Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!
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and? did you hate knowledge? did Satan create the universe you live in?
mass in this universe is not destroyed. it can be converted into energy, or changed into another form of mass, but it does not cease to exist. i can burn a log - it doesn't cease to exist. it is converted into heat, and light, and ash, and smoke. if you eat a mango, the substance of that mango is not annihilated: it becomes strength for your body, that your body converts into actions, and you expel some of the mass once you have taken energy from it.
why does God create a universe that everywhere follows universally true laws?
why does God create a universe in which momentum, information, and mass/energy cannot be destroyed?
why does God put you in a universe in which you cannot be annihilated?
it was not in order to lie to you, Journeyman. it was to teach you of His invisible qualities.
mass in this universe is not destroyed. it can be converted into energy, or changed into another form of mass, but it does not cease to exist. i can burn a log - it doesn't cease to exist. it is converted into heat, and light, and ash, and smoke. if you eat a mango, the substance of that mango is not annihilated: it becomes strength for your body, that your body converts into actions, and you expel some of the mass once you have taken energy from it.
why does God create a universe that everywhere follows universally true laws?
why does God create a universe in which momentum, information, and mass/energy cannot be destroyed?
why does God put you in a universe in which you cannot be annihilated?
it was not in order to lie to you, Journeyman. it was to teach you of His invisible qualities.
Really? "Unconscious" refers to "unaware of what is happening to you and around you" which is precisely why Jesus, David, Jeremiah, etc., used the word in reference to DEATH - no getting around that.
You say "spirit" and then "we" as if "we" exist in a spiritual form apart from the body - that is pagan bulldookey. Genesis 2:7 KJV plainly says "we" are the sum total of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life, which means that "we" are the "I", the "ego", the "self", the "whole being", the "living Soul".
You can't in one breath claim the passage is literal - then proceed to argue it's full of idioms, like Abraham's bosom, the bodies of these three dead, the fact they possess these bodies long before the still-future resurrection of the Just/Wicked, the ability of Lazarus to go back and interact with the living (which Solomon and Job flatly deny is possible).
You've heard of Tyndale? Let's review his answer to Catholic Sir Thomas Moore's same position that you and the Immortal Soul crowd have:
Disembodied, yes, which proves the Rich Man and Lazarus MUST BE a parable. Awake? No, they "sleep the sleep of death" as David declared.
Peter is obviously waxing poetic by "spirits in prison" to whom the Spirit of Jesus preached in referring to the Antediluvians who were "spiritually imprisoned" in the "prison house of sin", as the very next verse proves. Jesus suffered death and slept just before sunset on Friday and rose sometime before sunrise Sunday. He wasn't preaching to anyone anywhere - He was in the tomb as is David now who's "not ascended into heaven".
You say "spirit" and then "we" as if "we" exist in a spiritual form apart from the body - that is pagan bulldookey. Genesis 2:7 KJV plainly says "we" are the sum total of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life, which means that "we" are the "I", the "ego", the "self", the "whole being", the "living Soul".
You can't in one breath claim the passage is literal - then proceed to argue it's full of idioms, like Abraham's bosom, the bodies of these three dead, the fact they possess these bodies long before the still-future resurrection of the Just/Wicked, the ability of Lazarus to go back and interact with the living (which Solomon and Job flatly deny is possible).
You've heard of Tyndale? Let's review his answer to Catholic Sir Thomas Moore's same position that you and the Immortal Soul crowd have:
"And when he (Sir Thomas Moore) proveth that the saints be in heaven, in glory with Christ already, saying, "if God be their God, they be in heaven, for He is not the God of the dead", there he stealeth away Christ's argument WHEREWITH HE PROVETH THE RESURRECTION: that Abraham and all the saints should rise again, and not that the souls are already in heaven; which doctrine was not yet in the world. And with that doctrine he taketh away the resurrection quite, and maketh Christ's argument of none effect."
As I've said so often before, "protestants" today are so steeped in papal antichrist doctrine, why don't they just turn in their card and join the papacy and stop corrupting Protestantism?Disembodied, yes, which proves the Rich Man and Lazarus MUST BE a parable. Awake? No, they "sleep the sleep of death" as David declared.
Peter is obviously waxing poetic by "spirits in prison" to whom the Spirit of Jesus preached in referring to the Antediluvians who were "spiritually imprisoned" in the "prison house of sin", as the very next verse proves. Jesus suffered death and slept just before sunset on Friday and rose sometime before sunrise Sunday. He wasn't preaching to anyone anywhere - He was in the tomb as is David now who's "not ascended into heaven".
The Bible in several places depicts a coming period of total destruction and desolation of the Earth:
Does it find a place in your eschatological view?
- empty
- uninhabitable
- filled with darkness
- totally silent
- unburied bodies of the wicked everywhere
Does it find a place in your eschatological view?
Why do you deny that in the beginning God stepped out onto nothing and spoke to nothing and from nothing came forth everything?
God can call forth from nonexistence every living Soul who has died if He wishes for them to exist again, which is what He intends to do in the Resurrections of the Just and Damned.
God can call forth from nonexistence every living Soul who has died if He wishes for them to exist again, which is what He intends to do in the Resurrections of the Just and Damned.
