile “ simply means any other nation on earth other than Israel.

it was a separatist law separating the Jew and thier converts from all other people on earth. When Jesus fulfilled the law the authenticity of Judaism ended also

Christians aren’t Jews ancient Israel are Jews and those who still adhere to the Jewish law of Moses. It’s basically their history we read in the ot the history of the nation ofnisrael

but in Christ everything is better and bigger instead of one nation he sent the gospel to all. Stinks Jew and gentile all people . When we believe the gospel and get baptized Jew and gentile is left behind in this world and our identity comes from Christ now

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is no Jew in Jesus nor any gentile in him there are just Christ and his disciples make , female , Jew , gentile home and everyone who’s willing to believe the gospel is abrahams seed and hiers according to his promise ( made before the Jews were seperated by the law )

the Jew was a bridge to the rest of the world and even today I’d someone rejects Christ d converts to Judaism they are still a Jew but again it’s different in Christ once you get baptized your earthly identity fades and this becomes who we are

“And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”


Jews were ot religion and also they would witness the gospel to the world in the Bible . Those few who received Jesus converted to Christianity that’s why they speak of the law and ot jews as they do

if anyone gets baptized and adheres to Moses commandments they’ve converted to Judaism and need to convert to Christianity

 

[Jocund]

The Lord's truths are what we are all wanting to hear not worldly ideas to please flesh.

Who are the Jews according to scripture? Who are God's chosen according to scripture? Who are the inheritors of the promise according to scripture?

The rabbinic concept of who counts as a Jew is a concept that should be discarded as a worldly idea to please the flesh.

 

[Blik]

Is it ever permissible to despise or hate anyone?

Why differentiate them from any other type of nonChristian?

If you haven't found what makes them different, please read all about it in scripture.

The problem so many have with that is to identify the individual and race from how he reflects God's principles. The reality is that it is all about the principles or doctrines of God.

 

[Jocund]

If you haven't found what makes them different, please read all about it in scripture.

The problem so many have with that is to identify the individual and race from how he reflects God's principles. The reality is that it is all about the principles or doctrines of God.

At your soonest convenience, please respond to post #34.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If you haven't found what makes them different, please read all about it in scripture.

The problem so many have with that is to identify the individual and race from how he reflects God's principles. The reality is that it is all about the principles or doctrines of God.

right the principles of the law makes Judaism the principles of the gospel makes children of God

“That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what promise ?

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but didn’t the law offer abrahams faith too ?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not Moses covenant that matters but the one made before Moses gave the law 430 years before he gave the law. Made with Abraham according to the promise of the gospel which would be preached by the seed of promise Jesus Christ

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law was added later because of the peoples transgression and idolatry but it was only going to last until that seed of promise came

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬

Christ came dear sister and has identified abrahams seed and promise to all nations and people on earth

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ot israel rejected Christ when he came that makes them illegitimate.

 

[pottersclay]

To say Jews are going to wake is the exact same thing as saying atheists will wake.

People that call themselves "Jews" are just as lost as atheists or any religion that ignores King JESUS being right now.

"Jews" are not to be hated, but they are not GOD'S People. "Jews" have tricked you into thinking there is something special about them and that they only need to be woken, they are claiming ownership of the Torah when it doesn't belong to them. You don't get to make your own rules about what constitutes an authentic "Jew". JESUS left them desolate on purpose. 70 A.D. is something that changed the world.

Dispensational Premills have fake Jews at the core of their view ...it means it isn't right.

What bible are you reading? Where did you get this lie from. You my friend need to get the truth.

 

[Jocund]

"judaism is talmudism

it is the doctrine of the pharisees"

copy and past this url into your browser to be taken to the where he talks about it:

https://youtu.be/fVhVcsU6E-8?t=4354

around 1:12:30, give it like 5-10min to finish talking about it.

Kudos for posting that video. Well worth the watch from that 1:12:30 mark all the way to the end.

The only point that seemed questionable was the concept that hybridization disqualifies one from being a biological descendant (perhaps I am misunderstanding or poorly paraphrasing his point in that regard?). It certainly disqualifies one from being a pureblooded descendant, but he goes further to say that the modern Ashkenazi Talmudites have not even a single drop of authetic Israelite blood or genuine traceable geneology. And that all of the saved Israelites converted to Christianity early on.

While I agree with the possibility that only living Christians have true Israelite bloodline/ancestry, I also have no way to test or confirm that claim. But I also have no way to test whether the opposite might be the case either. If a nonChristian claimed to have Israelite ancestry, I would be unable to know one way or the other if that were true or not. But it would be a moot point either way as the New Covenant tells us that ancestry does not matter, only whether one is in Christ or not.

Aside from that one point on the knowability of the absence or presence of ancestry (which I don't necessarily disagree with, I just wish the subject was fleshed out more) I think that video clip was top quality. Thank you again for sharing.

 

[Jocund]

What does Scripture say? (Romans 11:25-32)

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

You're missing the context from Romans 9 that not all of Israel are Israel.