Warning Against Women

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Yet in all His omnipotence, the Holy Spirit of God felt no need to "inspire" men to write any such SPECIFIC warning about the men .......
But He did feel a need to warn men not to cause their children to stumble - and not their wives. Do you believe that a mother cannot cause her children to stumble? Unless you know why then it seems likely that we will be talking in circles. Besides - I didn't reply to yourself so there was no need to tell me that I was guessing when you can't even respect what the sister asked and how she qualified it. Go to the OP in the thread and read just two posts - number one and number two. Isn't that the real issue?
 
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But He did feel a need to warn men not to cause their children to stumble - and not their wives. Do you believe that a mother cannot cause her children to stumble? Unless you know why then it seems likely that we will be talking in circles. Besides - I didn't reply to yourself so there was no need to tell me that I was guessing when you can't even respect what the sister asked and how she qualified it. Go to the OP in the thread and read just two posts - number one and number two. Isn't that the real issue?

Why does the Bible warn men against women and not women against men?

Back to the OP's question.........
Who are we to question God as to why; He said it, that's enough

Job 38:2
Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge?
 
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Did you read the second post by @VineyardsOfEngedi?

Here is the first and second post she made:





Do we actually care if we answer what the author has asked or are we intend on establishing what the author has stated is already clear?

Isn't your reference to the letter to Timothy a reference to Genesis?

They are looking for reasons OTHER THAN the Garden incident.....thats THE reason
 
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Another woman who HATES what scripture says.......to them it's unforgiveable that the Holy Spirit would DARE To say something that contradicts everything the world has told them.....SMH
what's wrong with you

you made all that up

I contradict your attitude is what I contradict. grow up

you fit the bill of exactly the type of man who comes on here and thinks he knows all about everyone's everything

you just got here, but I'm already putting you on ignore which means I will not see your posts
 
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You shouldn't confuse being seductive and sneaky with being a liar, a creep and a cad. In Biden's case, the only one, and I mean - the only one - who believes Biden's lies, is Biden himself. Samson was defeated by Delilah - Let's Go Brandon would have been killed with an ass-bone before he even got close.
such wisdom

I think when dealing with a fool, you can't win, hence the warning.

"Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs, rather than a fool in his folly." Proverbs 17:12 (NKJV)

And Proverbs 26:4 - 5
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

So it is wise to seek like-minded people for fellowship.
the op has decided that Proverbs describes all women

which is nonsense

you are free to believe whatever you want, but not free to correct people who actually understand the passage in question

you and a few others here can go and argue with a donkey in the wilderness

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I have more respect for prostitutes and Proverbs is not warning against prostitutes.
:cautious:

I disagreed so therefore I hate scripture according to a few hot heads in here

I never have to wonder why some men cannot get along with women

or the fact while claiming we should all be led by the Holy Spirit, they actually disregard His leading as can be seen in the rhetoric and flaming going on
 
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what's wrong with you

you made all that up

I contradict your attitude is what I contradict. grow up

you fit the bill of exactly the type of man who comes on here and thinks he knows all about everyone's everything

you just got here, but I'm already putting you on ignore which means I will not see your posts
Do we all agree on sufficiency of scripture, inspiration and inerrancy ?

I tell you what Gods word says; Seek you inner depths on what this drives you so crazy; you know you secretly loathe the holy spirit for inspiring Pauls words to Timothy

Or every other feminist in the church I have dared to bring up gods holy word on the subject; they, and the church in many cases, wants us to fall lock step with the world

Women pastors
transgender sports
Homosexualy marriage
Personal responsibility

You hate scripture because it is sharper than a two edged sword and cuts to your marrow
 
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"I Don't Like Men," "Warning Against Women." Think I'll stick to the Singles thread! Lol
 
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LOL What are you displaying? My other comment? It's called sarcasm but clearly, it's difficult to discern online from people who lack wisdom.

yes your other comment

I don't know anything and lack wisdom, too.
obviously I was not using sarcasm. you mentioned several times you do not understand and you need help

I was simply trying to show you, as were other members, that you are incorrect about Proverbs
 

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Do we all agree on sufficiency of scripture, inspiration and inerrancy ?

