Do demons have the authority Of God to oppress christians

[studentoftheword]

And now that you have read this would you now think twice about retracting your view that God allowed satan to be God of this world.

I Think Satan has your mind blinded to what I posted ====you better go back and read my last post again ----even better I will repost it here -----I guess you don't get what the Scripture is saying --------------2 Corinthians 4-----so Satan I am afraid has you confused and in unbelief of this scripture below here

this is my post from above

A big Fat NO to That Statement ---and I don't know here you got that from my post -------God allows Satan to invade our thoughts to try and keep us from Worshiping God -------

Adam handed the keys to reign over this world to Satan when he took Satan's bait to eat the fruit -----Satan is still the god ---prince of this world and will be till Jesus comes back to defeat him for good ---but for True Christians who Receive Jesus they have an escape ------Scripture says ----Submit to God and the devil will flee from you ---

unbelievers are away from God so they have no escape ---Satan blinds their minds to the truth of Scripture ------we are never to worship Satan -------


2 Corinthians 4:4

New Living Translation

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

 

[de-emerald]

That’s a good question: “were these Paul’s thoughts or a demon’s thoughts?”

That might be easier to understand through experience rather than explanation. Do you have the gift of prophecy? If yes then you know it’s a gift that must be honed and the wielder of such gift must live righteously as much as possible.

Paul seems experienced in both sectors of exercising his gift, so I would believe Paul was delivering a message from God sometimes and other times just explaining his experiences in his own words even though God may have told him to explaining it. I don’t think God always told Paul what to say, word for word, but rather provided talking points for Paul to write about.

yes well you know it seems to be the general consensus here, that when the question is asked you know does a demon have the authority to oppress a Christian it seems to be the general consensus, that people use authentication from scriptures, that were before the resurrection of Christ you know. also as well I think we have to bear in mind there's a lot of scriptures concerning demons possibly having the authority to oppress Christians comes at a time when Christianity was very young.

I think it's also very important to remember the fact that a lot of scripture that is recorded about demons is before the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is a time when people knew nothing of the powers and spiritual deceiving of demons you know.

The very first person to truly expose the deceit and lies of Satan was Jesus Christ. The other thing we have to remember as well concerning demons is in the many many scriptures where Jesus Christ has told people knowledge of demons and how they deceive in many of those scriptures, I think all of them probably suggest that Jesus Christ does not work with demons or evil spirits.

 

[de-emerald]

God Himself made Satan the god of this world ------and Satan is here and remains the god of this world until Jesus comes back and defeats him for good ------


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ok befor you make your next reply with the scripture that says Satan is the God of this world, which I know you will, please show where it says God made Satan the God of this world in that scripture.

 

[de-emerald]

That’s a good question: “were these Paul’s thoughts or a demon’s thoughts?”

That might be easier to understand through experience rather than explanation. Do you have the gift of prophecy? If yes then you know it’s a gift that must be honed and the wielder of such gift must live righteously as much as possible.

well I believe that you know the gift of prophecy can come to anybody really you know. you could come to me with your next post you know for-warning me about something.

I think as well you know that perfectly well you know on this subject, you know, in the old testament you know there where lots and lots of different practices of religion you know, in the middle East many strange practices all over the middle East you know, it was the belief that Satan was used as a instrument for God.

But you know in the New testament where God came down as Jesus you know, I mean Jesus more than often told Satan to go away from him every time Jesus called Satan the father of all lies you know Jesus told Satan to get away from me. many many times Jesus was telling his disciples you know, don't be fooled by these demons, they all know of God you know today they are not here to do the work of God you know they are here to deceive, the demons are here to make people unwell they are here to snatch people outside the hands of God you know all this. This is what Jesus proclaimed to all his people.

The real truth could really be that evil spirits are a freak in nature was not supposed to happen an accident for this reason, you know they are not accepted you know and you know for this reason evil spirits cause a lot of trouble and portray the wrong God and deceive people quite easily

 

[studentoftheword]

show where it says God made Satan the God of this world in that scripture.

