Correct definitions of political systems

[Gideon300]

Before slandering people with pejorative terms, please at least get your definitions right. No, a Nazi is not someone who happens to disagree with your world view. For example, I may be called a religious bigot by some and they may have reason. I do not draw back from claiming that Christ is the only way to God. But I am not a racist. The word "racist" has been hijacked, especially by Muslims who don't want the excesses of their religion to be exposed.

Many terms are bandied about by people who have no idea what they mean. Probably the most misused is "Nazi". So I've put together some definitions to help people insult others with a little more accuracy.

Nazi, or to be precise, National Socialist.
National Socialism was a philosophy formed by Adolph Hitler. It is a philosophy of racial superiority. To him, what we call ethnic cleansing was the only way to preserve the racial superiority of the Germanic races. He also believed that Jews were the arch enemy and so launched the holocaust. I shudder to think of what would have happened if Germany had prevailed in WW2.

That's the "National" aspect. Hitler was an avowed socialist. He progressively brought industry, unions, education, health and other institutions under part control. While Germany prospered, this was fine. However, It created problems impossible to resolve. For example, the sale price of goods was set by the state. It had no relation to the cost of production. Manufacturing output declined as a result. And so did the economy.

Fascism was first thought of by Mussolini. Rather than race based superiority, it was cultural. Mussolini wanted to restore Italy to the status of the Roman Empire. As far as Mussolini was concerned, racial background was of little interest. This led to a minor clash with Hitler who wanted Italian Jews exterminated.

Spain also took on Fascism as their political philosophy. This led to a civil war won by the Fascists under Franco. Italy joined forces with Germany while Spain remained nominally neutral.

Both philosophies require a dictator in order to function. Sometimes it is the least worst option. Yugoslavia was help together by Tito. When he passed away, the region descended into murderous chaos.

I'll cover communism and socialism shortly. No doubt many will disagree with my definitions. That's your right. But please note that shouting louder does not make a statement correct.

 

[ZNP]

Before slandering people with pejorative terms, please at least get your definitions right. No, a Nazi is not someone who happens to disagree with your world view. For example, I may be called a religious bigot by some and they may have reason. I do not draw back from claiming that Christ is the only way to God. But I am not a racist. The word "racist" has been hijacked, especially by Muslims who don't want the excesses of their religion to be exposed.

Many terms are bandied about by people who have no idea what they mean. Probably the most misused is "Nazi". So I've put together some definitions to help people insult others with a little more accuracy.

Nazi, or to be precise, National Socialist.
National Socialism was a philosophy formed by Adolph Hitler. It is a philosophy of racial superiority. To him, what we call ethnic cleansing was the only way to preserve the racial superiority of the Germanic races. He also believed that Jews were the arch enemy and so launched the holocaust. I shudder to think of what would have happened if Germany had prevailed in WW2.

That's the "National" aspect. Hitler was an avowed socialist. He progressively brought industry, unions, education, health and other institutions under part control. While Germany prospered, this was fine. However, It created problems impossible to resolve. For example, the sale price of goods was set by the state. It had no relation to the cost of production. Manufacturing output declined as a result. And so did the economy.

Fascism was first thought of by Mussolini. Rather than race based superiority, it was cultural. Mussolini wanted to restore Italy to the status of the Roman Empire. As far as Mussolini was concerned, racial background was of little interest. This led to a minor clash with Hitler who wanted Italian Jews exterminated.

Spain also took on Fascism as their political philosophy. This led to a civil war won by the Fascists under Franco. Italy joined forces with Germany while Spain remained nominally neutral.

Both philosophies require a dictator in order to function. Sometimes it is the least worst option. Yugoslavia was help together by Tito. When he passed away, the region descended into murderous chaos.

I'll cover communism and socialism shortly. No doubt many will disagree with my definitions. That's your right. But please note that shouting louder does not make a statement correct.

I think if we are going to agree on definitions we should use agreed on definitions.

Nazi -- one definition is a member of German fascist party controlling Germany at the time of Hitler. Obviously no one is using that definition if they say Nazi today. Instead according to Merriam Webster a more generic definition applicable to today is this: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person. This is far broader than the very specific and narrow definition you provide which allows you to claim it doesn't apply. It may be that German Nazis thought of their race as superior, but when others compare people in other countries to Nazis they aren't saying you think Germans are superior, they are saying you are harshly domineering, dictatorial and intolerant. For example, let's lock up anyone who doesn't get a vaccine that we have mandated. That is domineering, dictatorial and intolerant.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Before slandering people with pejorative terms, please at least get your definitions right.