I tell you what Gods word says; Seek you inner depths on what this drives you so crazy; you know you secretly loathe the holy spirit for inspiring Pauls words to Timothy

Or every other feminist in the church I have dared to bring up gods holy word on the subject; they, and the church in many cases, wants us to fall lock step with the world

Women pastors
transgender sports
Homosexualy marriage
Personal responsibility

You hate scripture because it is sharper than a two edged sword and cuts to your marrow

I have never heard this sister supporting any of those items. Yet the ones that are supported, MEN made it happen!
 

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Men like David sinned by looking at women. In his case had her husband killed.

Susanna


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Susanna
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Set apart from the beginning of Daniel, because it is not in the Hebrew, as neither the Narration of Bel and the Dragon.[1] There dwelt a man in Babylon, called Joacim:
[2] And he took a wife, whose name was Susanna, the daughter of Chelcias, a very fair woman, and one that feared the Lord.
[3] Her parents also were righteous, and taught their daughter according to the law of Moses.
[4] Now Joacim was a great rich man, and had a fair garden joining unto his house: and to him resorted the Jews; because he was more honourable than all others.
[5] The same year were appointed two of the ancients of the people to be judges, such as the Lord spake of, that wickedness came from Babylon from ancient judges, who seemed to govern the people.
[6] These kept much at Joacim's house: and all that had any suits in law came unto them.
[7] Now when the people departed away at noon, Susanna went into her husband's garden to walk.
[8] And the two elders saw her going in every day, and walking; so that their lust was inflamed toward her.
[9] And they perverted their own mind, and turned away their eyes, that they might not look unto heaven, nor remember just judgments.
[10] And albeit they both were wounded with her love, yet durst not one shew another his grief.
[11] For they were ashamed to declare their lust, that they desired to have to do with her.
[12] Yet they watched diligently from day to day to see her.
[13] And the one said to the other, Let us now go home: for it is dinner time.
[14] So when they were gone out, they parted the one from the other, and turning back again they came to the same place; and after that they had asked one another the cause, they acknowledged their lust: then appointed they a time both together, when they might find her alone.
[15] And it fell out, as they watched a fit time, she went in as before with two maids only, and she was desirous to wash herself in the garden: for it was hot.
[16] And there was no body there save the two elders, that had hid themselves, and watched her.
[17] Then she said to her maids, Bring me oil and washing balls, and shut the garden doors, that I may wash me.
[18] And they did as she bade them, and shut the garden doors, and went out themselves at privy doors to fetch the things that she had commanded them: but they saw not the elders, because they were hid.
[19] Now when the maids were gone forth, the two elders rose up, and ran unto her, saying,
[20] Behold, the garden doors are shut, that no man can see us, and we are in love with thee; therefore consent unto us, and lie with us.
[21] If thou wilt not, we will bear witness against thee, that a young man was with thee: and therefore thou didst send away thy maids from thee.
[22] Then Susanna sighed, and said, I am straitened on every side: for if I do this thing, it is death unto me: and if I do it not I cannot escape your hands.
[23] It is better for me to fall into your hands, and not do it, than to sin in the sight of the Lord.
[24] With that Susanna cried with a loud voice: and the two elders cried out against her.
[25] Then ran the one, and opened the garden door.
[26] So when the servants of the house heard the cry in the garden, they rushed in at the privy door, to see what was done unto her.
[27] But when the elders had declared their matter, the servants were greatly ashamed: for there was never such a report made of Susanna.
[28] And it came to pass the next day, when the people were assembled to her husband Joacim, the two elders came also full of mischievous imagination against Susanna to put her to death;
