I'm not interested in watching an hour-long video. I only asked for the event and year that you depend on for your claim.
Russia Preparing for War.
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Some of this has to do with what we might call "geographical determinism." When countries live in an open space without terrain for defensible borders, they are often dominated by neighboring powers, suffer conquests, and ultimately have to expand proportionate to the external threat.
On the scale of cities, Rome was like this., and had to expand to protect itself. Ultimately, it has to protect itself from sea powers. And so, it expanded across the Mediterranean.
Large landed countries are like this. Countries better protected by the terrain, such as island countries, may need to expand less. Their expansion may include colonizing for resources to maintain their borders and defenses.
Russia suffered domination by other powers, such as by adventurous Vikings from Sweden. It was after being dominated by the Mongols that Russia emerged as a dominant power, ever aware that its borders could be challenged.
I didn't ask you to watch an hour-long video. I gave you the minute mark. If you can't be bothered to watch a few minutes of a video, then you really aren't interested in considering the evidence.
The event is the attempt by Haman to decimate the Jews, and the subsequent destruction of their enemies. The year is during the reign of Ahasuerus of Medea-Persia.
"Start at about 8 minutes in if you want to skip the preamble" means watching the video minus the first 8 minutes.
It wasn't clear that you were giving me a specific window of minutes. But now that you have clarified that, would minute mark 8:00-15:00 suffice? I'm perfectly willing to watch for your point but I don't want to watch anything I don't have to.
Thank you for clarifying
Had Russia simply strengthened its own legitimate borders and left others alone, no one could object. But Russia has psychopathically sought to grab all the countries surrounding it. And now Ukraine is on the brink. But Churchill and Roosevelt are as much to blame for Russian expansionism as Stalin and all those who came after him (the latest being ex-KGB officer Vladimir Putin). After WWII it was the duty of the allies to protect weaker nations from the Soviets, just as they wanted to protect Europe from Hitler. But there was a double standard on the part of the West, and Eastern Europe was "worthless".
At the same time, after the fall of the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe should have set up its own defense alliance against Russia, and ignored NATO (which was primarily for Western Europe). Had Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Belarus made a pact with Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland to set up a solid line of defense against Russian aggression, Russia would not have dared to do anything against this group.
I watched for 10 minutes (8:00-18:00). Mr. DeMar doesn't substantiate how Haman's attempt accounts for the geography, details, or timing of the Magog invasion.
For example, the timing: Magog will invade when...
-The waste places are again inhabited
-The villages are unwalled (like modern-day Kibbutzim)
-Israel is dwelling securely
And FWI the motivation for the invasion from Magog is materialistic, not ethnic (i.e. greed, not contempt). Magog was prophesied to come to seize plunder and capture spoil, not to disseminate a people group.
I'm a half-breed. One set of grandparents are from Finland, and left while Russia was oppressing them. My cousin in Finland said he thought my Grandfather left out of fear of being drafted by the Russians.
The other set of grandparents were Germans. My Grandfather escaped as a child from Russia. His home was in the Ukraine.
I say all this to explain that I'm fully on board with your sentiment. I don't know how much Churchill could've done?--my wife is English, and I hesitate to put the British down! Since I'm not an American Democrat, politically, I won't hesitate to put Roosevelt down!
Sometimes it's purely a matter of pragmatism, to avoid further conflict. Perhaps it was "kicking the can down the road"--I don't know.
But you're right. The Russians, during the Soviet era, were brutal in oppressing Eastern Europe and controlling all those countries. God brought about their deliverance during glasnost, regardless, and I thank Him for that.
Nevertheless, Eastern Europe is corrupt. And this invites more powerful forces to come in and establish order. I'm not convinced yet on how we should act. The U.S. isn't lacking its own corruption. I invite you to watch the story of Hunter Biden on Fox Nation.
I'm a half-breed. One set of grandparents are from Finland, and left while Russia was oppressing them. My cousin in Finland said he thought my Grandfather left out of fear of being drafted by the Russians.
The other set of grandparents were Germans. My Grandfather escaped as a child from Russia. His home was in the Ukraine.
I say all this to explain that I'm fully on board with your sentiment. I don't know how much Churchill could've done?--my wife is English, and I hesitate to put the British down! Since I'm not an American Democrat, politically, I won't hesitate to put Roosevelt down!
Sometimes it's purely a matter of pragmatism, to avoid further conflict. Perhaps it was "kicking the can down the road"--I don't know.
But you're right. The Russians, during the Soviet era, were brutal in oppressing Eastern Europe and controlling all those countries. God brought about their deliverance during glasnost, regardless, and I thank Him for that.
Nevertheless, Eastern Europe is corrupt. And this invites more powerful forces to come in and establish order. I'm not convinced yet on how we should act. The U.S. isn't lacking its own corruption. I invite you to watch the story of Hunter Biden on Fox Nation.
Hi randy,
Thanks for sharing some of your background. Very interesting and makes one aware of how others have had to flee oppression and killing.
Now as to `I`m not convinced yet how WE should act.` Do you just mean America, or are you including the Body of Christ, the believer?
I'm an American and was born here in WA State. I'm referring to how we, as Americans, should respond to Russia surrounding the Ukraine with military positioned to attack? My views as a Christian are different from my views as an American. I have to be in submission to our political state, and yet remain true to my Christian conscience.
