what are your thoughts of Apostle Kathryn Krick

[Nehemiah6]

Just one comment to make: “apostle” is a role, not a title.

Rather than "role" it should be "ministry" and "spiritual gift". But there are only twelve apostles of the Lamb, and they have all passed on. However their names are written in the twelve foundations of the wall of the New Jerusalem, So anyone claiming to be an apostle today is being presumptuous.

 

[Artios1]

I would like to see where is the word of God does it say that a Christian who has the Holy Spirit can be demon-possessed?

In addition, the word of God very clearly says light has no fellowship with darkness. Unless the house that was clean is Found empty then it can be taken

I am not sure I know of any in the epistles ....
The gospels are good for reference, but nobody in the time of Christ was born again until after Pentecost

 

[Rhomphaeam]

I guess my answer won’t really surprise you now, since you probably figured out what my answer will be.

The answer to the question is…. Yes, born again Christian can become possessed with devil spirits. The only thing that cannot happen to a Christian is committing the unforgivable sin….That is only applicable to those not born again. No matter how far a Christian slides or how possessed a Christian becomes…the unforgivable sin is off the table….they cannot commit it.

Possession does not alter or affect the spirit of God we have within…. because possession is of the physical nature; be it any part of the body or mind….it’s all within the physical realm

The spirit of God is absolutely incorruptible it liveth and abideth forever….it’s unalterable and unremovable. You could no more remove or change the spirit of God, than you could remove the genetic seed of your earthly father within you ….and that genetic seed is in the physical realm.

When devil spirits (demons) possess they will take over all or part of a physical body..or mind.

BUT…Just like any natural person of body and soul… a Christian (body, soul and spirit) must open themselves up. However, Christians are less likely to open themselves up to possession because the majority live a different life.

Disclosure: (very surface level)

This field was my playground before God rescued me…that was a lifetime ago. When I say playground, I was a ranking priest for a coven outside Chicago for a few years….. Things went bad (actually good) … after meeting a girl who was a Christian. And it didn’t go well for me with the spirit friends I thought I controlled. But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us….literally pulled me out of the grips of death and kept me safe in his arms while I was transforming. Many things happened during that transformation that are still pretty raw…... I didn't realize it until I tried to get into depth with this, but I couldn’t.... I started reliving it and became an emotional blubber. But if you have any question maybe I can answer w/o becoming to emotional.

One simple mechanism in words to explain this possession you refer to when you say "Yes, born again Christian can become possessed with devil spirits" is the occult expression psychophysical umbilicus. You say you were a ranking coven priest and that in occult meanings would predicate to a more open satanic meaning than the occult meaning I am speaking about. Still you did speak of the control you thought you had - and now you also speak of your own emotional charge when reflecting on these things deeply.

In rather the same way your soul inhabits your body (by the connective tissue that makes it visible to others) so demonic spirits influence the mind. That connective tissue is called the psychophysical umbilicus in strictly occult terms. But it is a mistake to assert that demons can possess believers even when they can and do influence the mind. Believers are much more likely to act against themselves through the natural mind than they are likely to be directly possessed. Your body meaning when you speak of possession must also include the brain structures - including the (psychophysical umbilicus) link that holds the soul to the tent of the body. And that meaning is often expressed in psychological terms.

One way in which our own soul expresses itself to others is in the realm of emotions. So unsurprisingly it is emotion that often forms the basis for this kind of influence. Fear and anger are the two most visible evidences of this effect. And neither fear nor anger are of themselves sins. Yet we are told to fear not and we are told to sin not in our anger. Adam (fear) Cain (anger) are the biblical source for that meaning grounded in the mind and the body.

None of this is to say that demonic unclean spirits don't have a real influence on believers - it is to chiefly express its most basic meaning - soul and body expressions - as opposed to the born again believer. Of course when we are ministering to others that exhibit demonic and outward expressions it may for all that be appropriate to speak to a demonic effect as to an unclean spirit and yet to not be speaking to the man until he is delivered of that oppressive effect brought on my unclean spirits.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The original 11, Matthias by lot, and Paul on the road to Damascus. Yes, these men where hand picked.

yeah that’s sort of my point in the. New testament nothing is done by casting lots but by Jesus word Peter had not refeived the Holy Ghost himself when they cast lots and chose Matthias he was never instructed to do that by Jesus

Christ doesn’t choose apostles by Old Testament means he appears to them in person like the eleven and the only other person in scripture after that to see him and receive the great commission as the other apostles is Paul

my point is that Matthias was the only one chosen by casting lots without the Holy Ghost me thing Jesus told them not to do until they received the spirit

there are only 12 apostles pointed by Jesus himself the eleven and Paul

again Matthias wasn’t chosen by Jesus but by peters impetuous decision to cast lots as in the Old Testament

it’s only my own view but the distinction of an apostle is what only 12 men received from Jesus Christ eleven before his resurrection me only 1 after his resurrection

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Rather than "role" it should be "ministry" and "spiritual gift". But there are only twelve apostles of the Lamb, and they have all passed on. However their names are written in the twelve foundations of the wall of the New Jerusalem, So anyone claiming to be an apostle today is being presumptuous.

amen and just like Jesus said even today we still are hearing thier anointed and commissioned witness of the gospel in scripture

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I would like to see where is the word of God does it say that a Christian who has the Holy Spirit can be demon-possessed?