Well --you keep using a big G for god referring to Satan and that is just False and wrong and insulting to God for starters -----you should really study scripture more and learn the difference between using a capital G and a small g --they do not mean the same in scripture ------so your ignorance in defining the difference in the word God and god is lacking ------

Second ---Jesus is God and Jesus is the Word ----The Word became Flesh -------
So the Words in 2 Corinthians 4 are from GOD -----and Jesus who is the Word and who is GOD ---is saying the using the small g ---Satan is the god of this world ------

I say ------------So lets look it up and see what the small g represents in the Scripture below --------

Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.-------- is used of whatever can in any respect be likened to God, or resembles him in any way: equivalent to God's representative or vicegerent- - of the devil 2 Corinthians 4:4

2 Corinthians 4:4

New Living Translation

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God

I say ------I think you need to take note of these sentences in red above here ----

 

[de-emerald]

Well --you keep using a big G for god referring to Satan and that is just False and wrong and insulting to God for starters -----you should really study scripture more and learn the difference between using a capital G and a small g --they do not mean the same in scripture ------so your ignorance in defining the difference in the word God and god is lacking ------

Second ---Jesus is God and Jesus is the Word ----The Word became Flesh -------
So the Words in 2 Corinthians 4 are from GOD -----and Jesus who is the Word and who is GOD ---is saying the using the small g ---Satan is the god of this world ------

I say ------------So lets look it up and see what the small g represents in the Scripture below --------

Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.-------- is used of whatever can in any respect be likened to God, or resembles him in any way: equivalent to God's representative or vicegerent- - of the devil 2 Corinthians 4:4

2 Corinthians 4:4

New Living Translation

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God

I say ------I think you need to take note of these sentences in red above here ----

personally speaking you know I don't think you should suggest on an internet how well a person knows God,

Once again may I remind you the scripture you have have posted suggests that Satan has become the god of this world,

You have taken that to mean that God allowed Satan to be the God of this world,.

Do you see the contrast there.

May I also remind you of the scripture that says that Satan will set himself up as the God of this world and deceive many. Now also you know in in that scripture does it say that God has allowed Satan to be the God of this world.

What the scripture says basically is that Satan will set himself up as the God of this world without the authority of God.

We know this because in other scriptures of the Bible Satan says that he will exalt himself higher than the heavens. Which again suggests that he is not acting with the authority of God.

So once again I implore you to read back Corinthians where it says Satan is the God of this world does that mean 100% that God has allowed Satan to be the God of this world.

 

[de-emerald]

The Bible clearly suggests you know that the feeling of God about the nephilim was not not right you know that the nephilim were an abomination to God you know that they were unfortunately you know what is known as a a freak in nature you know. If calling the nephilim a freak in nature somehow offends people here, I think you should take that up with God personally and ask God why he is calling the nephilim an abomination.

 

[studentoftheword]

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I leave you with Jesus Words ----

 

[de-emerald]

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I leave you with Jesus Words ----

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I leave you with this scripture,


all tho Jesus did not explain everything in full, when he spoke to the crowds, he did however explain everything in full to his deciples 😊

 

[Runningman]

personally speaking you know I don't think you should suggest on an internet how well a person knows God,

Once again may I remind you the scripture you have have posted suggests that Satan has become the god of this world,

You have taken that to mean that God allowed Satan to be the God of this world.

Do you see the contrast there.

May I also remind you of the scripture that says that Satan will set himself up as the God of this world and deceive many. Now also you know in in that scripture does it say that God has allowed Satan to be the God of this world.

What the scripture says basically is that Satan will set himself up as the God of this world without the authority of God.

We know this because in other scriptures of the Bible Satan says that he will exalt himself higher than the heavens. Which again suggests that he is not acting with the authority of God.

So once again I implore you to read back Corinthians where it says Satan is the God of this world does that mean 100% that God has allowed Satan to be the God of this world.

I mean, we can make a lot of speculation. It’s possible that the devil became the god of this world, planet Earth, at the fall when Adam and Eve obeyed the devil.

There is possibly more than meets the eye here as there are suggestions that prior to being purchased by the blood of Christ, all people are owned by someone else, feasibly that would be Satan.

1 Cor. 7:23
23Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Acts 20:28
28 …the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

A purchase is an agreed upon price by at least two parties to transfer ownership of something(s) from one to another. Notice that a purchase has to be an agreement between two parties.

From what person was the church of God purchase from and who agreed that the price would be the blood of Christ?

I’m sure you have a few ideas by now. This isn’t milk folks, prepare for strong meat.