Yes, the Soul is comprised of the Body and the Spirit. God is going to destroy the Body and the Soul, but the Spirit shall return to Him just as it was when it left Him, which means it don't LOOK like you, SMELL like you, SOUND like you, or has ANYTHING to do with you...it returns to Him just as it was when it went forth to enter your body and caused the Soul that is named John146 to begin to exist.
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Funny how when a verse doesn’t fit your narrative you play the symbolism card. Btw, thanks for calling all of us fools.
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Funny how when a verse doesn’t fit your narrative you play the symbolism card. Btw, thanks for calling all of us fools.
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Because you clearly just wrote that you believe what he said is not true.
You misused the phrase 'wax poetic' to try to sugar coat your false doctrines, but we can all see quite plainly that it is your belief Christ lying in Luke 16 and now Peter was lying in 1 Peter 3.
Why do you think God is lying?
You misused the phrase 'wax poetic' to try to sugar coat your false doctrines, but we can all see quite plainly that it is your belief Christ lying in Luke 16 and now Peter was lying in 1 Peter 3.
Why do you think God is lying?
Actually it is backwards.
Sin has a horror to it.
We are warned of eternal consequences.
We have a choice.
We chose one or the other.
It is not a Fair vs unfair dynamic.
It is a remedy dynamic that delivers us from eternal punishment.
Jesus is the remedy and cure for eternal punishment.
Without him, we all would be there.
The atheist uses the fair vs unfair dynamic.
They say I cannot serve a God that drowns infants and puppy dogs.
And so we tip our hat to the atheist.
No we don't !!!!
Because heaven gives us the true perspective.
We see Noah leaning over the rail of the Ark and seeing thousands upon thousands of bloated bodies of humans and animals and saying ,"dear God the horrors of sin."
Sin has a horror to it.
We are warned of eternal consequences.
We have a choice.
We chose one or the other.
It is not a Fair vs unfair dynamic.
It is a remedy dynamic that delivers us from eternal punishment.
Jesus is the remedy and cure for eternal punishment.
Without him, we all would be there.
The atheist uses the fair vs unfair dynamic.
They say I cannot serve a God that drowns infants and puppy dogs.
And so we tip our hat to the atheist.
No we don't !!!!
Because heaven gives us the true perspective.
We see Noah leaning over the rail of the Ark and seeing thousands upon thousands of bloated bodies of humans and animals and saying ,"dear God the horrors of sin."
No, but the belief that matter cannot be created isn't true, because God created it. And scientists are also wrong when they say it can't be taken from existence. To them it's impossible.
Of course not. He, along with sin and death, are not going to go on for eternity.
I understand what you're saying my friend. All of this knowledge has led the scientific world to the belief that God isn't necessary for anything.
I believe God wants people to be with him in paradice for all eternity. He doesn't want people tormented for eternity.
Of course not. He, along with sin and death, are not going to go on for eternity.
I understand what you're saying my friend. All of this knowledge has led the scientific world to the belief that God isn't necessary for anything.
I believe God wants people to be with him in paradice for all eternity. He doesn't want people tormented for eternity.
you really, actually woke up this morning, thought you had understanding, and came here to announce to us all that "Jesus preached to the spirits in prison" is a euphemism for 'Jesus was annihilated' ???
i'm trying to understand what kind of mindset makes a thread claiming Jesus was lying, and now Peter was lying, and completely makes up things to accuse me when i confront you about it? and you think this is all a good idea and you are giving us valuable information with your crazy-talk?
i'm trying to understand what kind of mindset makes a thread claiming Jesus was lying, and now Peter was lying, and completely makes up things to accuse me when i confront you about it? and you think this is all a good idea and you are giving us valuable information with your crazy-talk?
understand it in its context. it is like Solomon saying over and over 'under the sun'
within the universe God created, momentum and mass/energy and information cannot be destroyed. it only changes forms. it can be rendered powerless & have all its glory removed ((the literal meaning of 'destroy')) or it can be made powerful & glorified.
that does not mean God did not create the universe -- it means that in the universe He chose to create in order to testify of Himself, The Truth, it is a fundamental fact of the universe He created that nothing is annihilated in it; things only change form, and if you are omniscient and omnipotent, you can always restore them: nothing within the universe God created can utterly cease to exist.
God created the universe with such characteristics on purpose. why?
by Him all things consist. He upholds all things. our existence - whether lost or saved, both - is fundamentally made of His existence. we are souls because His breath is in us. does His breath cease to exist? does He annihilate His own breath?
what does His universe teach you? He created His universe in order to teach you. does His testimony, His universe, teach annihilationism? absolutely not!
within the universe God created, momentum and mass/energy and information cannot be destroyed. it only changes forms. it can be rendered powerless & have all its glory removed ((the literal meaning of 'destroy')) or it can be made powerful & glorified.
that does not mean God did not create the universe -- it means that in the universe He chose to create in order to testify of Himself, The Truth, it is a fundamental fact of the universe He created that nothing is annihilated in it; things only change form, and if you are omniscient and omnipotent, you can always restore them: nothing within the universe God created can utterly cease to exist.
God created the universe with such characteristics on purpose. why?
by Him all things consist. He upholds all things. our existence - whether lost or saved, both - is fundamentally made of His existence. we are souls because His breath is in us. does His breath cease to exist? does He annihilate His own breath?
what does His universe teach you? He created His universe in order to teach you. does His testimony, His universe, teach annihilationism? absolutely not!
