TONGUES is a precious gift from God

[Aidan1]

Maybe if you were not speaking from your bias you would understand.

That it is God who confirms HIS word with Signs and Wonders. Which do still happens today.

• God saves today
• God still heals
• God still moves by His Holy Spirit
• still breaking addiction

The first Church is the only church The body of Christ then as it is today. "Jesus said in "Mark 16:15-18

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. That is for us today has not stopped.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Salvation has not stopped it is for today

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

God is still performing miracles and signs and wonders TODAY. YOu are not seeing it that is because you do not believe AS Jesus said you must.
Hebrew 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I take the word of God over your opinion. I will introduce to you a woman who you can ask her, if the Power of God and prayer is working today.

This young mother was pregnant and caught COVID-19 so severely that she was placed on a ventilator and had both lungs failing. she was on life support in TX when my daughter told of this woman who we know The Holy Spirit Spoke and said she would not die. WE prayed and I posted on FB she is getting better. In fact, you got worst. My daughter came too and said Dad she is not getting better they are calling the parents to see her for the last time "she will not make it through the night". The devil is a liar.

We continued to pray and the parents moved her to AZ where she again was told by the doctors she has no brain activity, and will not make it. She gave both to a premature baby by C section. then GOD showed UP with a sign and wonder from those who have been praying. Her lungs began to clear and she woke up, she started to communicate and breathe without oxygen. She moved out of ICU and was able to hold her baby. She now just got done writing of her experience and HOW The Lord was with her through it all.

No Covid, no brain damage, No birth defects, No death, No funeral to plan as Doctors insisted the parent's plan.

Emma Kate Plummer


Miracle of God her baby that one

Emma Kate Plummer

in the picture below IS LIVING PROOF THAT the God of the Bible Heals and performance Sign& Wonders TODAY. To God be the Glory.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/plummer-blessing-fund?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer#:~:text=Plummer blessing fund

Where I did say, that God is working not today with miracles and wonders????
If you are missinterprete my writing, whatcto do?
Or will you realy tell my that God is only working through extraordinary wonders and miracles? Faith is coming through the word.
Romans 10,10-17! Miracles and wonders today can come from the devil, too,who is named the Angel of light! Thats why people run f.e to holy places like Fatima.

If you disagree with the saying that a Christian can be a witness for others when he talkes and Acts as an child of God and no need to have a special gift for to do this then I cant help you.
It seems that you Performance daily miracles and wonders as witness for others. Then in your church there are no sick believers and there are no deseases, when I understood you right.

Again I never have said that our heavenly father is not doing miracles and wonders today!!

 

[CS1]

Where I did say, that God is working not today with miracles and wonders????
If you are missinterprete my writing, whatcto do?
Or will you realy tell my that God is only working through extraordinary wonders and miracles? Faith is coming through the word.
Romans 10,10-17! Miracles and wonders today can come from the devil, too,who is named the Angel of light! Thats why people run f.e to holy places like Fatima.

If you disagree with the saying that a Christian can be a witness for others when he talkes and Acts as an child of God and no need to have a special gift for to do this then I cant help you.
It seems that you Performance daily miracles and wonders as witness for others. Then in your church there are no sick believers and there are no deseases, when I understood you right.

Again I never have said that our heavenly father is not doing miracles and wonders today!!

"Thats happend with the first time church, of course.
But for to be a witness today for others, you no need to perform miracles. ( except the Lord is doing it). To talk and act as an child of God today is an witness, for that you dont need a special gift."


You really need to stay with the context of your own response guy. The above was your response to me of what I said about why signs and wonder still are for today. You did not provide any Biblical response with Scripture to support your understanding.

I did. In addition, I provided Living Proof of a miracle of God which you completely ignored. Now you are back paddling and trying to make this about me as you have a habit of doing.

I said:

That it is God who confirms HIS word with Signs and Wonders. Which do still happens today.

• God saves today
• God still heals
• God still moves by His Holy Spirit
• still breaking addiction

and I provided the word of Jesus to support my understanding:

The first Church is the only church The body of Christ then as it is today. "Jesus said in "Mark 16:15-18

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. That is for us today has not stopped.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Salvation has not stopped it is for today

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

God is still performing miracles and signs and wonders TODAY. YOu are not seeing it that is because you do not believe AS Jesus said you must.
Hebrew 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Then you have the gall to make an assertion and frankly foolish statements Like

It seems that you Performance daily miracles and wonders as witness for others. Then in your church there are no sick believers and there are no deseases, when I understood you right.

