Gift of Healing

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Roughsoul1991

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How would you feel when visiting a church and after worship the pastor steps on stage and begins to pray fervently saying in this room for anyone with back pain be healed, start moving in ways that would normally hurt.

I wasn't healed but if I'm honest I doubt not that God can heal but the concept of demanding it. After all it is God's will.

Other Christians will say it is by faith that we are healed. As Jesus once said by your faith the blind man was healed.

So let's discuss this. Is it by faith, God's will, a calling to heal, or a mixture of the three making the gift of healing prevalent today?

Maybe I lacked enough faith as I wasn't expecting to be healed and wasn't there looking to be healed. Maybe the pastor lacks the calling. Or God simply said no or not yet.

What are your thoughts?
 

JaumeJ

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The only times there has been given me to be an instrument of the Father's will, , it was always He controlling me by the Holy Spirit. As it would occur it seemed also natural to me. Then, afterwards, lo I would say to myself, that was a miracle.. All glory to God always, we are His to use as He wills.
 

Lafftur

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Hello @Roughsoul1991 :love:

Consider the human body, God designed and created it to heal itself - the immune system.

Consider the Body of Christ, God designed and created it to also heal itself - with the Word of God working together with His Holy Spirit.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are for the edifying of the Body of Christ operating in every true believer as many members of one body supplying what the Body needs - the Body of Christ on the Earth.

The gift of healing needs to be flowing freely in the Body of Christ but cannot when the Holy Spirit is grieved, quenched, neglected or resisted.

There are so many dynamics to Healing.

When we're sick, we ask "Why am I sick?" and "How do I get well?"

The WHY am I sick? has so many answers....

- For God's Glory

- Sin, because of rebellion to God and Unbelief and Unforgiveness

- Using my own words and speaking negative over myself

- Defiling our body as the Temple of the Holy Spirit

- Putting ourselves under ungodly authority over us

- There's more whys I am sure but this is all I got so far.

The HOW do I get well? question has a few answers...

- Faith is key and is mostly how we receive from God; Faith is supernatural in nature meaning it doesn't come from the physical realm or human reasoning, it comes from the Heavenly realm - from God. Understanding certain knowledge that we absolutely know is TRUE and WILL HAPPEN, Truth is revealed to us and understood from hearing the Word of God.

- God simply has compassion on us;

- Humble ourselves, repent with sorrow over our sin, turn away from our wicked ways and seek God and His Ways;

- Denounce any curses we have ignorantly or foolishly spoken over ourselves;

- Repent for not taking care of our bodies as the Temple of the Holy Spirit and learn to eat right, exercise, get proper sleep, fast and pray, learning to sit still in God's Presence.....waiting for His touch.

"WHAT” is Healing?

Healing is...

Life
Blessed
Mercy
Grace
Supernatural
Gift from God
Restoring by God
Reconciled to God
Bitter becomes sweet
Old becomes new
Where there was death, there is now Life

I love to ponder, I could go on and on….:love:
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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What are your thoughts?
I'd have no problem asking to have a sit-down, private word with the fellah. I'd then proceed to [show] that physical healings in those days were a physical demonstration of Spiritual Circumcision, that no one was healed [before] being relieved the Curse of the Lord - Real quick: Giving sight to the blind . . .

Just after Jesus had healed a man, this is what He said to him and followed up his comment with the unregenerate Jews (who were harassing Him):

John 9:39-41 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." 40 Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" 41 "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see."

John 9:39 is a Keystone passage of the entire Bible. It is of utmost importance and I recommend that all memorize it.
 

G00WZ

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Im willing to bet most of that is your unbelief... It has nothing to do with lack of faith but maybe a bit also with your understanding, you have faith but unbelief is an independent entity separate of God's will
to heal you. Faith is in complete agreement with God always, faith is agreeing with God.

2 Corinthians 10:5 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;... This is your mind when you aren't in the new man mentally, you have to just accept that what you think is wrong and God is always right. That can be hard for some but you are humbling yourself when you get into practicing this because you are allowing His ways to be magnified and affirmed/manifested through you... If your mind ain't right he can't work. Matthew 13:58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief... When Jesus would heal people often times He wouldn't openly tell people that they were healed, most of the time He would command them to do something first that they couldn't do and then they'd find out after. Faith is obedience by agreeing to the word... Imagine if those people never acted upon Jesus's command after being healed, for example He commands a man to rise up and walk but instead the man is like "nah my legs are too messed up Jesus, can't you see that im a cripple?." That man would never receive his healing because he didn't act as commanded but instead he chose to live as commanded to his own belief that he was still crippled because that is what he can still see, feel in the flesh rather than acknowledging and responding to a higher authority which is Christ.