People should be aware that previous definition of political systems are no longer cut and dried. For example, what we have in the Democratic party of the USA (as well as the Biden regime) is an amalgam of Marxism/Communism/Fascism/Nazism/Racism/Anarchism. There are elements of all these ideologies present and in general you could call it Totalitarianism. And this would be true for Australia and New Zealand as well as other Western countries today.

 

[Oblio]

One-world government, anybody?

 

[Gideon300]

People should be aware that previous definition of political systems are no longer cut and dried. For example, what we have in the Democratic party of the USA (as well as the Biden regime) is an amalgam of Marxism/Communism/Fascism/Nazism/Racism/Anarchism. There are elements of all these ideologies present and in general you could call it Totalitarianism. And this would be true for Australia and New Zealand as well as other Western countries today.

While there are elections and politicians can lose their jobs, it is not totalitarian. Calling democracies totalitarian is an insult to those who suffer under true totalitarian regimes. You've see nothing yet. Don't worry, it's coming. Unless Christians unite, pray and resist the enemy, totalitarianism is inevitable.

The current generation sees democracy as a failure and capitalism as making the few obscenely rich at the expense of the many. That the billionaires also provide jobs for vast numbers of people does not seem to matter. Jealousy is a curse.

The Antichrist will be welcomed because of such an attitude. Since lies, half truths, distortions and deceptions are common, people believe almost anything. China shows how it's done. They've allowed billionaires to arise, but they are on a short leash. One word of criticism of the regime and they suffer the wrath of the regime. The first people to accept the Mark of the Beast will be those with the most to lose. I doubt that I'll be around to see this, but the writing is on the wall.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Calling democracies totalitarian is an insult to those who suffer under true totalitarian regimes.

Have you been blind over the past two years? Do you know what's happening right now at the US-Canadian border with truckers? It is the totalitarian nonsense on both sides which is jeopardizing their lives and their livelihoods. Review the news of every Western country over the last two years. They have all gone into totalitarian mode. "Show me your papers" has become the norm today, just like in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

 

[Oblio]

They don't care what happens to us. Their plan matters. As far as they're concerned, we're disposable. Look what's happening with Russia. They're doing that on purpose. Look at the plandemic. Look at the American president, for crying out loud! They're laughing at us. My prime minister just turned 2/3s of my country against me, labelling me a racist and misogynist because I won't take their toxic jab! That is criminal and sinful what he just did. In the past, he'd be kicked out of office and thrown in jail. He says I have to be dealt with. I may as well start wearing a yellow star. And I recently learned that I'm of Hebrew descent! What a co-incidence! I've been waiting for the greater holocaust. Russia is currently talking with Cuba and Venezuela. Considering the way they're being provoked, I think it's understandable. It's the globalists that are doing this to us. Now I'm rambling!

 

[Gideon300]

I think if we are going to agree on definitions we should use agreed on definitions.

Nazi -- one definition is a member of German fascist party controlling Germany at the time of Hitler. Obviously no one is using that definition if they say Nazi today. Instead according to Merriam Webster a more generic definition applicable to today is this: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person. This is far broader than the very specific and narrow definition you provide which allows you to claim it doesn't apply. It may be that German Nazis thought of their race as superior, but when others compare people in other countries to Nazis they aren't saying you think Germans are superior, they are saying you are harshly domineering, dictatorial and intolerant. For example, let's lock up anyone who doesn't get a vaccine that we have mandated. That is domineering, dictatorial and intolerant.

"Domineering, dictatorial and intolerant" applies to Putin, Xi, Hang Sen, Kim Jong Un, Erdogan, and at least 40 others. None of them are Nazi.

The reason definitions matter is that "Nazi" has come to mean "right wing", (which is patently not true) and so evil. Socialism is leftist and so supposedly inherently superior. That is not true, of course. USSR was a murderous regime which could only control the population through intimidation and violence. China is just as ruthless. USSR did not get away with it, China has gone about it more wisely.

The world is being set up to accept a regime that has the appearance of being benign, but in reality is the pure nature of Satan. It may well draw on the socialist ideology as the face of it's wicked agenda. People in the West have been programmed into believing that socialism is basically harmless. Utterly false. It is an insidious controlling ideology that looks to have some benefits while keeping people in bondage. And they don't even realise it. Those that do object are silenced, and not nicely.

