Do Jews still believe the Messiah is coming?

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ewq1938

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"The people" who are these people besides CHRIST having this Rod of Iron ...which is symbolic?

It might be symbolic and it could also be literal.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
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It might be symbolic and it could also be literal.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Okay, so you know that was a letter to a Church ....2,000 years ago ...right?
 
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Matthew 23:36-38
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
 
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Did "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ," in 2 Thessalonians 2, already happen if Matthew 16:28 says "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."?


You don't get to say JESUS was talking about His Transfiguration which was like a week later. He wouldn't have said "death" when talking about a couple of days.
 
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You know i'm someone attacking that sin you refuse to give up ...so this response is your smokescreen to protect it.

This comment is out of order! You know no one here personally, you know nothing about a persons relationship with Christ. You have no reason to make a judgement call against anyone here.
 
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This comment is out of order! You know no one here personally, you know nothing about a persons relationship with Christ. You have no reason to make a judgement call against anyone here.
This isn't our first sparring match ...he is a sinner ...you can't have sin in your life and expect to have a Temple that The HOLY SPIRIT is welcomed in.
 

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This isn't our first sparring match ...he is a sinner ...you can't have sin in your life and expect to have a Temple that The HOLY SPIRIT is welcomed in.

You don't know anything about me. You just one day made these weird accusations about sin...just a personal attack based on nothing.
 
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If GOD Generates what our spirits experience in this test, is sin asking GOD to leave Him out of it causing a dead spirit?
 
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This isn't our first sparring match ...he is a sinner ...you can't have sin in your life and expect to have a Temple that The HOLY SPIRIT is welcomed in.

ALL of us sin, none of us is perfect!! He is a Christian, he is covered in the blood of Christ. You have no say in the matter. His personal relationship isn't our business.
 
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That statement doesn't make a lick of sense.
Human spirit is your perception of reality. You either view this place through the Reborn Holy Image ...or you are a child of satan ...worldly.
 

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You don't get to say JESUS was talking about His Transfiguration which was like a week later. He wouldn't have said "death" when talking about a couple of days.
I'd agree that the transfiguration doesn't make much sense- I don't think anyone took up their cross before Jesus did; but I think the popular opinion is that he is talking about the vision of the Revelation.

I don't know why you're all worked up over pre-mil eschatology, though. Amils still believe in a second coming and judgement, right? So either way he is coming. If he wants to set up an earthly kingdom for 1000 yrs, or go right into judgement- it really makes no difference to me.
 
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I'd agree that the transfiguration doesn't make much sense- I don't think anyone took up their cross before Jesus did; but I think the popular opinion is that he is talking about the vision of the Revelation.

I don't know why you're all worked up over pre-mil eschatology, though. Amils still believe in a second coming and judgement, right? So either way he is coming. If he wants to set up an earthly kingdom for 1000 yrs, or go right into judgement- it really makes no difference to me.
John saw that vision ...that wasn't "some" ....that was one guy.

i am passionate about this because it might be a SALVATION issue. THE KINGDOM IS NOW. You are not bowing to our King if you are saying He will be one later.

SALVATION = You must enter The Kingdom of GOD ...that means become a Child of GOD ...that means becoming Reborn and upholding The Holy Image with Oil (HOLY SPIRIT ...GOD'S Presence). We get Represented on The Cross when we have His Son's Image. The Cross is The Way into The Kingdom.

It's difficult to remain on The Narrow Kingdom Path because you have to uphold The Truth/Light with GOD'S Spirit Guiding you ...with temptation all around you.
 
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ALL of us sin, none of us is perfect!! He is a Christian, he is covered in the blood of Christ. You have no say in the matter. His personal relationship isn't our business.
Romans 12: 1-2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Galatians 5:16-21
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Romans 12: 1-2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Galatians 5:16-21
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Oh here we go again, sigh. Another one. Don't tell me you never sin and you are perfect. If the men that walked with Christ and talked with Him still sinned and failed brother YOU AIN'T PERFECT!! We don't live a sinful lifestyle, but we still fail, we repent and try again. Anyone who says they never sin is a liar.
 
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Oh here we go again, sigh. Another one. Don't tell me you never sin and you are perfect. If the men that walked with Christ and talked with Him still sinned and failed brother YOU AIN'T PERFECT!! We don't live a sinful lifestyle, but we still fail, we repent and try again. Anyone who says they never sin is a liar.

Do you take 1 John 1:8 out of context to excuse your physical sins? "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."


It’s saying you can’t avoid SALVATION by thinking your are good enough without being Reborn.

You have excuses to continue physically sinning.

What do you think “be Holy for I am Holy” means?

Galatians 5:24-25
And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.​

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Does anyone get what it takes to actually hold The Reborn Image that SAVES? what do you think satan is tempting you with? How can JESUS Represent you on The Cross unless you have His Image (Blood)?

Do you know what lukewarm means or the parable of The Ten Virgins?

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
1 John 3:8–9 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

"Everybody who does not abide in Jesus sins. Those who abide in Jesus cannot sin because the seed of God is within them.
However sin still dwells within them; they just don’t act on it, because they have born anew into the kingdom of God, and now walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh." via Jon David Banks​

1 John 1:6-8 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
JESUS said to go and sin no more. To actually Believe in JESUS is to change your perception of reality to form to GOD'S Image. Do you want GOD to Know you at Judgment or not? You have to actively hate sin if you expect to be considered REBORN. Give up the animal side. Develop self control through Faith. Accept GOD'S Love that forms you to His inseparable Image. Make that Love Two-Way.

1 John‬ 2:15–17
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
it takes more than saying a sinners prayer to uphold the Reborn Holy Image. You can’t walk in The Spirit unless you get rid of physical sins in your life. To plan to physically sin in the future is to have a plan that isn’t from GOD.

to have your own plan for life (without GOD) is to use the tree of knowledge.

You made your own definition of sin to pretend that you are not doing it.

if you don't Believe The Truth ...guess what you are doing?

Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan (The Truth).

//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan/lies which doesn't involve GOD ...only you.