Here you are doing what you accuse me of doing. Never said people in my church don't get sick AS EMMA was very sick UNTO DEATH! I guess you dismiss her powerful testimony? I do not perform miracles, God does. I believe God still does them today and I have seen him do so through the prayer of myself and others both men and women. I have seen God heal. AS I have provided for you Living Proof that your "First Church " comment was errored.

 

[Wansvic]

I'm only on page 4, and i really want to read everything before i comment, but this is where I'm at. I used to think that tongues had ended with the apostles because that was what i was taught. Then one sister at a mixed denominational ladies Bible study made a comment about who was anyone else to judge her in this, and that got me thinking. I didn't want to judge her when this was something that she truly believed and her heart was searching for God. Then there was this lady at a church i attended who had been a mentor to me, and she told me once about her experiences with tongues. She told me a story about miraculously being able to speak to someone in his language, which was one she had not been trained in. She also told me about being alone in her prayer room speaking in tongues in a heavenly language just between her and God, but she didn't understand it. She just knew that the Holy Spirit was speaking for her. That's the part i don't get. I'm not saying it's not true because I respect this woman and haven't ever heard her speak anything unbiblical. I don't get it, though. I don't get what the point is if you can't even understand it yourself. I do believe that the Holy Spirit intercedes for me, but I don't think it has to be in a special language. It could be that He just knows how to put words to something that i can't articulate. However, if God works in this way through some people, I'm not trying to limit Him. I'm interested. I stay in tune to these discussions, but I'm not judging either side. I do think that when it's public there should be interpretation/understanding from the listener. I also believe that one does not have to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit. We all have different gifts, and we have multiple gifts, but there's no one gift that proves you have the Holy Spirit on its own. I think that asserting that only encourages one to fake it. That's where I'm at for now, but I'll keep reading your posts as i have time. Thanks to all of you who back up what you're saying with scripture. I was a little disturbed to see a post that was almost all scripture with the disagree symbol. Be careful how you treat each other, guys.

Paul makes mention of mysteries that are spoken when one speaks to God via their spirit.

"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

Consider that people need God's intervention in their lives for reasons beyond their understanding. We are limited in prayer to circumstances we are aware of for ourselves and others. Praying in the spirit involves our renewed spirit making requests to God directly; spirit to Spirit. Those who speak in tongues are confident that their prayers prompt blessings God wishes to bestow on them as well as others.

 

[Oblio]

I know that there's a lot of "stuff" that goes on around it, but I thank the Lord for the gift of tongues.
Though I'm in the minority, I was alone when I received it. However, I was a Christian retreat.

 

[PaulChristensen]

I shared these thoughts a few days ago and last night I was given Scripture and meaning towards these thoughts.

Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation that shall come on all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth.

Isaiah 26:20-21
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


Most people think Revelation 3:10 means the Church is Rapture'd and won't face the hour of Temptation.

But the Holy Spirit instructed me I am facing these trials that have been more severe and greater recently so I can [overcome] the Hour of Temptation. Think of the Hour of Temptation in terms of [[the most severe peer pressure to Sin and Cave In to be like the World]].

I am going to suggest, if the World does not attack you when you are out and about, YOU NEED TO SEEK GOD IN A DESPERATE KIND OF WAY!

If people are not making fun of you, talking trash about you, lying about you, there is something desperately WRONG with Your walk in God. We are this CLOSE to the END of this Age and if the World looks at you and doesn't feel threatened, it's because you are closer to the World than you are to God!

It goes right along with the Scripture that says that those who live godly lives in Christ will experience persecution. (2 Timothy 3:12).

 

[PaulChristensen]

I won't lie I kind of got mad at God today. I have waited I have prayed I have given him my faith I have believed for so long without ever recieving and yet I still can't have just one miracle. I shouldn't have done it but I was so angry that I told him to prove his promises saying to him how obviously I am not able to have a miracle and then said prove me wrong other wise don't tell me to believe and have faith because I have given you everything I can

maybe some people just can't have miracles......

There is nothing in the New Testament that promises miracles from God on demand. The definitive Scripture that settles the issues is Philippians 4:6-7:
"Be not anxious for anything, but by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and the peace of God that passes all understand will keep your heart and mind in Christ Jesus."