I'm Canadian! Born and raised in Alberta, living in the Bay Area through summers in the late 50's and early 60's, while my dad went to UofC, Berkeley. Then Oregon from June 1964 to August 1965. So my perspective is Canadian, but a couple of years living in the US gave me a different view..
But more important, my father's side of the family was 100% Ukrainian. My Baba celebrated Orthodox Christmas & Easter. I knew the foods, just learning the language, right now. I'm studying the genealogies, I might have distant family still living there, on my Baba's side. It's really part of me, being of Ukrainian descent. I don't want to see Russia doing the horrible things to Ukraine, like the Holomodor in 1932-33, where Stalin starved to death 10 million people because he took all their food. Russia controlled Ukraine most of the 20th century, and it was very harsh and cruel.
I learned today Canada has the third largest number of Ukrainians in the world, after Ukraine & Russia. I know a lot of Canadians with Ukraine heritage. We don't want to see Ukraine invaded again. As a Canadian, I don't want Ukraine invaded. I wish there was a way to help.
Which brings me to what I should be doing as a Christian. I think prayer can be very powerful force for good! No matter where we live in the world, we can pray God will change the situation, esp. Putin's heart & mind. Ukrainians had a strong Christian heritage. We may not agree with some of their dogma, but my Baba was an evangelistic woman. She prayed most of her grandchildren into the Kingdom of God. She used to say "you gotta believe in da Jesus."
Let's all commit to praying for the war threat to end in Ukraine, and for people to not only be free, but free in Christ Jesus!
Amen and amen. I certainly don`t think Russia will invade the Ukraine. God is putting `hooks in its jaws` and bringing them down to the mountains of Israel to judge them there.
Thank you for sharing your very interesting heritage.
How funny. My German Grandmother landed in Alberta Canada, when her family emigrated there. That was in the early 20th century. She later moved to Washington State. I still have cousins and various relatives in Alberta, but we've lost touch. When I was an early teen I ran away to go to Haight Ashbury--that was in the late 60s. But my friend, who was driving, totaled the car near Paradise, CA, and we went into detention back to WA State. Back then I was trying to be part of what I thought was a young person's "movement." I was actually running away from my Christian upbringing. So we share some of the same territory?
I sympathize. As I said, my Grandfather came to the US from the Ukraine. They were, however, Germans. They were likely mixed in with the Ukrainians. I've also done some genealogy work, and have confirmed these things. A relative told the story of their escape from Russian control. It was truly a thriller!
Yes, I don't want a world war, but neither do I want to ignore certain abuses in the world which, if ignored, will spread everywhere.
Yes, my grandfather from the Ukraine was very Christian, and sparked a strong religious bent in our family. We've been told that the politics in the Ukraine is corrupt. But we should never forget the people of Ukraine. Thanks.
Lovely! Thanks much.
So nice to hear your background. My grandfather set up a store in a German colony in Alberta. He learned German to communicate with them. Eventually, they moved into the city, where my father was born. There's a lot of intermixing between people that lived in Galacia, which is what the Ukraine was called for over 100 years before 1920. Poles (my maiden name is Polish) Germans, Jews, Ruthenians (what Ukrainians were originally called!) All lived that area, which was actually owned and run by Austria and to a lesser extent, Hungry. My husband's grandparents were German from Besserarabia, called Moldavia! But they lived less than 400 km from where my grandparents came from.
It is a small world! We do need to pray for peace, and that Satan would be restrained. God bless!
Yes, there's more, but I won't bore you with my own family's details--only what somewhat compares with yours. Yes, some of the documents of my relatives include Polish paperwork, if I remember correctly. And I think Ukraine was simply part of Russia--don't know the history well. My grandparents were Lutherans associated with the Moravian Church, if I'm not mistaken. Some of my relatives were fluent in Yiddish. One of my great grandmothers spoke 7 languages! Lovely woman she was, and clearly Christian. My brother and I, as young children, memorized and sang to her in German Silent Night and O Christmas tree just before she died.
My son-in-law had grandparents who went to the Moravian Church. Small world! They were both wonderful German women. One had an accent, one did not! It sounds like a beautiful way to go. Hearing the familiar words of 2 beautiful carols. I learned them both in German one time, for Christmas shows. Nothing sweeter than children's young voices. I taught music in elementary schools for 7 years, I always taught choir. I bet you sounded like angels.
I think she was in a nursing home. She had a beautiful Christian smile on her face when we sang. I have an old picture of her--looks like an angel! I still remember some of the words of those songs in German. Stille Nacht. O Tannenbaum.
Just to identify once again, my father started out teaching in an elementary school as well, and his forte was vocal music. He went on to other things, but remained all his life in education and music both. Fabulous pianist and organist! Unfortunately, I didn't get the DNA inheritance to do the same! That was left more to my brothers.
Wonderful to hear, thank you Angela and Randy
best wishes
In the midst of debates and discussions, there is an underlying current of genuine Christian fellowship. And I just love it when this happens, because God's fingerprints are always all over it. Stories told are identified with, with amazing precision. Very fun!
And He knew how our ancestors lives had intertwined to bring us all here together today.
And in Jesus , our best is still ahead of us.
Thank you Jesus.
And in Jesus , our best is still ahead of us.
Thank you Jesus.