 

[Gideon300]

Have you been blind over the past two years? Do you know what's happening right now at the US-Canadian border with truckers? It is the totalitarian nonsense on both sides which is jeopardizing their lives and their livelihoods. Review the news of every Western country over the last two years. They have all gone into totalitarian mode. "Show me your papers" has become the norm today, just like in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

You have no idea what real totalitarianism is. I don't know what goes on the the US and Canada. There is nothing new about border controls. That's what you get when people are dishonest, or try to enter a country illegally, or threaten the safety of a nation by blowing themselves up. While people can vote for different candidates, it is not totalitarian.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You have no idea what real totalitarianism is.

Really? Well you do not have to take my word for it. The American Association of Physicians and Surgeons calls it totalitarianism:

"The U.S. Supreme Court should be considering whether the administrative state has the constitutional or statutory authority to impose a medical dictatorship that overrides the states’ authority and citizens’ basic rights. Some Justices, however, seem to be taking the-end-justifies-the-means approach—and that based on egregiously erroneous information."

https://principia-scientific.com/test-jab-boost-repeat-repeat-repeat/

 

[ZNP]

"Domineering, dictatorial and intolerant" applies to Putin, Xi, Hang Sen, Kim Jong Un, Erdogan, and at least 40 others. None of them are Nazi.

The reason definitions matter is that "Nazi" has come to mean "right wing", (which is patently not true) and so evil. Socialism is leftist and so supposedly inherently superior. That is not true, of course. USSR was a murderous regime which could only control the population through intimidation and violence. China is just as ruthless. USSR did not get away with it, China has gone about it more wisely.

The world is being set up to accept a regime that has the appearance of being benign, but in reality is the pure nature of Satan. It may well draw on the socialist ideology as the face of it's wicked agenda. People in the West have been programmed into believing that socialism is basically harmless. Utterly false. It is an insidious controlling ideology that looks to have some benefits while keeping people in bondage. And they don't even realise it. Those that do object are silenced, and not nicely.

Fascist is considered right wing, pro business. The term is "political" for right wing. But most people who use "Nazi" are not comparing some current event to the German Socialist party and their ideology, they are comparing the actions. Americans lack a rigorous understanding of history and gulags. So the quarantine camps could be accurately described to gulags. But when they describe them as "nazis" they are saying that these camps remind them of rounding up "dirty Jews" and putting them into the ghetto. Asking for the vaccine passport is like requiring the "contagious Jews" to wear gold stars. Comparing people who are unvaccinated to racists and other insulting epitaphs is like the insulting way in which the nazis describe Jews. There are very few other parallels in history that all Americans are familiar with. This is a fair analogy, if you don't like it that is tough.

 

[Gideon300]

Fascist is considered right wing, pro business. The term is "political" for right wing. But most people who use "Nazi" are not comparing some current event to the German Socialist party and their ideology, they are comparing the actions. Americans lack a rigorous understanding of history and gulags. So the quarantine camps could be accurately described to gulags. But when they describe them as "nazis" they are saying that these camps remind them of rounding up "dirty Jews" and putting them into the ghetto. Asking for the vaccine passport is like requiring the "contagious Jews" to wear gold stars. Comparing people who are unvaccinated to racists and other insulting epitaphs is like the insulting way in which the nazis describe Jews. There are very few other parallels in history that all Americans are familiar with. This is a fair analogy, if you don't like it that is tough.

It's deceptive. As I've said, it feeds the false idea that leftist is good and right wing bad. They are two sides of the satanic coin. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Stalin created the gulags.

No, quarantine camps are not gulags. That is a blatant lie and an insult to a country that has made at least some attempt to protect its citizens from COVID. People who went into gulags rarely came out alive. Quarantine camps have been around for centuries. People go in, are shown to be well, and come out again.

If you want some truth, see if you can get a copy of "Gulag Archipelago" By Alexander Solzhenitsyn. He spent years in the gulag and miraculously survived. You will find out what real repression and real totalitarianism is

 

[ZNP]

It's deceptive. As I've said, it feeds the false idea that leftist is good and right wing bad. They are two sides of the satanic coin. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Stalin created the gulags.

No, quarantine camps are not gulags. That is a blatant lie and an insult to a country that has made at least some attempt to protect its citizens from COVID. People who went into gulags rarely came out alive. Quarantine camps have been around for centuries. People go in, are shown to be well, and come out again.