[29] And said before the people, Send for Susanna, the daughter of Chelcias, Joacim's wife. And so they sent.
[30] So she came with her father and mother, her children, and all her kindred.
[31] Now Susanna was a very delicate woman, and beauteous to behold.
[32] And these wicked men commanded to uncover her face, (for she was covered) that they might be filled with her beauty.
[33] Therefore her friends and all that saw her wept.
[34] Then the two elders stood up in the midst of the people, and laid their hands upon her head.
[35] And she weeping looked up toward heaven: for her heart trusted in the Lord.
[36] And the elders said, As we walked in the garden alone, this woman came in with two maids, and shut the garden doors, and sent the maids away.
[37] Then a young man, who there was hid, came unto her, and lay with her.
[38] Then we that stood in a corner of the garden, seeing this wickedness, ran unto them.
[39] And when we saw them together, the man we could not hold: for he was stronger than we, and opened the door, and leaped out.
[40] But having taken this woman, we asked who the young man was, but she would not tell us: these things do we testify.
[41] Then the assembly believed them as those that were the elders and judges of the people: so they condemned her to death.
[42] Then Susanna cried out with a loud voice, and said, O everlasting God, that knowest the secrets, and knowest all things before they be:
[43] Thou knowest that they have borne false witness against me, and, behold, I must die; whereas I never did such things as these men have maliciously invented against me.
[44] And the Lord heard her voice.
[45] Therefore when she was led to be put to death, the Lord raised up the holy spirit of a young youth whose name was Daniel:
[46] Who cried with a loud voice, I am clear from the blood of this woman.
[47] Then all the people turned them toward him, and said, What mean these words that thou hast spoken?
[48] So he standing in the midst of them said, Are ye such fools, ye sons of Israel, that without examination or knowledge of the truth ye have condemned a daughter of Israel?
[49] Return again to the place of judgment: for they have borne false witness against her.
[50] Wherefore all the people turned again in haste, and the elders said unto him, Come, sit down among us, and shew it us, seeing God hath given thee the honour of an elder.
[51] Then said Daniel unto them, Put these two aside one far from another, and I will examine them.
[52] So when they were put asunder one from another, he called one of them, and said unto him, O thou that art waxen old in wickedness, now thy sins which thou hast committed aforetime are come to light.
[53] For thou hast pronounced false judgment and hast condemned the innocent and hast let the guilty go free; albeit the Lord saith, The innocent and righteous shalt thou not slay.
[54] Now then, if thou hast seen her, tell me, Under what tree sawest thou them companying together? Who answered, Under a mastick tree.
[55] And Daniel said, Very well; thou hast lied against thine own head; for even now the angel of God hath received the sentence of God to cut thee in two.
[56] So he put him aside, and commanded to bring the other, and said unto him, O thou seed of Chanaan, and not of Juda, beauty hath deceived thee, and lust hath perverted thine heart.
[57] Thus have ye dealt with the daughters of Israel, and they for fear companied with you: but the daughter of Juda would not abide your wickedness.
[58] Now therefore tell me, Under what tree didst thou take them companying together? Who answered, Under an holm tree.
[59] Then said Daniel unto him, Well; thou hast also lied against thine own head: for the angel of God waiteth with the sword to cut thee in two, that he may destroy you.
[60] With that all the assembly cried out with a loud voice, and praised God, who saveth them that trust in him.
[61] And they arose against the two elders, for Daniel had convicted them of false witness by their own mouth:
[62] And according to the law of Moses they did unto them in such sort as they maliciously intended to do to their neighbour: and they put them to death. Thus the innocent blood was saved the same day.
[63] Therefore Chelcias and his wife praised God for their daughter Susanna, with Joacim her husband, and all the kindred, because there was no dishonesty found in her.
[64] From that day forth was Daniel had in great reputation in the sight of the people.
 
