There's no contradiction. The punishment for unforgiven sin is death.
Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!
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Funny how when a verse doesn’t fit your narrative you play the symbolism card. Btw, thanks for calling all of us fools.[/QUOTE] There's nothing symbolic about what I wrote.
The Soul is you, me, even the animals. A Soul is ANY creature comprised of a Body and God's Breath of Life. We need to abandon this false pagan idea that the "soul" is a transparent poltergeist that lives inside a body and flies off at death when the "body/shell" falls off. It's a form of Satanism which seeks to invest mortal man with innate immortality, which belongs to God alone (1 Timothy 6:15-16 KJV).
Satan wants desperately to be God, so it's not wonder pagan philosophy has at its core the false idea of Immortal Soul doctrine.
Why do you accuse others of lying when they employ figurative language? Do you struggle with habitual lying? We already know you have a problem with keeping the truth of God's Word straight, seeing that you publicly claimed the wicked can partake of God's "agape" and yet have refused to publicly apologize for even merely suggesting something so asinine...
...will you now offer a public apology for any damage others may have incurred due to your false ideas? OSAS dies an excruciating death at the hands of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV and you know it, so repent now and avoid the rush at doomsday when it'll be too late.
You mean like your made up doctrine about the wicked partaking of "agape" in order to preserve that other made up doctrine OSAS, which Matthew 24:12-13 KJV destroys?
Nothing you wrote makes a bit of sense. The same Spirit of Jesus which preached to the Antediluvians through Noah is the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead, is all that Peter is saying.
"God alone hath immortality", so why do you want so bad to be God? Are you of your father the devil or something? After all, the reason he was kicked out of heaven was because he wanted to be God too, right or wrong? Why can't we simply be happy with being mortals who are destined to eat of the Tree of Life and live forever?
It should be clear that the Bible teaches everlasting punishment in the form of being cast into everlasting fire where there will be an experience that is characterized by wailing and gnashing of teeth.
(Matthew 25:46; Matthew 25:41; Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).
(Matthew 25:46; Matthew 25:41; Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).
Yes, in the sense of what is physically around you. But as I said before, dreaming is proof that our inward self still experiences awareness even when we sleep.
The rest of the Bible's usage of "soul" narrows the range of meaning for the way "nephesh" can legitimately be translated in Genesis 2:7. (read that again)
For example, Paul says that the "spirit and soul and body" are all separate components of the "entire" human (1 Thes 5:23).
Idioms appear in literal historical narratives all the time (Jhn 2:4, Act 7:51, Judg 11:40, Gen 27:8). The existence of figurative language doesn't make a passage parabolic. "Abraham's bosom" is one of many examples of figurative language in a literal scenario.
Circular reasoning. John saw disembodied saints in heaven, who had been martyred on the earth in Revelation ch 6 and ch 20.
Authority comes from Scripture, not Tyndale. I have presented Scripture that communicates a simple and powerful syllogism.
He is "the God of Abraham" + He is "The God of the living" = Abraham is alive.
Yeah...spiritually imprisoned in Sheol.
“in which also He went and preached to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient...during the construction of the ark.” (1 Peter 3:19–20)
When Jesus died, He went somewhere and he preached to those who disobeyed in Noah's day.
“And Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” (Luke 23:43)
That very day, the thief on the cross went to the same place as Lazarous..."Paradise", where Abraham is.
That very day, Jesus went to Sheol to get David (Ps 16:10).
“He descended into the lower parts of the earth” (Ephesians 4:9)
The saints who died before the cross... their sins weren't paid for yet, they waited in the paradise side of Sheol (Hades) for the Messiah to come rescue them from their current state.
When someone conquered another people group, the survivors of war would become captives of the victor. In this case, Christ conquered Death and took the captives of Death as His own captives. They were captives of Death because Death had a hold on them. When Jesus died on the cross, He reversed what Adam did in the garden, He became the highest bidder of their soul, for there is nothing more valuable than His blood. Redemption's work was complete, and it was time for the Redeemed to come home.
There's nothing symbolic about what I wrote.
The Soul is you, me, even the animals. A Soul is ANY creature comprised of a Body and God's Breath of Life. We need to abandon this false pagan idea that the "soul" is a transparent poltergeist that lives inside a body and flies off at death when the "body/shell" falls off. It's a form of Satanism which seeks to invest mortal man with innate immortality, which belongs to God alone (1 Timothy 6:15-16 KJV).
Satan wants desperately to be God, so it's not wonder pagan philosophy has at its core the false idea of Immortal Soul doctrine.[/QUOTE]
Satan’s narrative is to convince man that they cease to exist upon death and that there is no eternal punishment in a place called hell or the lake of fire. Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.
Yes, the Soul is comprised of the Body and the Spirit. God is going to destroy the Body and the Soul, but the Spirit shall return to Him just as it was when it left Him, which means it don't LOOK like you, SMELL like you, SOUND like you, or has ANYTHING to do with you...it returns to Him just as it was when it went forth to enter your body and caused the Soul that is named John146 to begin to exist.
See above response[/QUOTE]
Solomon was nuts when he wrote ecc. Isaiah 14 shows those in the grave sleep like we do and are aware of their surroundings. The people under the throne in rev shows they are awake and aware.
Since people on both sides repented and have Jesus in their life, I do not think those of ether side are spiritually blind. Just following how they read the Bible.
They get a body that is not wiped out from combining Matthew 25 and I Cor 15. Their bodies do not have to burn.
Likely firewood burns or even dirt. Another possibility is what Moses saw at the burning bush.
With my luck, I will be the one feeding the firewood into the furnace.
No
It is after the mil.
The unsaved appear before God in his presence without being burned up. No lake of fire in his presence.
It is a separate place built or prepared for the devil and his demons
I already put them in context. On one I can see how you understand it as agreeing with you. When googling them, a book kept coming up which I linked to. Even the one that appeared to agree with you taught that soul is immortal.
I am interested I don't see how that text destroys OSAS. Personally, I would go to Hebrews 6:4-6.
I asked someone a questions on the Bible Commentary they quoted. I quoted it on Matthew 25:46 asking for their understanding of the last line of it in the quote. That question is open to everyone.
Punishment is an entirely different meaning than punishing. “Everlasting punishment” means that an everlasting punishment that, once executed, has been completed. So the context of any of the verses you’re using do not match what you’re saying is happening.
You’re trying to say they go into “everlasting punishing” which would mean an eternal, ongoing, never-ending punishment. That’s what you’re missing Biblical support for and why so many people are debating you on this. The Bible doesn’t support eternal punishing and once you finally see it it’s impossible to ignore it.