In addition, the word of God very clearly says light has no fellowship with darkness. Unless the house that was clean is Found empty then it can be taken

yeah it’s a matter of repentance and remission of sins and then receiving the Gospel to fill up The spaces in us and create faith through hearing and believing filling us with his spirit

 

[CS1]

I am not sure I know of any in the epistles ....
The gospels are good for reference, but nobody in the time of Christ was born again until after Pentecost

I disagree John chapter 20: 22 was before Pentecost and after Jesus rose from the Dead. The point is there is nothing g in scripture saying a Christian can be possessed by a demon. Therefore we can't assume it can be so.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I disagree John chapter 20: 22 was before Pentecost and after Jesus rose from the Dead. The point is there is nothing g in scripture saying a Christian can be possessed by a demon. Therefore we can't assume it can be so.

yeah I can’t think of a single reference . The people mankind are filled with the spirit of The world and need to convert to Christ and be born of God

the thing is receiving the Holy Ghost up front is o my a deposit guaranteeing that if we repent and believe the gospel we’ll be saved. We still have to follow the spirit when we receive it t the first we grow up like children and follow after the word of spirit and life by which we grow d get stronger and walk better and straighter until all we know is following Christ our savior and Lord

it’s a life long process we’re undertaking. If we think back ten years were different now and ten years from now we’ll be wiser and better runners in the faith

first be held and comforted and nurtured then learn to crawl and trust the father , but then eventually we have to start learning to do this tommake our calling and election sure

“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s not just receiving the spirit but we have to start walking in him following after him learning from him and believing in him trusting his word

Notice how we receive the spirit first but then you see we’re always moving forward and growing andd being diligent

“According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:3-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we receive the spirit as a deposit up front before we have learned to walk in the spirit of we don’t don That part then we would be in the unfruitful group

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6:4-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:

and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:2-3, 6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to follow after the gospel just receiving the spirit and then living like we’re full of the worlds spirit isn’t gonna save us we have to start walking in our new Christian spirit

 

[SomeDisciple]

I immediately noticed she wasn't using Jesus' name. After about fifteen seconds, I just felt so embarrassed for the people in the video, I couldn't keep watching it. Whoever sat through that whole thing- you guys deserve a gold star.

 

[Artios1]

I immediately noticed she wasn't using Jesus' name. After about fifteen seconds, I just felt so embarrassed for the people in the video, I couldn't keep watching it. Whoever sat through that whole thing- you guys deserve a gold star.

I just kept seeing more and more things that were off. I thought the pretend possessed person did a fairly decent job of acting which is why I gave her a 3.... Kathryn, not so good of a job.

 

[Gideon300]

I saw this woman on FB and then on Youtube and her deliverance ministry. I am posting this because I see she is part of the church known as 5Fold Church.

I am only wanting a biblical response to please to her teaching and what you see in the videos/ Teaching. If you are just going to say comments that are insulting, please just move on.

Thank you

Sorry, it's a circus. Evil spirits and demons have no choice but to obey in the name of Jesus. The weakest of those born again have authority and power over all the power of the enemy. I've been involved in deliverance work for decades and I've never seen anything like this.

Christians can be bound by evil spirits. Peter asked Ananias, "Why has Satan filled your heart?" But Ananias was also responsible for giving into the temptation. "The devil made me do it" was a phrase coined by Flip Wilson, a comedian. It's not at all Biblical.

Apostle? I wonder on what basis she makes that claim?

 

[pottersclay]

I would have to say to much drama. Not real at all.
I've seen possession first hand and this is not even close.
I've seen no such thing as a Deliverance ministry mentioned in the bible.
Possession is not a spectators sport, it is very frightening and evil.
IMO this is what causes people to disbelieve.

 

[Marilyn]

I saw this woman on FB and then on Youtube and her deliverance ministry. I am posting this because I see she is part of the church known as 5Fold Church.

I am only wanting a biblical response to please to her teaching and what you see in the videos/ Teaching. If you are just going to say comments that are insulting, please just move on.

Thank you]

I was brought up in a denomination of the 5-fold (ascension) ministries. I grew up with Prophets, Apostles etc. My uncle and grandfather were recognised as Apostles throughout the world in our denomination. Now this was back in the `50`s and this movement came from the Welsh revival. My grandfather and family came out from Scotland to bring the revelation of the 5-fold ministry, (in the `30`s) to Australia.

Thus said Apostles reveal the Headship of Christ, His character, in a marked way. They are not CEO`s of organisations, not just someone who casts out demons. Believers can do that too.