 

[de-emerald]

I mean, we can make a lot of speculation. It’s possible that the devil became the god of this world, planet Earth, at the fall when Adam and Eve obeyed the devil.

There is possibly more than meets the eye here as there are suggestions that prior to being purchased by the blood of Christ, all people are owned by someone else, feasibly that would be Satan.

1 Cor. 7:23
23Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Acts 20:28
28 …the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

A purchase is an agreed upon price by at least two parties to transfer ownership of something(s) from one to another. Notice that a purchase has to be an agreement between two parties.

From what person was the church of God purchase from and who agreed that the price would be the blood of Christ?

I’m sure you have a few ideas by now. This isn’t milk folks, prepare for strong meat.

man what can I say, as far as I can see you know it was your salvation that was bought for a price. The reason why you your salvation was bought fo a price was because Satan had corrupted the seed of mankind, you may have your interpretation of scripture But you know I would not call it speculation on your part,

I have my interpretation you know and my understanding is that Jesus had to defeat sin in the flesh in order for the seed to be uncorrupted of mankind. Which involved his blood being spilt on the cross. And a new spirit being given to mankind.

Satan didn't want that of course and even tried to prevent it by trying to get Jesus to sin. There was never any deals to be done between Jesus and Satan you know at all between the father and Satan or the heavens and satan no deals to be done with Satan none whatsoever,

Satan rebels in the garden you know the father said that he would punish the offspring and bruise the heal of Satan.

The idea and notion that there is deals to be done with satan you know is temptation from the devil nothing more nothing less.

 

[de-emerald]

You know so far I told you 10 posts ago @Runningman that I would pull a hundred scriptures up at least showing you that Satan did not have any authority from God, you know so far I have probably posted about six off those 100 scriptures, and maybe four or five before that which now makes 10 at least in this thread, and in another thread I've probably posted another six, you know maybe we can go through them one by one.

I know lots more and how to search for them, it wouldn't take me long to pull up a hundred scriptures that show a lack of permission being given to Satan. Or Satan brain washing people. maybe a day or two or three to do a complete list. Would you like to take part, ?

 

[Dino246]

Ok read the scripture again it says sin entered into the earth through adam and death through sin.

notice it says and death. who is death.

Death is not a 'who'.

I will answer your other disagreements one at a time.

Good! I look forward to it. I need the entertainment.

May i suggest that when reading a sentence in a bible, you take into account that the first sentence may not be true of the next sentence.

Plausible, but unlikely. Perhaps you have a specific example in mind?

 

[de-emerald]

Death is not a 'who'.


Good! I look forward to it. I need the entertainment.


Plausible, but unlikely. Perhaps you have a specific example in mind?

read the scripture again

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

Who is death refering to here. You say that death is not Satan. But Read the first sentence which says sin entered the world through Adam , not because of Adam.

Satan is sin and death. Just like Satan entered Judas, Satan's sin corruption of wisdom entered through Adam.

Satan became death to the spirit of man. By corrupting wisdom that is in all seeds be that man or plant or animal, Satan corrupted the tree of knowledge Satan was the guardian angel of wisdom he then corrupted that wisdom. Read the passage again the first sentence clearly suggests sin entered through Adam and did not originate from Adam. Then the next sentence suggests that sin came from death. Who is death, well seeing as you like entertainment i will give you many scriptures next proofing Satan is death. And became death for all mankind but not on God's authority.

 

[Combanitorics]

Demons really don't have the authority to do anything, and I just totally fail to see where anyone gets the idea that they do. The Bible very clearly states in many places that Satan is a liar and a rebel usurper, and that he totally forfeited any position he had in heaven when he tried to take over from God.

 

[de-emerald]

@studentoftheword @jb @Duckybill @di @GaryA @Runningman @Nehemiah6 @Pilgrimshope @GandalfTheWhite lol @Jocund @Jesus_Leads @Gideon300 @Omegatime, and my good friend @Dino246 @studentoftheword @jb @Duckybill @Dino246 @JTB @studentoftheword @jb @Duckybill @Omegatime

for starters and for the help of this study to which i only hope it can remain a study of the upmost importance and not derailed as petty insulting squabble, and with the notion in mind that this type of study, there may be some learning difficulties or miss understanding, can we try to come to come to an agreement no matter how long it takes. and keep it a study

For starters i have over a hundred scritures suggesting satan does not have authority or permission from God for his denomic forces to tempt or decieve mankind .

demons or fallen angels that behave like demons are all put into a group called spiritual wicked forces.

