The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Absolutely]

The order is simple. Jesus first, and then, "when He comes" everyone else. That's the order.


The Bible only describes the resurrection of believers as one. Same for the resurrection of the unsaved.


"over time'", huh. Nope. Just one. It is "when He comes".

You seem not to like my use of the NIV. So here are more:
English Standard Version
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

Berean Study Bible
But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

Berean Literal Bible
But each in the own order: Christ the firstfruit, then those of Christ at His coming,

King James Bible
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


New American Standard Bible
But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,


Christian Standard Bible
But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at his coming, those who belong to Christ.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ.

American Standard Version
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Each person in his order; The Messiah was the first fruits; after this, those who are The Messiah's at his arrival.

English Revised Version
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
This will happen to each person in his own turn. Christ is the first, then at his coming, those who belong to him [will be made alive].

International Standard Version
However, this will happen to each person in the proper order: first the Messiah, then those who belong to the Messiah when he comes.

They also say the same thing.


I have no idea what you are talking about here, so please clarify. ALL dead bodies are IN the grave.


Please show in the Bible about the "general assembly" that is related to resurrection. The 2 "different groups" has already been defined as saved and unsaved. Acts 24:15.

If you think I'm wrong, please address this verse and show me where my error is.


There is NO resurrection in Rev 21. Or prove it with Scripture.


Of course it is. That's what I said.

"""The Bible only describes the resurrection of believers as one. Same for the resurrection of the unsaved.
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming."""

He COMES pretrib for his bride.
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So you are needing some postrib resurrection verses at the white horses....none exist.

You also need Rev 14 removed from the debate.

You can holler " one resurrection" all you want. We agree.

The bible teaches "3 COMINGS"
Take that off the table while you are at it.
1) Mat 25 comes for his bride. No white horses, no warrior dimension, no conquering, no killing,.
2) comes in a cloud sitting on a cloud, with a sickle in hand DURING THE TRIB, AFTER FIRSTFRUIT JEWS IN rev 14:14
3) comes WITH ALL THOSE in the PRIOR GATHERINGS from heaven on white horses....TO EARTH.

That rev 14 has to really get to you guys.
That is a tuffy to explain away.

 

[kleronomos]

AREN'T THE GENTILES JOINT-HEIRS, A JOINT-BODY AND JOINT-PARTAKERS OF THE PROMISE IN CHRIST JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPEL

"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" has spanned [now] some near-2000 years of existence on this earth, since the first century. [Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)]

GODS PEOPLE have been around A LOT longer than 2000 years. You speak as if God got rid of His people and started over again.

 

[kleronomos]

In Mt 6:13 ("the Lord's Prayer"), 4506 (rhýomai) is used in the closing sentence, "Deliver (4506 /rhýomai) us from evil" – i.e. "Deliver me to Yourself and for Yourself." That is, "Lord deliver me out of my (personal) pains and bring me to You and for You."

Are you saying the only way to be 'delivered from evil' is to be taken to heaven or are you saying no one has ever been delivered from evil and won't be until the pre trib generation?

 

[cv5]

AREN'T THE GENTILES JOINT-HEIRS, A JOINT-BODY AND JOINT-PARTAKERS OF THE PROMISE IN CHRIST JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPEL



GODS PEOPLE have been around A LOT longer than 2000 years. You speak as if God got rid of His people and started over again.

The Church began on Pentecost about 30AD, with the provision of the promised "arrabon", the earnest, the down payment. This was the "seal" upon the believers and the "sealing of the deal" (The New Covenant) so to speak.

Yes of course there are elect Old Testament faithful believers. Like John the Baptist. But neither he nor they are part of the Church, the Bride, for reasons already expressed.

John the Baptist himself stated very clearly that he was "the friend of the bridegroom". He understood perfectly well that he was not numbered among the Bride, the Church.

 

[kleronomos]

1) Mat 25 comes for his bride. No white horses, no warrior dimension, no conquering, no killing,.

Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut

is this your pre trib rapture verse?

 

[kleronomos]

The Church began on Pentecost about 30AD, with the provision of the promised "arrabon", the earnest, the down payment. This was the "seal" upon the believers and the "sealing of the deal" (The New Covenant) so to speak.

Yes of course there are elect Old Testament faithful believers. Like John the Baptist. But neither he nor they are part of the Church, the Bride, for reasons already expressed.

John the Baptist himself stated very clearly that he was "the friend of the bridegroom". He understood perfectly well that he was not numbered among the Bride, the Church.

You mean no one believed in God up until then?

 

[kleronomos]

he Church began on Pentecost about 30AD, with the provision of the promised "arrabon", the earnest, the down payment. This was the "seal" upon the believers and the "sealing of the deal" (The New Covenant) so to speak.

