TONGUES is a precious gift from God
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Proverbs 14:4 KJVIt's the established and "respectable" groups that don't want the Holy Spirit coming and messing things up!
After all, He's the God of order, right?
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox.
Some are willing to sacrifice (deny) power in order to keep their 'form' of godliness.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Proverbs 14:4 KJV
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox.
I get that it is worth the increase to tend then oxen's needs.
He knows us all so very individually.
best wishes
Further to the question regarding the ministry of IAN & JOYE JOHNSON & His Amazing Glory Ministries which you have promised to respond to when you have reviewed it I would like to ask you a more pertinent question touching upon Smith Wigglesworth and a claim made at a prophetic meeting as linked below:
http://catchthefire.com.au/2011/11/...ord-of-australias-mighty-revival-a-must-read/
Both these ministries cite Smith Wigglesworth in some detail and the link herein does so in a rather specific and weighty fashion.
What do you make of this?
I really LOOOOOOVE God's sense of humor....He confounds the wise with foolishness.
It's so freeing to not worry or be concerned what others think about you. I don't have to convince anyone of anything.
The Lord desires our love! He knows He has to teach us His Ways and reveal Himself to us because we are "clueless sheep" but He makes us as wise as the serpent and as harmless as the dove. He gives us His Holy Spirit to help us, guide us and lead us into all Truth, instruct us, correct us, comfort us and empower us to do the works of God with God's Love, Power and Authority, in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I'd rather just keep "First Love" vibrant and do nothing without God's Love!
So did David, just ask his wife, dancing in the Spirit down to his skibbies as the Ark of the Covenant was approaching his kingdom.
And then, God had the audacity to say David was a man after His Own Heart [this is where Cessationists preach modesty]
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So did David, just ask his wife, dancing in the Spirit down to his skibbies as the Ark of the Covenant was approaching his kingdom.
And then, God had the audacity to say David was a man after His Own Heart [this is where Cessationists preach modesty]
CS1, you quotet with other verses Mark 16,18.
Which said that:" they shall lay hands on the sick and they will recover."
I am shure no serious Christian is denying that God is healing or doing miracles today.
But if we compare the time of Christ on earth or the apostolic time ( beginning of the church) with today we see an difference in the quantity of miracles and healings.
Why? In first line this miracles/ healings were done to proof the gospel and the ministry of Jesus and the apostles.
Of couse today as his children I believe our father is taking care of us every day and minute. But this means not that he is taking away all difficulties ore sicknesses from us.
If he is not healing us, then he is carying us through.
And yes, he is doing miracles today as you wrote from Emma. And for that the glory belongs to our father!
Yes, we find many such answers of prayers.
But not only the miracles and healings are a Tool to be a witness for others? Why? Because the enemy also is useing this Tool.
Jesus statet thst in Future people will comevto him and claim that they cast out demons and did miracles in his name. And Jesus will say to them: "Go away i dont know you."
Thats why I said it is also an witness for others if we are talking and acting as children of God.
( 1. Peter 2,12, Matth. 5,16, 1.Tim. 6,18, col.3,17,
1. John 3, 18)
To your final question. I would pray to the Lord to heal Him if it is in his will.
I quoted: Mark 16:15-18
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. That is for us today has not stopped.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned. Salvation has not stopped. It is for today
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
You say, " But if we compare the time of Christ on earth or the apostolic time ( beginning of the church) with today we see an difference in the quantity of miracles and healings."
NO, it is not; that is your own personal opinion. If you base the number of Miracles and healings, you read about in the word of God and suggest it is not the same as it was then? Wow, you can see the whole world as it spins? You say you are sure "no serious Christian is denying that God is healing or doing miracles today." Then you deny they are happening, just not at the level that will groom your human intellect.
You can't compare the times of Christ. For that to happen, let's take Germany and have overtaken by Russia FOR FOUR HUNDRED YEARS and remove the Language of Germany and change it to Greek. In addition, have a dark age for 400 years before the coming of Christ in HIS Incarnation.
BUT Faith TRANSENDS time and God is still moved by faith. You would pray to have God Heal if it is His will? Are you not to pray according to HIS will? IF so is it not God's will we are to pray for healing and believe God will?
You keep bringing up a false narrative you are like a half-baked cake. On one hand, God can Heal, then you say "But this means not that he is taking away all difficulties ore sicknesses from us."
What does that even mean? And you say the answer to prayer is that not a Miracle? Emma's life and the healing of her body and coming out of death is only an answer to prayer? IT is NOT a miracle? OR it does not measure up to your standard of one?
1Pet 2:12? Matthew 5:16? 1tim 5:16?
what are you trying to say?
those verses do not suggest we are not to pray for the sick or visit the widows and take care of the orphans? OR at the expense of preaching the Gospel. What are you trying to say ?
In the real world, godly believers who have prayed for healing in the name of Jesus, fully believing that it is God's will to heal, have not been healed.
Yes. Healing is part of the atonement, but not every saved person gets healed, so there has to be another explanation of how that works. The realistic view is that the atonement is not fully realised until we are resurrected in our glorified bodies when Jesus comes again. That is when the effects of the atonement are fully completed and we are resurrected in new bodies that don't get sick.
You do not know that. I will ask you one qestion. Your counter part did notanswer. What is Healing ?
When I decided to make divine healing as my research dissertation for my M.Div, I went to my favourite Christian second hand book shop and bought up books by every author I could find on divine healing. As a result I compiled a comprehensive collection of books dealing with the good, bad and ugly about divine healing. My research work involved reading through all those books, compiling a bibliography, a literature review, a research report, then a first draft of the completed dissertation. It went to over 100 pages. It involved a comprehensive study of divine healing in Scripture, then through church history, and after that current practice by the range of divine healing ministries, including an analysis of the various results. The dissertation was completed with my conclusions. I also included an analysis of an article by a prominent cessationist author dealing with each point he made concerning the cessation of divine healing at the end of the Apostolic Age.
My conclusion after all my research was that God does heal people today, but it is not on demand, but God is totally sovereign about whom He decides to heal and whom He decides not to heal. But every sick believer should ask God for healing, and then leave it up to Him for the rest. The research study achieve a 95% grade, and it resulted in my book, "The Divine Healing Ministry, Then and Now" which I published through Amazon Kindle and paperback.
The point I am making is that to get the best view of any Christian topic, including tongues, healing, deliverance, etc., is to study the Scriptures, and read every author who wrote about it, including those who wrote in opposition. This is how I gained a comprehensive view of spiritual warfare. I bought and read every author I could find. That way, I gained a good appreciation of what the range of authors thought about it. Then I could come to my own conclusions without becoming unbalanced one way or the other.
I came to my conclusions on the gift of tongues by comparing a standard Cessationist study with actual Scripture and found that Cessationist authors tend to concentrate on selected verses of Scripture, often out of context, and ignore other sections of Scriptures that contradict their view. Also I found that they take a clear statement of Scripture that explains the nature and use of tongues and try to say that the Apostle didn't really mean what he said. It showed me that Cessationist theory is totally unbalanced and one-sided, and really does not fool anyone who takes the time to do comprehensive research through Scripture and written testimony of the many who have experienced the gift and the blessing that it produces.