OT Kingdom to The NT Kingdom
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New International Version
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
New Living Translation
Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
New Living Translation
Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
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right they have To part from Moses testament in order to see it though. It’s like hearing Gods word having our ears stopped up and seeing with a veil over our eyes .
For instance if we’re told this is Gods word and this becomes our law
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
(then this contrary thing is going to seem like heresy)
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
if God said eye for an eye stripe for stripe wound for wound …take equal revenge and I convince myself that’s what God is saying . Then when Jesus comes saying something different it makes me turn against him because he’s saying opposite things than the law says
it’s like a blindfold over thier eyes So that they look at Moses as if he’s above Jesus the mediator, or as if Moses words offered eternal life like Jesus did if we put our trust in this law
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 KJV
we’re going to miss what the law promised about the seed “till the seed should come to whom the promise was made” and also miss that the law lasted as the covenant only until Jesus came forth preaching the gospel the true witness of God
yes indeed Jews can be saved the same way as Christians but the thing is what makes a Jew according to the natural things ?
circumcision and strict adherence to Moses law is Judaism. In order for them to be saved like all men they have to part from the mosaic law and convert to the gospel so their sins can be remitted .
it actually is what makes an Israelite in Gods eyes getting baptized into the seed of Abraham Jesus , but in the world what makes a Jew is adherence to Moses law and circumcision obligating the person to it just as ancient Israel
“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”
Galatians 5:3 KJV
in the world that makes a Jew. Get circumcised and put all your trust in Moses law. Sort of many folks think “Jew “ is a race of people but it’s actually a religion that Gentiles can convert to through circumcision and adherence to Moses law
Judaism can’t save anyone but anyone can be saved by converting to Christianity gentile or Jew but with the r way one has to convert to the New Testament belief in order to be saved
For instance if we’re told this is Gods word and this becomes our law
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
(then this contrary thing is going to seem like heresy)
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
if God said eye for an eye stripe for stripe wound for wound …take equal revenge and I convince myself that’s what God is saying . Then when Jesus comes saying something different it makes me turn against him because he’s saying opposite things than the law says
it’s like a blindfold over thier eyes So that they look at Moses as if he’s above Jesus the mediator, or as if Moses words offered eternal life like Jesus did if we put our trust in this law
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 KJV
we’re going to miss what the law promised about the seed “till the seed should come to whom the promise was made” and also miss that the law lasted as the covenant only until Jesus came forth preaching the gospel the true witness of God
yes indeed Jews can be saved the same way as Christians but the thing is what makes a Jew according to the natural things ?
circumcision and strict adherence to Moses law is Judaism. In order for them to be saved like all men they have to part from the mosaic law and convert to the gospel so their sins can be remitted .
it actually is what makes an Israelite in Gods eyes getting baptized into the seed of Abraham Jesus , but in the world what makes a Jew is adherence to Moses law and circumcision obligating the person to it just as ancient Israel
“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”
Galatians 5:3 KJV
in the world that makes a Jew. Get circumcised and put all your trust in Moses law. Sort of many folks think “Jew “ is a race of people but it’s actually a religion that Gentiles can convert to through circumcision and adherence to Moses law
Judaism can’t save anyone but anyone can be saved by converting to Christianity gentile or Jew but with the r way one has to convert to the New Testament belief in order to be saved
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Are you saying current day "Jews" still get to dictate they are "Jews" just because they follow Moses? That's not how this works.
Check out this thread, if you haven't already https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ople-are-jews-no-longer-chosen-people.203983/
Check out this thread, if you haven't already https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ople-are-jews-no-longer-chosen-people.203983/
Brother that’s always been what defines Judaism you get circumcised and then you agree to obey the whole law of Moses . that’s what made a jew. Gentiles can convert to Judaism also they always have been able to .
I’m saying if anyone Israelite or gentile puts thier trust in Moses law and circumcision that makes them a jew according to this world.
But that shouldn’t be controversial it’s never changed . to be a jew you need to get circumcised in the manner of Moses and obey all the law in Moses book. This is true of a Hebrew or gentile convert.
those things don’t help anyone though of course it’s worthless now in Gods eyes to get circumcised and keep Moses law. Converting to Judaism isn’t of any worth because Gods true israel is born here
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27, 29 KJV
that’s the New Testament though a lot of people still think the Old Testament is the way to go so they convert to Judaism so yes I guess I am saying we choose whether we want to be a Jew or child of Abraham
anything you can convert to means you can choose
I’m saying if anyone Israelite or gentile puts thier trust in Moses law and circumcision that makes them a jew according to this world.