Who was this 'payment' for? By NEW DEAL you don't REALLY mean New Covenant do you?

 

[cv5]

You mean no one believed in God up until then?

And there you go. That question betrays a lack of understanding of.....for lack of a better term "dispensationalism". I really don't like to use that term but it will have to do.

The Church Age, the Age of Grace is a particular segment/portion a.k.a. dispensation of Gods plan of salvation. Really it is God choosing a Bride for his beloved Son. That is the core phenomenon at hand.

But the point is Old Testament Saints are not the Bride of the Son!

 

[kleronomos]

That rev 14 has to really get to you guys.
That is a tuffy to explain away.

YOU MUST HAVE MISSED THE LAST ONE, LET ME DO IT AGAIN FOR YOU BECAUSE IT ISN'T A TUFFY BY ANY MEANS.



CLEARLY BEGINS AFTER THE 2ND ADVENT

'THE LAMB' IS ON THE EARTH STANDING AGAIN. REMEMBER THE DIVISIONS ARE MADE BY MAN SO DON'T MAKE THEM MEAN THINGS THEY DON'T.

NOTICE THERE IS NO DESCENDING FROM HEAVEN BEING SPOKEN OF
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

THE LORDS DAY IS BEGINNING
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

THE WORDS OF GOD WILL BE PREACHED FOR THE LORDS DAY TOO, HENCE 'PRIESTS FOR 1000 YEARS'
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.



FOLLOW THE HINTS - REMEMBER - NOT ALL HAVE EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR

A RECAP OF WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE PREVIOUSLY WE KNOW BECAUSE SATAN IS DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE LORDS COMING
Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

A WARNING TO US TO NOT BE A PART OF WHAT IS COMING
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,


BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO DO
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

REMEMBER THE WARNING - ENDURE TO THE END
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


ANOTHER VERSE TO LET US KNOW THAT THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A BOOK NOT TO BE FOLLOWED IN THE ORDER IT IS WRITTEN
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


BACK TO MORE INFO FOR US AND WHAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE WITH THOSE WHO TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST UPON THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS RETURN
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

Revelation 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.


THIS AGE IS ENDING. SEPARATION IS TAKING PLACE. EARTH IS BEING CLEANSED AND ALL THOSE SOULS UNDER THE ALTAR ARE BEING AVENGED
Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE, NOT ONLY NOT A TUFFY AS YOU SUGGEST, BUT IN REALITY QUITE A SIMPLE CHAPTER.

 

[FreeGrace2]

"""The Bible only describes the resurrection of believers as one. Same for the resurrection of the unsaved.
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming."""

He COMES pretrib for his bride.
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Prove this claim from Scripture then.

So you are needing some postrib resurrection verses at the white horses....none exist.

I don't need anything. I have the Word of God, which is very clear about end times. There is one resurrection for the saved and one for the unsaved - Acts 24:15. Prove this to be wrong, if it is.

All believers are glorified at the one resurrection, which is "when He comes" - 1 Cor 15:23. Ditto here.

You also need Rev 14 removed from the debate.

I have already explained it. Why do you insist on ignoring what I post? I don't need it removed. So quit making up stuff.

You can holler " one resurrection" all you want. We agree.

The Bible says so, and I will repeat it as often as necessary.

The bible teaches "3 COMINGS"
Take that off the table while you are at it.

Prove this claim from Scripture. Show me from Scripture when they occur.

1) Mat 25 comes for his bride. No white horses, no warrior dimension, no conquering, no killing,.
2) comes in a cloud sitting on a cloud, with a sickle in hand DURING THE TRIB, AFTER FIRSTFRUIT JEWS IN rev 14:14
3) comes WITH ALL THOSE in the PRIOR GATHERINGS from heaven on white horses....TO EARTH.

This is your "evidence"?? Matt 25 isn't about resurrection.

Matt 25 is a parable. Nothing about resurrection.

That rev 14 has to really get to you guys.

You keep being wrong. I have already pointed out that the last part of the chapter deals with MUCH DEATH of human beings. No resurrection in the chapter.

Why do you use "firstfruits" in ch 14 as meaningful? It sure doesn't describe any kind of resurrection. Just a whole lot of killing.

That is a tuffy to explain away.

Why haven't you quoted specific verses, if the chapter says what you keep claiming it says?

You haven't proven anything about your claims other than you STILL CAN'T provide ANY Scripture to back any of your claims up.

 

[Marilyn]

I know if someone had given me all those verses spotlighting the many problems in the many different areas, it would give me great pause.

1Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God

That settles it then The church of God is the lost sheep of Israel. No, the church is WHOMSOEVER WOULD. Not under the law, but under grace. Gods people.


Yes Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords of ALL kingdoms of the world. Or at least will be once Babylon is fallen at His return.

I am not sure how much different "Jesus being the head/the man in charge" makes anything, as it is still God. Surely no one else could ever be.

No, Gods people are Gods people. I am glad I am willing to stand, willing to fight and even willing to die. Funny how many people are willing to do that for their country and how many aren't willing to do it for GOD. But funny isn't the word. Tragic is.

There is a difference between Head of the Body and King of Israel and of the Nations. The Headship of Christ over His Body is the closest relationship, whereas just being a subject of a king is not as close.

We are `members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones,` (Eph. 5: 30).

Whereas a subject in a nation to a king is not like that.

 

[cv5]

Prove this claim from Scripture then.


I don't need anything. I have the Word of God, which is very clear about end times. There is one resurrection for the saved and one for the unsaved - Acts 24:15. Prove this to be wrong, if it is.

All believers are glorified at the one resurrection, which is "when He comes" - 1 Cor 15:23. Ditto here.


I have already explained it. Why do you insist on ignoring what I post? I don't need it removed. So quit making up stuff.


The Bible says so, and I will repeat it as often as necessary.


Prove this claim from Scripture. Show me from Scripture when they occur.


This is your "evidence"?? Matt 25 isn't about resurrection.

Matt 25 is a parable. Nothing about resurrection.


You keep being wrong. I have already pointed out that the last part of the chapter deals with MUCH DEATH of human beings. No resurrection in the chapter.

Why do you use "firstfruits" in ch 14 as meaningful? It sure doesn't describe any kind of resurrection. Just a whole lot of killing.


Why haven't you quoted specific verses, if the chapter says what you keep claiming it says?

You haven't proven anything about your claims other than you STILL CAN'T provide ANY Scripture to back any of your claims up.

You sure ask a lot of questions buddy. I feel blessed and fortunate that I know all the right answers. I really do. I sure sleep well at night I can tell you that......

 

[Marilyn]

The thing is.....it is impossible to divorce eschatology from the mo'edim. In fact it is the mo'edim that precedes the eschatology and is the very template for it. The first three feasts have been fulfilled (with absolute precision to the very day) and we can certainly expect the last four to be fulfilled in exactly the same way.

Is the rapture going to occur at the very beginning of the Feast of Trumpets? What to do the commentators on this thread think? I would be curious to know......

Hi cv5,

Yes we know the first 3 Feasts were fulfilled on the exact days, however that does not mean the other 3 Feasts will also. i will explain more. Now we need to included 3 more lesser Feasts that Israel celebrates and they give us the timing.

1. Tisha b`Av - mourning. (17th of Tammuz - 9th of Av) This is when Israel mourns the destruction of the Holy Temple and the launch into a still ongoing exile. Israel will again mourn her sin and the desecration of their Holy Temple in the trib. This fulfills Jesus prophecy concerning the `Abomination of desolation.` (Matt. 24: 15, Rev. 13: 14)

2. Hanukkah - Re dedication. (25th of Kislev - 2nd of Tevet). This feast commemorates the re dedication of the Temple in 164 BC. It was at this Feast of Dedication that the Jews wanted to know if He was the Messiah. (John 10: 22 - 24) This will eventually be fulfilled when the Lord returns in power and glory. The Priest will cleanse the Temple and re dedicate it to the Lord. (Dan. 8: 13 & 14)

3. Purim - National Deliverance & Celebration. (24th & 25th of Adar). This Feast celebrates the failure of Haman`s plot to destroy the Jews. It is a time of feasting and joy. It is celebrated on the 14th in the country and on the 15th of Adar in Jerusalem. When the Messiah will come and Israel will be delivered, then the Jews will be brought to the land from all over the world. (Isa. 66: 20) It will be a time of great rejoicing for finally their enemies have been overcome and they will be a blessing to all the nations as God promised. (Dan. 12: 12)

When I realised that the Feast of Purim was the 1,335th day (1,260, 1,290, & 30 & 15) then I started from that point and worked backwards. I`ll post more later regarding the Jewish calendar and how all the Feasts work from that spot.

 

[Marilyn]

Prove this claim from Scripture then.


I don't need anything. I have the Word of God, which is very clear about end times. There is one resurrection for the saved and one for the unsaved - Acts 24:15. Prove this to be wrong, if it is.

All believers are glorified at the one resurrection, which is "when He comes" - 1 Cor 15:23. Ditto here.

Mmmmm the OT saints, the just men in the General Assembly do NOT get resurrected till the NHNE. (Heb. 11: 16, 12: 23, Rev. 21: 2) Thus proving your theory wrong that we all get resurrected together.