God is sovereign. He does things according to HIs own will. He has promised never to leave or forsake us, and the indwelling Holy Spirit makes sure of this.

The Scripture says that in this world we will have tribulation; therefore, in the good times we rejoice in the Lord and enjoy the blessings. In the times of testing and suffering, we bear it in patience. The Scripture says that with patience comes experience and with experience hope and hope makes not ashamed. When our faith is tested in the fire of testing, it comes out the other end as fine gold. God refines us through the things we suffer. Peter said not to be surprised at the fiery trial that comes upon us as something unusual. The Scripture also says that we are not to only believe, but to suffer for HIs sake. It has been said that the beauty of God's Word is more clearly seen through tear-filled eyes.

 

[CS1]

There is nothing in the New Testament that promises miracles from God on demand. The definitive Scripture that settles the issues is Philippians 4:6-7:
"Be not anxious for anything, but by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and the peace of God that passes all understand will keep your heart and mind in Christ Jesus."

God is sovereign. He does things according to HIs own will. He has promised never to leave or forsake us, and the indwelling Holy Spirit makes sure of this.

The Scripture says that in this world we will have tribulation; therefore, in the good times we rejoice in the Lord and enjoy the blessings. In the times of testing and suffering, we bear it in patience. The Scripture says that with patience comes experience and with experience hope and hope makes not ashamed. When our faith is tested in the fire of testing, it comes out the other end as fine gold. God refines us through the things we suffer. Peter said not to be surprised at the fiery trial that comes upon us as something unusual. The Scripture also says that we are not to only believe, but to suffer for HIs sake. It has been said that the beauty of God's Word is more clearly seen through tear-filled eyes.

That is a false narrative. no one is demanding. The Bible teaches healing is part of salvation SOZO is salvation. healing and deliverance. WE come to God asking for them as we need them. We ask because we believe HE can and does do them. There are gifts given to the church that are listed in the word of God that is still used today which one is healing and the working of miracles.

WE still must come to the Lord and ask HIM in the name of Jesus to do them. I have been healed of many things yet, I will if the Lord Tarry's will die someday. That is not to suggest God doesn't heal because I died. BUT Jesus said to believe in me and if not in me the very works that I do. I believe what Jesus said and I have seen them. To God be the Glory.

John 14:12-14
12“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

 

[PaulChristensen]

That is a false narrative. no one is demanding. The Bible teaches healing is part of salvation SOZO is salvation. healing and deliverance. WE come to God asking for them as we need them. We ask because we believe HE can and does do them. There are gifts given to the church that are listed in the word of God that is still used today which one is healing and the working of miracles.

WE still must come to the Lord and ask HIM in the name of Jesus to do them. I have been healed of many things yet, I will if the Lord Tarry's will die someday. That is not to suggest God doesn't heal because I died. BUT Jesus said to believe in me and if not in me the very works that I do. I believe what Jesus said and I have seen them. To God be the Glory.

John 14:12-14
12“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

It seems that what you are saying is that everyone who comes to God and asks for healing in the Name of Jesus should get immediately healed of whatever medical condition they have.

But is that happening? No.

So there seems to be a contradiction between what you are asserting, and what is really happening. How do you explain that?

 

[CS1]

It seems that what you are saying is that everyone who comes to God and asks for healing in the Name of Jesus should get immediately healed of whatever medical condition they have.

But is that happening? No.

So there seems to be a contradiction between what you are asserting, and what is really happening. How do you explain that?

NO, not at all. You can't show me where I even said that. You must be listening to K. Copeland or something and equating his comments to everyone with who you disagree.

That is your false narrative. I have and many others said many times God says yes, no, and not yet. BUT I believe in YES every time because I believe I am asking according to HIS will. I do believe God can heal and has healed every condition known to man even if I have not seen it today. Yet, I know he does heal and I have seen people healed in the name of Jesus, as well as I have seen those not healed. FYI even, Jesus, had the same thing happen to him. There is no contradiction between what I have said. Just in your false narrative, you conjured it up.



"But is that happening?"

Yes it is happening in fact I provided Living Proof of Emma Plummer in this thread which I see you must have just overlooked at did Adian1

 

[Rhomphaeam]

NO, not at all. You can't show me where I even said that. You must be listening to K. Copeland or something and equating his comments to everyone with who you disagree.