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You shouldn't confuse being seductive and sneaky with being a liar, a creep and a cad. In Biden's case, the only one, and I mean - the only one - who believes Biden's lies, is Biden himself. Samson was defeated by Delilah - Let's Go Brandon would have been killed with an ass-bone before he even got close.
in your haste to find me wrong, you missed the actual point of my post

I am not in the least confused. the op is trying to say that proverbs 7 is descriptive of all women. It is not. it is actually referred to as a 'warning against the adulterous woman'. in the sub titles in many Bibles. the op states this:

I have more respect for prostitutes and Proverbs is not warning against prostitutes.
do you really think she has more respect for 'prostitutes' and Proverbs 7 is about 'every' woman? and by the way, this sarcasm was not directed at me....

you and the new dude jump on my posts with your x's and thumbs down and illustrate my point about men who are caustic towards women, when scripture really does not indicate a man should treat a woman that way.

this forum has seen some very abusive posts directed at women simply because a woman or some women have objected to being objectified as seductive and sneaky (your words) and for the op to paint with the widest brush available in agreement that all women are predatory in their behavior, indicates she has been taught wrong. and most likely by predatory men

I could relate some of the experiences I have had with men....whose advances I rejected, including the father of a young woman I was singing with. I was 20 and he had to be approaching 50. it seems if a woman is decent looking, certain types of men....Christian men, believe it is an opportunity for them to have 'a little fun.

I have never been a flirt or encouraged any type of behavior on the part of men to make them think I was open to their advances.... So you and the other dude, basically flame me and agree with all negativity towards women and the ones who speak out against this immature chauvinistic behavior are singled out and bullied

I thank God I had a father who showed me a different type of man. He never ever made me think I was less because I was female, but encouraged me in my endeavors and warned me about the hazards a woman can face in the world and a good thing he did.

you and dude have an attitude that badly needs correcting with regards to how God Himself views women and the fact that Jesus did not turn women away in a time when women were often not treated very well

there is a huge problem in churches these days with fornication, adultery and the like and that often coming down right from the platform and spreading throughout the congregation.

I think you owe women a huge apology and need to repent of how you seem to view them
 
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Yes, the answer is women are a problem.....they are more easily deceived, sinned with the angels, and seek the authority of men

That's what happened in the garden and that is the purpose of the instruction in timothy

Many Christians have a problem with this revelation of scripture because the world tells them women are the equal of men

ok...took you off ignore because hiding from someone like you is not going to help anything

actually, God tells women we are equal to men, not withstanding we have different instructions. we share in salvation. we are not an afterthought nor are we little mice hiding in the kitchen with a broom in hand hoping to find something to sweep. you may like your women that way, but if that is the case, I would question what kind of man you are. if a man cannot be a man without 'putting the little woman in her place', and telling her she is not equal to the husband who is supposed to love her and cherish her and share his life with her, then that man is a bully and is immature in his behavior and fancies himself superior when he is not

in other words, if a man has to demean women to feel good about himself, then that man is not the man who deserves what scripture calls 'a good thing'. that man, is to be avoided and sadly many women only find out what a poor excuse for manhood that man is after they have been married and he begins the emotional and spiritual abuse of the woman, often accompanied with physical abuse as the cherry on top.

men like that need to stop playing at being a Christian and using the Bible to hide behind and excuse for their errant ungodly behavior. very sadly, men like this are found too often in church warming a pew and acting out the part of good man

your comments to me indicate you to be the 'type' of man that is not worthy of a wife and you are a TYPE and not the great anointed man of God you imagine yourself to be. telling me I hate the Holy Spirit and I hate scripture, is devoid of all respect both for me AND the Holy Spirit

you just arrived in this forum and you have the gall to tell someone you do not know that they hate God. just how very full of yourself do you wish many here to consider you to be. you might swagger like that in your own circles and men equal to your type, might pat you on the back, but consider how little that means. you could not act like that in a church where the men actually have an understanding of the Bible and behave themselves properly towards women

God considers women equal in worth to men. you on the other hand, obviously do no t. when I say equal, I do not mean to undermine them or take over for them, but in WORTH and equal in salvation

your disregard for that truth speaks bad of you, not women and certainly not me
 

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actually, God tells women we are equal to men, not withstanding we have different instructions.
This is correct. Equal before God, yet having different roles in the home and in the church.
 