 

[Marilyn]

The order is simple. Jesus first, and then, "when He comes" everyone else. That's the order.


The Bible only describes the resurrection of believers as one. Same for the resurrection of the unsaved.


"over time'", huh. Nope. Just one. It is "when He comes".



I have no idea what you are talking about here, so please clarify. ALL dead bodies are IN the grave.


Please show in the Bible about the "general assembly" that is related to resurrection. The 2 "different groups" has already been defined as saved and unsaved. Acts 24:15.

If you think I'm wrong, please address this verse and show me where my error is.


There is NO resurrection in Rev 21. Or prove it with Scripture.


Of course it is. That's what I said.

`But how they (OT saints) desire a better, that is a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a CITY for THEM.` (Heb. 11: 16)

`You have come to ....the general assembly....to the spirits of just men made perfect.` (Heb. 12: 23)

`Then I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God..` (Rev. 21: 2)

There we read of God`s purpose for the OT saints, their inheritance of the city. At the moment they are in the third heaven in the General Assembly awaiting their inheritance of the city. Thus when the city comes down our of heaven from God the OT saints will be in it. Their spirits will be clothed in new bodies to be able to live in that city.

 

[Marilyn]

And there you go. That question betrays a lack of understanding of.....for lack of a better term "dispensationalism". I really don't like to use that term but it will have to do.

The Church Age, the Age of Grace is a particular segment/portion a.k.a. dispensation of Gods plan of salvation. Really it is God choosing a Bride for his beloved Son. That is the core phenomenon at hand.

But the point is Old Testament Saints are not the Bride of the Son!

I would have to disagree with you there, bro. The `bride` purpose was well known before the revelation of the Body of Christ. We are His BODY, the NEW MAN. `We are members of His Body, of His flesh and of His bones.` (Eph. 5: 30)

 

[Jackson123]

But the point is Old Testament Saints are not the Bride of the Son!

Give a verse

 

[Absolutely]

Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut

is this your pre trib rapture verse?

Vivid and unmistakeable

 

[kleronomos]

And there you go. That question betrays a lack of understanding of.....for lack of a better term "dispensationalism". I really don't like to use that term but it will have to do.

The Church Age, the Age of Grace is a particular segment/portion a.k.a. dispensation of Gods plan of salvation. Really it is God choosing a Bride for his beloved Son. That is the core phenomenon at hand.

But the point is Old Testament Saints are not the Bride of the Son!

As does your reply .

You do know I have a copy of the Bible too, right?

I read about the BRIDE you say 'is not to be proved', but ' apostasy away' before then, just as she is. How could I ever believe that GOD would pick 'that church' for a wife when she is so steeped in false teaching and other evil things, so far from holy, that the only thing that could help, would be a good tribulation?

Have you ever read the Old Testament? I know a couple times through it would really help a bunch with this whole thing.

Maybe we are not reading the same book at all. Don't get me wrong, 'the church' does disappears immediately after being judged no where near worthy by Christ but I am sure it is not from being taken to heaven to be renamed 'the elders'. That would mean that Christ is to marry the elders. It just gets worse and worse all the time. Let me tell you how the BOOK that I am reading from speaks of her/him or church/elders IDK and then you tell me, WOULD YOU WANT HER AS SHE IS or would you think some real good schooling and refinement would be a good idea. (that's one of those never answer questions. And the amount of those is just becoming to numerous to count)


IS THIS THE BRIDE GOD HAS CHOSEN FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR? DOES YOUR BOOK SAY THESE THINGS? DOES SHE GO TO HEAVEN THIS WAY? IS THIS GIVEN ETERNAL SALVATION?

thou hast left thy first love do the first works or else I will come unto thee quickly and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate Repent or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication and she repented not Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds And I will kill her children with death and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked


Things like this, never explained. How do I take this to someone and say HERE ARE THE WORDS OF GOD here is some of Gods truth, come to faith?

Yes, a 'departure' is upon us. It couldn't come a minute too soon.



Isaiah 49:6 And He said, It is a light thing that Thou shouldest be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give Thee for a light to the Gentiles, that Thou mayest be My salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.


24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25 But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You sure ask a lot of questions buddy.

Do my questions about where your evidence is bother you? I'm still waiting for any verse showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

I feel blessed and fortunate that I know all the right answers. I really do.

That's great. Now, since you really do, can you quote any verse showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven?

If you can't, how can you say you "know all the right answers"?

The right answers always have the evidence. Where is yours?

I sure sleep well at night I can tell you that......

That's what the advertisements for Relaxium all say.