That is your false narrative. I have and many others said many times God says yes, no, and not yet. BUT I believe in YES every time because I believe I am asking according to HIS will. I do believe God can heal and has healed every condition known to man even if I have not seen it today. Yet, I know he does heal and I have seen people healed in the name of Jesus, as well as I have seen those not healed. FYI even, Jesus, had the same thing happen to him. There is no contradiction between what I have said. Just in your false narrative, you conjured it up.



"But is that happening?"

Yes it is happening in fact I provided Living Proof of Emma Plummer in this thread which I see you must have just overlooked at did Adian1

Well I didn't overlook it. But my question must be when do you know that it is God's will for someone to be healed?

 

[CS1]

Well I didn't overlook it. But my question must be when do you know that it is God's will for someone to be healed?

The qestion is why do you not know when it is GOD? Did you read the testimony? smh.

 

[CS1]

I think some here if a person was in the hospital sick and asked them to come and see them because they are professing Christian would bring a shovel instead of oil.

 

[Aidan1]

"Thats happend with the first time church, of course.
But for to be a witness today for others, you no need to perform miracles. ( except the Lord is doing it). To talk and act as an child of God today is an witness, for that you dont need a special gift."


You really need to stay with the context of your own response guy. The above was your response to me of what I said about why signs and wonder still are for today. You did not provide any Biblical response with Scripture to support your understanding.

I did. In addition, I provided Living Proof of a miracle of God which you completely ignored. Now you are back paddling and trying to make this about me as you have a habit of doing.

I said:

That it is God who confirms HIS word with Signs and Wonders. Which do still happens today.

• God saves today
• God still heals
• God still moves by His Holy Spirit
• still breaking addiction

and I provided the word of Jesus to support my understanding:

The first Church is the only church The body of Christ then as it is today. "Jesus said in "Mark 16:15-18

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. That is for us today has not stopped.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Salvation has not stopped it is for today

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

God is still performing miracles and signs and wonders TODAY. YOu are not seeing it that is because you do not believe AS Jesus said you must.
Hebrew 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Then you have the gall to make an assertion and frankly foolish statements Like

It seems that you Performance daily miracles and wonders as witness for others. Then in your church there are no sick believers and there are no deseases, when I understood you right.

Here you are doing what you accuse me of doing. Never said people in my church don't get sick AS EMMA was very sick UNTO DEATH! I guess you dismiss her powerful testimony? I do not perform miracles, God does. I believe God still does them today and I have seen him do so through the prayer of myself and others both men and women. I have seen God heal. AS I have provided for you Living Proof that your "First Church " comment was errored.

It seems you dont understand me. Instead you just ignore what I said.
But this is typical.
My statement has nothing to do with Emma!
Of course I believe that God is doing miracles and wonders today and he also heals people.
But he heals today not every sick believer. As your statement suggest.
It is possible to be a witness to other people in talking and acting as child of God. Is what I said. This is biblical and I would expect that as bible reading child of God you would know it.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

The qestion is why do you not know when it is GOD? Did you read the testimony? smh.

It surprises me how some brethren can laugh at a comment that included an agreement to the healing of a mother and safe deliverance of a child - and then simply ask a question that you could scarcely fathom is easily answered and would take a rather sobering position.
I won't explain why unless you insist on it - but why don't you answer my question because you told the brother that he was making a false narrative because he pointed out that God does not always heal those who ask in the name of Jesus - and then you explained that you always pray according to God's will. So I asked how do you know what the will of God is when praying for others to be healed.

So now you tell me that I must not have read the post @#1,279 - otherwise presumably I wouldn't have to have asked the question. Your comment to the brother which I was responding to was qualified with the expression every time @#1,289 - as I say I could give you a very clear explanation why your narrative is mistaken if you intend to explain the sovereign will of the Father by your means.

 

[CS1]

It seems you dont understand me. Instead you just ignore what I said.
But this is typical.
My statement has nothing to do with Emma!
Of course I believe that God is doing miracles and wonders today and he also heals people.
But he heals today not every sick believer. As your statement suggest.
It is possible to be a witness to other people in talking and acting as child of God. Is what I said. This is biblical and I would expect that as bible reading child of God you would know it.

Listen don't make this about me, ok. Just read the Testimony of Emma Plummer and see HER New Baby that she gave birth to. See how she was told that she would not make it through the night BUT GOD healed her and has carried her through.


Do you have the ability to be thankful for PRAISE WORTHY REPORT? Or are you just going to say " But he heals today not every sick believer."