Your mind shouldn't still be on that God "Can heal me" but focus on that "God already did heal you according to Isaiah 53:5, By His stripes you were healed" Faith is simply agreeing/ affirming with Gods word and work of healing you even though you may not completely believe it or be able understand how it all works, but what you need to focus on the most is that God/Christ is always right and truth even though your body and physical senses are telling you the opposite. If God is always righteous somewhere down the line someone/something is lying which is the flesh and what you must do is submit yourself by just tapping into that childlike faith of agreeing with God so that the faiths are now in agreement so it's two to one, God and you vs your flesh.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

God already believes in what He did on the cross so now you have to line up with it. This is not just head knowledge like something you just learn in the moment and then skip off into the sunset, but the revelation of His righteousness has to sink in as you renew your mind and put on the new man according to Ephesians 4:23-24 which basically just affirms whatever God says. The old man just says things like "im still sick" and his entire perspective is counter-faith because he sees from the perspective of the flesh and not in agreement with God who is in spirit.

How you get there is by reading the word obviously but also praying to God in agreement about your healing and things He has already provided, you need to start also speaking as though you have those things too. Start saying that your back is healed/healthy every day even if it is on fire, in faith agreeing with God you need to start just moving it around and doing things you don't feel like doing. Healing is provided but you take it by force by appropriating it, that's why sometimes you see some christians say things like " i accept or i take my healing" when you see testimonials. Healings aren't always instantaneous like how we imagine them. I remember laying hands on a 15 year old deaf dogs ears and they didn't open till a month later, then there are some healings that happened in an hour or a day. But all in all truth is truth no matter how you slice it, God is faithful, and righteous no matter how long it takes to see a manifestation.

So yeah work on your agreeing with God by renewing your mind to what all was done concerning your healing and to Him always being right and once all of that resistance is gone you should just end up healed. It is Gods will for you to be healed and well, your healing is about His purpose and will for you and not just because you want to feel better. God actually wants you well even more than you do but His will always has to come first by us agreeing to it.
 

ResidentAlien

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How would you feel when visiting a church and after worship the pastor steps on stage and begins to pray fervently saying in this room for anyone with back pain be healed, start moving in ways that would normally hurt.

I wasn't healed but if I'm honest I doubt not that God can heal but the concept of demanding it. After all it is God's will.

Other Christians will say it is by faith that we are healed. As Jesus once said by your faith the blind man was healed.

So let's discuss this. Is it by faith, God's will, a calling to heal, or a mixture of the three making the gift of healing prevalent today?

Maybe I lacked enough faith as I wasn't expecting to be healed and wasn't there looking to be healed. Maybe the pastor lacks the calling. Or God simply said no or not yet.

What are your thoughts?
I was attending a church once and I brought along a friend of mine who was bound to a wheelchair. We were in the lobby, and out of nowhere, this guy neither one of us knew, came up and laid hands on my friend and proclaimed: "In Jesus' name, be healed!"; then waited a few minutes. When my friend didn't get up and walk the guy walked away sheepishly and said: "It doesn't always work." Needless to say I was mortified.

"Pain relievers" is what I call today's so-called faith healers. In the high adrenaline of the healing meeting, pain is temporarily relieved and the person believes they've been cured. But in a couple of day, after the healer has their money and is long gone, their malady returns.

I do believe God works miracles through our prayers; but I don't know of any true healers who can heal by laying on hands.
 

CS1

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How would you feel when visiting a church and after worship the pastor steps on stage and begins to pray fervently saying in this room for anyone with back pain be healed, start moving in ways that would normally hurt.

I wasn't healed but if I'm honest I doubt not that God can heal but the concept of demanding it. After all it is God's will.

Other Christians will say it is by faith that we are healed. As Jesus once said by your faith the blind man was healed.

So let's discuss this. Is it by faith, God's will, a calling to heal, or a mixture of the three making the gift of healing prevalent today?

Maybe I lacked enough faith as I wasn't expecting to be healed and wasn't there looking to be healed. Maybe the pastor lacks the calling. Or God simply said no or not yet.

What are your thoughts?

Well,

I know there is a false narrative being proclaimed that Pentecostals are demanding God to heal. That is completely untrue.


First, the word of God tells us God is a healer. WE are told to ask God for all things and Believe when we ask. Pray in faith that was a command by Jesus, not a demand.

Jesus SAID
Matthew 21:22

And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.



Matthew 21:21

Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but you can also say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done."

Mark 9:23

And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can! All things are possible for one who believes.”




James 1:6-8

6But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

Many more of faith in what you are asking God to do. We are supposed to take the authority in Jesus' name and ask according to HIS will.

What is HIS will? Are we not to do the works that Jesus did?

What did Jesus say he would do?

Luke 4:18-19

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”


IF we pray and ask God to do these things will he not do them? If they do not happen do we not accept the answer and move on?
The gospel records Jesus was not able to do any mighty works because of Unbelief.