If you want some truth, see if you can get a copy of "Gulag Archipelago" By Alexander Solzhenitsyn. He spent years in the gulag and miraculously survived. You will find out what real repression and real totalitarianism is

You don't seem to understand making comparisons and drawing analogies. Nor are you willing to consider arguments that the quarantine camps and ideology on the vaccine has nothing to do with health but is a political power grab.

So of course if you see this quarantine camp as being something for human health you see no comparison. Instead of yammering on and on with your position why not try to understand what others are saying?

After Trump was elected in 2016 I wanted to understand why? I realized half the country felt very different so instead of assuming they were wrong I assumed I needed to understand what they were saying.

 

[Gideon300]

You don't seem to understand making comparisons and drawing analogies. Nor are you willing to consider arguments that the quarantine camps and ideology on the vaccine has nothing to do with health but is a political power grab.

So of course if you see this quarantine camp as being something for human health you see no comparison. Instead of yammering on and on with your position why not try to understand what others are saying?

After Trump was elected in 2016 I wanted to understand why? I realized half the country felt very different so instead of assuming they were wrong I assumed I needed to understand what they were saying.

Can you not see the difference between 10 days in quarantine, not being forced into slave labour, not in chains, not cut off from contact with the outside world, with medical assistance if required and the gulag? Words fail me.

 

[ZNP]

Can you not see the difference between 10 days in quarantine, not being forced into slave labour, not in chains, not cut off from contact with the outside world, with medical assistance if required and the gulag? Words fail me.

Can't you see the similarity?

It never starts that way. In Germany they began by slandering the Jews (can't you see the similarity with the slander towards Christians as being homophobic, misogynistic, and intolerant for the last 20+ years), then when Hitler seized power they made the Jews wear a star of David (can't you see the similarity between that and masks? It is a very obvious sign that everyone in the community can see, you can see immediately who is not complying by who is not wearing a mask), then they smashed their businesses (can't you see a similarity between the lockdown and requiring a vaccine to "smashing the businesses") then they rounded them up and put them into the ghetto (can't you see the similarity with rounding people up and putting them into a camp?) only then after they had people calling for locking them up, fining them, cutting them off from "polite society" did they ship them to the gas chamber.

And why were the Jews the target? The elites feared the communist revolution in Russia which they felt was from the Jews since Marx was a Jew and because they had put Jews into ghettos for years which is why capitalism was created and Jews became bankers

Likewise today the big fear in the elites are the evangelical Christians who see this vaccine as the mark of the beast

 

[Gideon300]

Can't you see the similarity?

It never starts that way. In Germany they began by slandering the Jews, then when Hitler seized power they made the Jews wear a star of David (can't you see the similarity between that and masks? It is a very obvious sign that everyone in the community can see, you can see immediately who is not complying by who is not wearing a mask), then they smashed their businesses (can't you see a similarity between the lockdown and requiring a vaccine to "smashing the businesses") then they rounded them up and put them into the ghetto (can't you see the similarity with rounding people up and putting them into a camp?) only then after they had people calling for locking them up, fining them, cutting them off from "polite society" did they ship them to the gas chamber.

You are ridiculous. Australia is not some tinpot South American basket case with a megalomaniac dictator in charge. As I've said before, we get to vote. It is always possible that changes could take place that enabled a dictator to arise. Since we have 8 governments, that would be quite a task. People are not being rounded up and put in camps. Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

 

[ZNP]

You are ridiculous. Australia is not some tinpot South American basket case with a megalomaniac dictator in charge. As I've said before, we get to vote. It is always possible that changes could take place that enabled a dictator to arise. Since we have 8 governments, that would be quite a task. People are not being rounded up and put in camps. Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

Neither was Germany or Russia or China

 

[ZNP]

Ridiculous

It is amazing how the rights of citizens can be eroded away and infringed and people justify and make excuses for it. I really appreciate @Gideon300 comments because two years or twenty years from now they should be very helpful for those who weren't here during this to see how people were so gullible to just go along with this and justify it. Also, I love how people tell us that we are paranoid conspiracy theorists and that we are ridiculous for saying certain things only for them to be reality six months later. One year ago to say that Australia would have quarantine camps or that the World's #1 tennis player would not be allowed to play in the Australia Open without a vaccine passport was considered ridiculous.

And what makes us ridiculous now? Australia is not a "South American Basket case." Was Germany ever a South American Basket case? Of course not.