I also thought it unwise to have the demonic so displayed for so long. Pray the young girl is set free and that it wasn`t just a `show.`

Could write more on Apostles but that is enough unless you may want to ask a question.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I immediately noticed she wasn't using Jesus' name. After about fifteen seconds, I just felt so embarrassed for the people in the video, I couldn't keep watching it. Whoever sat through that whole thing- you guys deserve a gold star.

sort of like the “holy rollers “ back in the old days

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sorry, it's a circus. Evil spirits and demons have no choice but to obey in the name of Jesus. The weakest of those born again have authority and power over all the power of the enemy. I've been involved in deliverance work for decades and I've never seen anything like this.

Christians can be bound by evil spirits. Peter asked Ananias, "Why has Satan filled your heart?" But Ananias was also responsible for giving into the temptation. "The devil made me do it" was a phrase coined by Flip Wilson, a comedian. It's not at all Biblical.

Apostle? I wonder on what basis she makes that claim?

“Sorry, it's a circus. Evil spirits and demons have no choice but to obey in the name of Jesus.”

thats actually Not true heres an example

“Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It matters whom the Christian is of they are genuine or just saying the words paul was a genuine disciple of Jesus so the evil spirit knew him too when Paul preached in Jesus name there was power in his word .

when those who tried commanding evil spirits in Jesus name who weren’t genuine disciples there was no power but to anger the evil spirit d cause it to attack them and it overcame them

if we are disciples of Christ his name is tied to us through baptism

 

[Marilyn]

Yes, I see your point too, however, Paul was not chosen to replace Judas. Paul was chosen by Christ for a specific work.

And there are many more Apostles mentioned in God`s word.

The difference between the 12 Apostles and the Apostles given by the Lord when He ascended-

The 12 Apostles had to have walked with the Lord on earth, seen His life, death, resurrection and ascension. They were to be His witnesses to such things and proclaim Him Lord and Christ. (Acts 1: 22, 2: 36) They are called the Apostles of the Lamb in relation to God`s purpose for Israel.

The Apostles that the Lord gave when He ascended to the Father are `for the equipping the Body for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the Body of Christ.` (Eph. 4: 12) That is for God`s purpose for the Body of Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And there are many more Apostles mentioned in God`s word.

The difference between the 12 Apostles and the Apostles given by the Lord when He ascended-

The 12 Apostles had to have walked with the Lord on earth, seen His life, death, resurrection and ascension. They were to be His witnesses to such things and proclaim Him Lord and Christ. (Acts 1: 22, 2: 36) They are called the Apostles of the Lamb in relation to God`s purpose for Israel.

The Apostles that the Lord gave when He ascended to the Father are `for the equipping the Body for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the Body of Christ.` (Eph. 4: 12) That is for God`s purpose for the Body of Christ.

“And there are many more Apostles mentioned in God`s word.”

where are those many other references to many other apostles found ?

I know of one reference to barnabus when he was anointed for one mission with Paul other than that I’d like to see those

 

[justbyfaith]

Born again Christians cannot be demon-possessed (1 John 4:4); while not everyone who claims to be a Christian or says to Jesus, Lord, Lord, is necessarily born again (Matthew 7:21-23).

 

[Marilyn]

“And there are many more Apostles mentioned in God`s word.”

where are those many other references to many other apostles found ?

I know of one reference to barnabus when he was anointed for one mission with Paul other than that I’d like to see those

Hi Piligrim,

Thank you for your question.

Paul and Barnabus - ( Acts 14: 14)
Andronicus and Junia - (Rom. 16: 7)
James, the Lord`s brother - (Gal. 1: 19)
Apollos - (1 Cor. 3: 5, 1 Cor. 4: 1 Waymouth translate it - Apsotle)
Silvanus & Timothy - (1 Thess. 1: 1, 2: 6)
Epaphroditus - your messenger/Apostle. (Phil. 2: 25)
Titus - does the work of an Apostle. (Titus 1: 5)

 

[Marilyn]

And He Himself gave some to be Apostles, some Prophets, some evangelists, and some Pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the Body of Christ,

Till we all come to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the fullness of Christ..` (Eph. 4: 11 - 13)

The following is by (Pastor, Apostle) A. Gardiner, a former president of the Apostolic Church. (My uncle, whom I wrote to before he died concerning unity). This is part of what he wrote -

You cannot legislate for unity. God Himself, has designated a specific pattern and prerequisite for the Body of Christ to attain unity of the Faith, ie summation of Truth.

Paul states categorically, by revelation, that this unity of the Faith can only be achieved through the principle of Headship operating through Divinely designated Ministry Gifts - (Eph. 4: 1 - 16)

These ministries, bestowed by the ascended Lord Jesus, in addition develop His Body into spiritual maturity and understanding; stimulate the perfecting of the Christ life; and discern and promote the function and ministry of each member in the Body.

Regarding the acceptance generally and implementation of this truth, it is my considered opinion that God will intervene and do a quick work before the Jesus returns.