Matthew 13:57-58

57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “ A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58 And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

Is unbelief a factor today? Yes, it most certainly is. Did not Jesus say or question IF HE would even find faith when HE returns?

There are Biblical reasons why God doesn't do things WE are told to ask for Because HE does them.

  1. we do not ask in Faith= James 1 and Heb 11 just two verses the word of Jesus I already posted
  2. we ask not according to his will but out of a perverted heart or desire
  3. God has delayed it
  4. only asking to see a sign like the Pharisees or making an ultimatum to God Like some Send me a video of you doing a healing

FYI many demanding it too, but that ok huh?
 

Roughsoul1991

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Im willing to bet most of that is your unbelief... It has nothing to do with lack of faith but maybe a bit also with your understanding, you have faith but unbelief is an independent entity separate of God's will
to heal you. Faith is in complete agreement with God always, faith is agreeing with God.

2 Corinthians 10:5 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;... This is your mind when you aren't in the new man mentally, you have to just accept that what you think is wrong and God is always right. That can be hard for some but you are humbling yourself when you get into practicing this because you are allowing His ways to be magnified and affirmed/manifested through you... If your mind ain't right he can't work. Matthew 13:58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief... When Jesus would heal people often times He wouldn't openly tell people that they were healed, most of the time He would command them to do something first that they couldn't do and then they'd find out after. Faith is obedience by agreeing to the word... Imagine if those people never acted upon Jesus's command after being healed, for example He commands a man to rise up and walk but instead the man is like "nah my legs are too messed up Jesus, can't you see that im a cripple?." That man would never receive his healing because he didn't act as commanded but instead he chose to live as commanded to his own belief that he was still crippled because that is what he can still see, feel in the flesh rather than acknowledging and responding to a higher authority which is Christ.

Your mind shouldn't still be on that God "Can heal me" but focus on that "God already did heal you according to Isaiah 53:5, By His stripes you were healed" Faith is simply agreeing/ affirming with Gods word and work of healing you even though you may not completely believe it or be able understand how it all works, but what you need to focus on the most is that God/Christ is always right and truth even though your body and physical senses are telling you the opposite. If God is always righteous somewhere down the line someone/something is lying which is the flesh and what you must do is submit yourself by just tapping into that childlike faith of agreeing with God so that the faiths are now in agreement so it's two to one, God and you vs your flesh.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

God already believes in what He did on the cross so now you have to line up with it. This is not just head knowledge like something you just learn in the moment and then skip off into the sunset, but the revelation of His righteousness has to sink in as you renew your mind and put on the new man according to Ephesians 4:23-24 which basically just affirms whatever God says. The old man just says things like "im still sick" and his entire perspective is counter-faith because he sees from the perspective of the flesh and not in agreement with God who is in spirit.

How you get there is by reading the word obviously but also praying to God in agreement about your healing and things He has already provided, you need to start also speaking as though you have those things too. Start saying that your back is healed/healthy every day even if it is on fire, in faith agreeing with God you need to start just moving it around and doing things you don't feel like doing. Healing is provided but you take it by force by appropriating it, that's why sometimes you see some christians say things like " i accept or i take my healing" when you see testimonials. Healings aren't always instantaneous like how we imagine them. I remember laying hands on a 15 year old deaf dogs ears and they didn't open till a month later, then there are some healings that happened in an hour or a day. But all in all truth is truth no matter how you slice it, God is faithful, and righteous no matter how long it takes to see a manifestation.

So yeah work on your agreeing with God by renewing your mind to what all was done concerning your healing and to Him always being right and once all of that resistance is gone you should just end up healed. It is Gods will for you to be healed and well, your healing is about His purpose and will for you and not just because you want to feel better. God actually wants you well even more than you do but His will always has to come first by us agreeing to it.
The stripes was related to Jesus's crucifixion this is always taken out of context. We are spiritually healed.
 

CS1

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The stripes was related to Jesus's crucifixion this is always taken out of context. We are spiritually healed.
were Jesus Stripes spiritual or had he really been beaten almost to death?
 

wattie

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How would you feel when visiting a church and after worship the pastor steps on stage and begins to pray fervently saying in this room for anyone with back pain be healed, start moving in ways that would normally hurt.

I wasn't healed but if I'm honest I doubt not that God can heal but the concept of demanding it. After all it is God's will.

Other Christians will say it is by faith that we are healed. As Jesus once said by your faith the blind man was healed.

So let's discuss this. Is it by faith, God's will, a calling to heal, or a mixture of the three making the gift of healing prevalent today?

Maybe I lacked enough faith as I wasn't expecting to be healed and wasn't there looking to be healed. Maybe the pastor lacks the calling. Or God simply said no or not yet.

