Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!
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That’s a bit shortsighted since it doesn’t take into account the additional verses. The second death will be painful, but it isn’t eternal conscious torment.
Revelation 2:11
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Again, the unrighteous don’t live forever under conditions.
Revelation 2:11
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Again, the unrighteous don’t live forever under conditions.
Then you believe in the eternal Hell!
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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No Duckybill, that’s just your interpretation of the Bible. It doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means. My interpretation is more accurate and I’ve extensively covered that. You’ve been refuted repeatedly using scripture and at this point your only retort is posting the same Bible verses over and over again. How long do you want to do this?
Your Bible interpretation and mangling of scripture is a hot mess. We don’t just throw random verses together that talk about fire and punishment when they don’t even match the argument you’re trying to support.
Nail in the coffin 1: The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus doesn’t say it lasts forever, the rich man was not weeping, or gnashing his teeth. While engulfed in flames he was completely cognizant and arguably more polite than you’ve been in this thread.
Nail in the coffin 2: Revelation 20:10 says that only three persons are tormented forever: the devil, beast, and false prophet.
Nail in the coffin 3: Hebrews 2:14 says the devil is destroyed.
Nail in the coffin 4: Revelation 20:14 and 21:8 say the lake of fire is the second death.
Nail in the coffin 5: The eternal flames are the unquenchable fires of the lake of fire. The eternal punishment is death.
Your false doctrine has been nailed closed and buried. I’m done arguing with intellectually dishonest people.
Nail in the coffin 1: The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus doesn’t say it lasts forever, the rich man was not weeping, or gnashing his teeth. While engulfed in flames he was completely cognizant and arguably more polite than you’ve been in this thread.
Nail in the coffin 2: Revelation 20:10 says that only three persons are tormented forever: the devil, beast, and false prophet.
Nail in the coffin 3: Hebrews 2:14 says the devil is destroyed.
Nail in the coffin 4: Revelation 20:14 and 21:8 say the lake of fire is the second death.
Nail in the coffin 5: The eternal flames are the unquenchable fires of the lake of fire. The eternal punishment is death.
Your false doctrine has been nailed closed and buried. I’m done arguing with intellectually dishonest people.
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Random verses? Interpretation? You keep making up your fairy tale and TWISTING the Words of Jesus.
Parable is YOUR word not Jesus'!
Let's try again. Maybe you will understand.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Parable is YOUR word not Jesus'!
Let's try again. Maybe you will understand.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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two of those are nouns and the other is a verb.
that was part of 'what are these' ?
- sorting out that they are referring to two different things.
I think that's clearly what Jesus is referring to when He uses the word gehenna. He says don't fear someone who can only destroy your body, but fear Who can destroy also the soul in gehenna.
If Jesus was just talking about a valley where waste was dumped, then this saying would be senseless. Any man could kill you and dump your corpse in a dumpster. So what?
But God can put your body and soul in the lake of fire prepared for the devil.
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Its is an ode. Song of Moses. It is poetry.
Same talk different expressions
Mark 9:43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Gehenna, unquenchable
Matthew 18:8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
No Gehenna, everlasting
Luke 17:3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
No Gehenna, No fire
I think I submitted this before. It means Luke did not get the memo of hell either. The concept of hell was not officially expounded, it is just rhetoric.
Submit to the leader. Don't make things up. Gehenna is a place of destruction. Poetic rhetoric
James 3:1My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. 2For in many things we offend all.
Prov 6:16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
More rhetoric as these speak of the same concept.
Where is it expounded the levels of hell and there are versions of hell. I'll let you settle the details with posthuman and thelearner. It is get too fantastic down there.
Same talk different expressions
Mark 9:43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Gehenna, unquenchable
Matthew 18:8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
No Gehenna, everlasting
Luke 17:3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
No Gehenna, No fire
I think I submitted this before. It means Luke did not get the memo of hell either. The concept of hell was not officially expounded, it is just rhetoric.
Submit to the leader. Don't make things up. Gehenna is a place of destruction. Poetic rhetoric
James 3:1My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. 2For in many things we offend all.
Prov 6:16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
More rhetoric as these speak of the same concept.
Where is it expounded the levels of hell and there are versions of hell. I'll let you settle the details with posthuman and thelearner. It is get too fantastic down there.
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