Can we agree on this much that spiritual wicked forces are also denomic and this is where the word demon derives from. ok my first 3 scriptures of many suggesting that satan is never granted any permission from God. I will post one at a time.

rule number 1
rev 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

in this verse we see satan was thrown down to earth,which suggest he was kicked out of heaven and all his rebellilling angels with him, then these angels became denomic to the people of earth mankind. can we all agree on this or do any of you have other beliefs of this scripture.

now some of you may say this has not happened yet that this is a prophecy. but satan was in the garden of eden. then some of you may say that satan was made the great deciever by God to be used as an instrument For God and then God threw satan to earth.

May i remind you all of what james 1:13 says 3 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

please bare in mind that in many scriptures where denomic beings try to decieve people, there is also temptation going on to tempt a person into sin, which is something God does not allow.

also most of the next 100 scripture i post will show satan is death and sin

 

[de-emerald]

may i also suugest all taking part in thread that you see my above post as an open invitation to take part and not a personal insult thankyou kindly. and may you all have a nice day with the lord.

 

[Runningman]

man what can I say, as far as I can see you know it was your salvation that was bought for a price. The reason why you your salvation was bought for a price...

Agreed; we were purchased, with the blood of Christ being the currency. When did we become for sale and by who? In order for it to be a proper purchase then there has to be an agreement. If it wasn't a purchase, then no payment was necessary.

I have my interpretation you know and my understanding is that Jesus had to defeat sin in the flesh in order for the seed to be uncorrupted of mankind. Which involved his blood being spilt on the cross. And a new spirit being given to mankind.

I agree with that too. My interpretation does not exclude that.

Satan didn't want that of course and even tried to prevent it by trying to get Jesus to sin. There was never any deals to be done between Jesus and Satan you know at all between the father and Satan or the heavens and satan no deals to be done with Satan none whatsoever,

Can't argue there since nothing about any form of agreement was ever mentioned in the canonized Bible as far as I am aware. Nonetheless, a purchase was made with the blood of Christ, with the seal of the Holy Spirit being the guarantee of that so that the God the Father of Jesus the Christ becomes our spiritual Father.

Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Prior to God the Father being our spiritual Father, we had a different father whether we realized it or not...

John 8:44-45
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Satan rebels in the garden you know the father said that he would punish the offspring and bruise the heal of Satan.

Amen. Who got punished through Adam? Everyone.

 

[Runningman]

You know so far I told you 10 posts ago @Runningman that I would pull a hundred scriptures up at least showing you that Satan did not have any authority from God, you know so far I have probably posted about six off those 100 scriptures, and maybe four or five before that which now makes 10 at least in this thread, and in another thread I've probably posted another six, you know maybe we can go through them one by one.

I know lots more and how to search for them, it wouldn't take me long to pull up a hundred scriptures that show a lack of permission being given to Satan. Or Satan brain washing people. maybe a day or two or three to do a complete list. Would you like to take part, ?

Sure I will take part in that as time allows. Please feel free to post your verses a few at a time and let's look at them.

 

[de-emerald]

Agreed; we were purchased, with the blood of Christ being the currency. When did we become for sale and by who? In order for it to be a proper purchase then there has to be an agreement. If it wasn't a purchase, then no payment was necessary.



I agree with that too. My interpretation does not exclude that.



Can't argue there since nothing about any form of agreement was ever mentioned in the canonized Bible as far as I am aware. Nonetheless, a purchase was made with the blood of Christ, with the seal of the Holy Spirit being the guarantee of that so that the God the Father of Jesus the Christ becomes our spiritual Father.

Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Prior to God the Father being our spiritual Father, we had a different father whether we realized it or not...

John 8:44-45
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.



Amen. Who got punished through Adam? Everyone.

John 8:44-45
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Ok i think i understand your interpretation, all tho you have missed something, Jesus in John 8 was also telling the Jews that they where beleiving the lies of satan. and quite possibly using the expression that they where of the father the devil as an expression. for scripture says all spirit has been born of God. and all creatures great and small the lord God made them all.