What are your thoughts?
Well the level of faith of the person wanting to be healed wasnt always needed for them to be healed in the bible.

It's an external act of God by His own will that cant be demanded. An answer to prayer but not forced.
 

Aidan1

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How would you feel when visiting a church and after worship the pastor steps on stage and begins to pray fervently saying in this room for anyone with back pain be healed, start moving in ways that would normally hurt.

I wasn't healed but if I'm honest I doubt not that God can heal but the concept of demanding it. After all it is God's will.

Other Christians will say it is by faith that we are healed. As Jesus once said by your faith the blind man was healed.

So let's discuss this. Is it by faith, God's will, a calling to heal, or a mixture of the three making the gift of healing prevalent today?

Maybe I lacked enough faith as I wasn't expecting to be healed and wasn't there looking to be healed. Maybe the pastor lacks the calling. Or God simply said no or not yet.

What are your thoughts?
Physical healing is no promiss made for Christians.
We all suffer under the sinfall in Genesis 3.
We know that Jesus healed all people which came to him, but according John 20.31 Jesus did these for to proof that he is the son of God. Similar we find in the historie healings mostly in combination with preaching the gospel.
In today life we find healings as Gods respond for prayers and we find healings for to proof the gospel,
We also find that God is not giving healing as response of prayer ( famous example is Paul)
What i believe is that for a Christian not to be healed is not a question of lack on faith ( without faith in God he would not be a Christian ) and also not a lack of Gods love!
Sometimes its difficult to understand. But to trust in the Lord in a healthy or sick body reveals our faith in and love to God.
And it can be a witness for others to trust in God.
Sickness belongs through the sinfall to our fallen nature and to our body.
All people which were physical healed through Jesus and the apostles died finaly. And the most of them because of any deseases of the body.
The brothers and sisters which were healed in the past died because of a deseases or collaps of the body.

Different when we speak about our soul which will enter the eternity and will receive a new unmortal body. Jesus saves our soul from be separatet from God for eternity. He gave us life, he heals our soul!
All glory to Him alone!
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Physical healing is no promise made for Christians.
Absolutely. The death rate per person is 1. We're all going to die.

Good grief, when I learned that I had cancer, I WAS RELIEVED! I was thankful!

Psalm 116:15 KJV - "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints."

Ecclesiastes 7:1 KJV - "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."
 

soberxp

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Healing is mainly to express the idea of healing us away from Satan's rules in the Bible .
For example, nothing will make you angry.
James 1:20

If you have a disease, but pray to God to cure your disease, God does not answer your prayer,then you need to consider whether you have any deficiencies in spiritual things.

1 Timothy 6:11
Colossians 3: 12-14
Ephesians 4:2

The Healing is to get rid of our old habits what we Learning from the world.

God's word is to Healing us new , not something of this world.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Jesus could only heal those who had faith, hence, He had Spiritually Circumcised their hearts . . . Healings were a Living Allegory to what was taking place in the regenerated heart.
 

CS1

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Jesus' sacrifice was to spiritually heal us in that context.
Jesus' death was to provide eternal life and receive a glorified body just like his. which is eternal body Jesus told the disciple to touch HIm and see HE is real. Healing is a return to its natural state of being, Jesus will heal us permanently when he glorifies us in HIM at HIS coming.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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The death of Jesus was to pay the penalty for sins. His death is the fourth key element to His Holy Work. The first three pieces of His Work are as follows (which He was issuing from the days of the first True Prophet, Abel):

1) Circumcise the Heart of the Sinful Nature, the Curse of the Lord
2) Grant the ability to Turn and Repent
3) Send the Gift of the Holy Spirit

Humans then had to wait for Christ on the cross to finally be made Right with God:

Romans 3:25-26 NLT - 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

These two passages are Keystone passages of the entire Bible, providing us with proper perspective on what takes place between the two covers of our Bibles. Memorize them.
 

CS1

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The death of Jesus was to pay the penalty for sins. His death is the fourth key element to His Holy Work. The first three pieces of His Work are as follows (which He was issuing from the days of the first True Prophet, Abel):

1) Circumcise the Heart of the Sinful Nature, the Curse of the Lord
2) Grant the ability to Turn and Repent
3) Send the Gift of the Holy Spirit

Humans then had to wait for Christ on the cross to finally be made Right with God:

Romans 3:25-26 NLT - 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

These two passages are Keystone passages of the entire Bible, providing us with proper perspective on what takes place between the two covers of our Bibles. Memorize them.

1Pet 2:24

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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1Pet 2:24

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
Right. And what is this directly pointing to?

Colossians 2:9-15 - Virtually no one talks about this passage and we need to start . . . pronto.

Spiritual Healing/Redemption:

Colossians 2:9-15 KJV - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."