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.......actually, God tells women we are equal to men,
Chapter and verse citing that please....
1 Peter 3:7
Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner


If women are equal to men, why did the Holy Spirit say they couldn't teach men?

Science says men are stronger. Look at the transgender debacle, every man in a woman's event wins handily....

Woman wasmade as a "suitable" helper

In the resurrection there will be no male or female, Jew or Greek, freeman or slave....HOWEVER, we are still living in a fallen world

That's scripture
The Holy Spirit "wrote" it, not me
 

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Chapter and verse citing that please....
1 Peter 3:7
Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner


If women are equal to men, why did the Holy Spirit say they couldn't teach men?

Science says men are stronger. Look at the transgender debacle, every man in a woman's event wins handily....

Woman wasmade as a "suitable" helper

In the resurrection there will be no male or female, Jew or Greek, freeman or slave....HOWEVER, we are still living in a fallen world

That's scripture
The Holy Spirit "wrote" it, not me
I would encourage you to do some research on the Hebrew words behind “suitable helper”.
 
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I would encourage you to do some research on the Hebrew words behind “suitable helper”.
Yep, study Hebrew word ezer.....don't fall for the feminist exposition of the word

Read every instance in scripture and it means helper, help, helped
 

Dino246

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Yep, study Hebrew word ezer.....don't fall for the feminist exposition of the word

Read every instance in scripture and it means helper, help, helped
I'm not "falling" for anything; I've done my homework. To whom does ezer refer in many of those instances?
 
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Chapter and verse citing that please....
1 Peter 3:7
Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner


If women are equal to men, why did the Holy Spirit say they couldn't teach men?

Science says men are stronger. Look at the transgender debacle, every man in a woman's event wins handily....

Woman wasmade as a "suitable" helper

In the resurrection there will be no male or female, Jew or Greek, freeman or slave....HOWEVER, we are still living in a fallen world

That's scripture
The Holy Spirit "wrote" it, not me
you need a suitable helper to show what scripture actually states

thankfully, that will not be me

what I said was, women are of equal worth to God. it seems that flies against your ability to accept

your comments regarding my so called hatred of God are perhaps actually your reflected hatred of any woman that you cannot tell to shut up
 
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Yep, study Hebrew word ezer.....don't fall for the feminist exposition of the word

Read every instance in scripture and it means helper, help, helped
that is not true.

Many opinions of working women have been shaped by the word in Genesis 2:18, "helper." This word therefore merits some greater attention. Was the woman to be merely a helpful assistant to the man? In our day we use the word “helper” in the sense of a plumber's assistant, handing the boss the right wrench for the job. But that is far from the meaning of the Hebrew word used to describe the first woman.

God created the woman as an ezer. The word ezer occurs twenty-one times in the Old Testament. In two cases it refers to the first woman, Eve, in Genesis 2. Three times it refers to powerful nations Israel called on for help when besieged. In the sixteen remaining cases the word refers to God as our help. He is the one who comes alongside us in our helplessness. That's the meaning of ezer. Because God is not subordinate to his creatures, any idea that an ezer-helper is inferior is untenable. In his book Man and Woman: One in Christ, Philip Payne puts it this way: "The noun used here [ezer] throughout the Old Testament does not suggest 'helper' as in 'servant,' but help, savior, rescuer, protector as in 'God is our help.' In no other occurrence in the Old Testament does this refer to an inferior, but always to a superior or an equal...'help' expresses that the woman is a help/strength who rescues or saves man."

While many devout Christians see a woman's function as a subordinate to a man, the word ezer in the original Hebrew overturns that idea. The woman was not created to serve the man, but to serve with the man. Without the woman, the man was only half the story. She was not an afterthought or an optional adjunct to an independent, self-sufficient man. God said in Genesis 2:18 that without her, the man's condition was "not good." God's intention in creating the woman for the man was for the two to be partners in the many tasks involved in stewarding God's creation.

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