But that shouldn’t be controversial it’s never changed . to be a jew you need to get circumcised in the manner of Moses and obey all the law in Moses book. This is true of a Hebrew or gentile convert.
those things don’t help anyone though of course it’s worthless now in Gods eyes to get circumcised and keep Moses law. Converting to Judaism isn’t of any worth because Gods true israel is born here
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27, 29 KJV
that’s the New Testament though a lot of people still think the Old Testament is the way to go so they convert to Judaism so yes I guess I am saying we choose whether we want to be a Jew or child of Abraham
anything you can convert to means you can choose
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where do you get that from ?
“Jews “ are the people of Jerusalem. The nation of Israel was created by the law of Moses or rather the promise to Abram the Hebrew concerning his natural seed.
God chose Abram then promised Thy we land of Israel would be a nation for his descendants. Jews are Hebrew descendants or converts to Moses law.
Pharisees we’re a strict sect of Judaism , sadducees other doubting sect of Judaism. Pharisees we’re simply legalists who outwardly made Thy en selves look righteous but had a heart full of wickedness they didn’t create “Judaism “
the Jewish religion was created by the law of Moses and from the law came thier entrance into promised land. Jerusalem bekng thier capitol city. It wasn’t an invention of a sect but what happened was a conversion from the ot religion to the gospel of Jesus Christ
Look how a change happened
“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21-24
The law was in place until Christ came preached the gospel doed and rose . And those of the law according to this creation are Jews and are worshipping the religion we later called “Judaism “ to describe it as a religion of the Jews
The law created Judaism when he fulfilled it he gave us the truth to believe and worship by
“Jews “ are the people of Jerusalem. The nation of Israel was created by the law of Moses or rather the promise to Abram the Hebrew concerning his natural seed.
God chose Abram then promised Thy we land of Israel would be a nation for his descendants. Jews are Hebrew descendants or converts to Moses law.
Pharisees we’re a strict sect of Judaism , sadducees other doubting sect of Judaism. Pharisees we’re simply legalists who outwardly made Thy en selves look righteous but had a heart full of wickedness they didn’t create “Judaism “
the Jewish religion was created by the law of Moses and from the law came thier entrance into promised land. Jerusalem bekng thier capitol city. It wasn’t an invention of a sect but what happened was a conversion from the ot religion to the gospel of Jesus Christ
Look how a change happened
“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21-24
The law was in place until Christ came preached the gospel doed and rose . And those of the law according to this creation are Jews and are worshipping the religion we later called “Judaism “ to describe it as a religion of the Jews
The law created Judaism when he fulfilled it he gave us the truth to believe and worship by
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yeah I’ll check it out but biblically I’m pretty clear on what Judaism is. The word doesn’t appear in e Bible or anything it’s something we added later to describe the religion of the Jews
what I’m saying is Judaism is the way of Moses law. But I’ll take a look at that video
always with love and respect dear brother now and always !!! God bless and keep you
what I’m saying is Judaism is the way of Moses law. But I’ll take a look at that video
always with love and respect dear brother now and always !!! God bless and keep you
Can i get your brain on this thread? You can scroll to the second half of the first page. Something major was said about the Last Adam and it might be a big deal:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...trinal-errors-found-in-amillennialism.203745/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...trinal-errors-found-in-amillennialism.203745/
The difference between the kingdom of Moses that was the kingdom of the old testament and the kingdom of the NT that is the kingdom of Christ is in the way that God communicated with man. Under Moses, God communicated in fleshly terms. To tell people about being circumcised, God commanded them to cut skin. To tell them about keeping the food for their spirit holy and clean God gave them commandments about the food they put in their stomach. In order to teach them about the blessings of living in harmony with the ways of the Lord, God gave them earthly blessings for obedience.
When Christ came, Christ brought communication between us and God to be spiritual, from the heart. The laws were put in our hearts through the holy spirit. The fleshly commands were taken away--no more cutting skin. Christ lives within us directly, in our hearts and minds. We now worship the Lord in spirit an truth, not through earthly commands.
When Christ came, Christ brought communication between us and God to be spiritual, from the heart. The laws were put in our hearts through the holy spirit. The fleshly commands were taken away--no more cutting skin. Christ lives within us directly, in our hearts and minds. We now worship the Lord in spirit an truth, not through earthly commands.