My statement suggested no such thing, that came from your false narrative. You need to be truthful. Nowhere have I ever said God heals every sick believer But HE can, and the word of God tell us "Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all." Ps 34:19

"It is possible to be a witness to other people in talking and acting as child of God. Is what I said. This is biblical and I would expect that as bible reading child of God you would know it"


Being a witness is also praying for the sick and seeing them recover. Let me ask you this being you are so pessimistic.

If a person was in the hospital and told they would not make it through the week would you pray that they would be based on your faith in God would you give to what the doctor said about the person not making it past the week?

What would you do? Please tell me

 

[Heaven_Bound]

It goes right along with the Scripture that says that those who live godly lives in Christ will experience persecution. (2 Timothy 3:12).

Amen!

 

[KarynLouise]

I meant not all posts. I meant the one i quotet in my last post. Thank you!

Yes the Holy Spirit leads to the truth!
According millions of oneness pentecostals Christians which do not speaking in tongues are not saved. Millions of RCC believers claimes to be baptised with the Holy Spirit and speakingbin tongues, but believing all the RCC doctrines.
Would you say that the Holy Spirit supports false teachings?
We are talking here about speaking in tongues. Right!
But the teaching about it supports not what the bible teaches.

According 1.Cor. 12-14 is speaking a tongues a gift like any other mentioned gift, too.
A gift which not all receive, according 1. Cor. 12,30.
And it is in the church not depend from a second baptism or an special Level of spiritual life.
It was given, like the other gifts when someone was bornagain and received the Holy Spirit.
The events which mentioned in Acts 2,8,10 and 19 have nothing to do with the speaking in tongues which we find in 1. COR .
Those events were made for to show that Jesus came for all mankind and not only for an special nation or group of people.

According what we learn in 1. COR. the gift of speaking in tongues should be normal in every Christian group/church. ( not for all believers) through the whole churchhistory.

But the fact is, that however, it seems to end in the first centurys after the apostolic time. Except out of in cults, or in combination with gospel messages speaking in tongues occur not in the churches.
For example in australia speaking in tongues began after an woman ( i have not the name now) came in contact with the azusastreet movement and spread it then in australia
In germany the azusa movement came in 1906. Before this tongues where not practised according 1. COR. in the churches.
At for shure not, as it was taught in azusa.

If speaking in tongues would be normal given as gift today for the worldwide church. Then we would have this without azusa movement or all this charismatic movements
normaly in the church and would not discuss about this issue.

And again, I am believing that the Holy Spirit works today in many ways to open the hearts of people. And without Him we could not live
as believers.
And I believe also that he can do this throuh giving the gift of speaking in tongues.
For that he is God and can do everything!

But i dont believing the teachings from pentecostals/ charismatics regarding this issue, because I cant find taught this in the bible to other believers.

I know that they base their believing on the scripture. But for that they have to create an own doctrine and must interprete the scripture out of the context and must ignore scripture.

And now you can stone me!

I take great offense to anyone saying that someone who doesn't speak in tongues is not saved. The only salvation issue is that we believe in Jesus and accept Him as our savior. I'm not going to condemn you because I don't think you practice your faith perfectly. If I see you doing something that's unbiblical, I'll show you what the Bible says about it, but I'm not going to say you're not saved because of it.

 

[Oblio]

I take great offense to anyone saying that someone who doesn't speak in tongues is not saved. The only salvation issue is that we believe in Jesus and accept Him as our savior. I'm not going to condemn you because I don't think you practice your faith perfectly. If I see you doing something that's unbiblical, I'll show you what the Bible says about it, but I'm not going to say you're not saved because of it.

I accepted Christ into my heart in 1973. I was water-baptized in a Pentecostal church in 1975. They tried to get me to speak in tongues, but it just didn't happen. I got the gift of tongues in 2000, while at a ministry retreat.

 

[KarynLouise]

NO Jesus is King the text must be in context with the application to know the authorial intent. If you are going to try and teach Hermentuetics to know those linguistics are not authoritative manty of us are learned in Greek and Hebrew. One doesn't have to be
linguistics to know Greek or Hebrew I speak five languages in including used in the gift of tongues. The modern tongue is a secular approach to supernatural empowerment. Human intellect is king not the word of God.

I must be missing something somewhere because I'm sure you wouldn't say that human intellect is king, not the word of God

 

[KarynLouise]

I made it to page 28, but I'm giving up now. There's just too much putting each other down.