The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Luke 20:38
"For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him."
Rom 8:30
"Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called these He also justified; and whom He justified these He also glorified."
On this basis your question makes no sense whatsoever friend. Hopefully you can see that now.
If you are referring to 1 thes 4 you are sorta correct.
Is there a point you are attempting to make?
Indeed. In fact the Thessalonians were confused about eschatology. Even after being tutored by Paul himself.....
And they were among the best of all NT Churches....certainly a beloved and saved congregation.
yesIndeed. In fact the Thessalonians were confused about eschatology. Even after being tutored by Paul himself.....
And they were among the best of all NT Churches....certainly a beloved and saved congregation.
I think most on the board are born again.
We are brethren in lively debate.
That is why it is unbecoming of members here to label anothers view as satanic or inspired by the devil and such.
It seems like desperation and someone frustrated that they are losing biblically.
Postribbers do not have ANY biblical standing. So i do expect them to get unhinged.
Really?
You get a lot of things wrong in these discussion, I've noticed!
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and [[they shall gather]] together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Christ, in Verse 31, specifically used GATHER for His Second Coming!
And YOU claim it has nothing to do with His Second Coming?
I am centered on the Words of Christ, which you reject for a secret third Coming!
I only need to show what relates to Jesus' Own Words. You have refused to see His Second Coming and the Rapture are the Same Event.
He specifically said, He returns One More Time. And before He Returns, He is seen in Clouds, His Angels GATHER the Saints, then He comes to Earth.
He never said, I come to Earth then Gather the Elect.
YOU TWISTED HIS WORDS TO MEAN THAT.
But read carefully:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
then
The GATHERING takes place
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
He Gathers us into the Clouds with Him BEFORE coming to the surface ground of Earth.
He describes same Event as Paul.
They Verify one another.
And people LIKE YOU, distort it for your own False Doctrine!
Evidently it is YOU who are deflecting from my post #1042. It is hardly a trivial matter that I have brought to your attention. Please respond. Intelligently. Using Scripture to back up your assertions....
In your verses, angels gather, not Jesus and they gather from heaven, not earth.
You actually changed the wording to fit your doctrine.
Stop accusing people for what you blatantly and erroneously do.
I am going by what is said.
You are playing games
we all believe that.
Everybody does.
You have no point at all.
There is no " you answer me" to your assertion
The FOUR WINDS = Earth!
You clearly have no idea concerning astrophysics!
4 winds = Earth
What are the 4 Winds?
NORTH-SOUTH-EAST-WEST!
"""He describes same Event as Paul."""
Eventually your theory comes to light.
No the second coming on horses is not the rapture..
You have never even come close to demonstrating that
Paul nor Jesus not say Christ comes on a Horse, where does Christ say He comes on a Horse in Matthew 24.
See, you've made it up so much you think Paul or Jesus said Horse
- Jeremiah 49:36
And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Ezekiel 37:9
Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Daniel 7:2
Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Daniel 8:8
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Daniel 11:4
And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Zechariah 2:6
Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord
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