TONGUES is a precious gift from God

[kaylagrl]

feeling come and go, and the question i would like to know is how do you know if the feelings and the spirit is from God?

The devil can speak to us and the demons can impress us with thoughts...

Try the spirits......

Which spirit is from God? our only way of knowing is by testing the spirits and we can only do that by using the bible as the standard.

The churches that hold the bible high as their standard of truth do not speak in tongues.

This is an opinion statement. I get it, we all make them. But I'm just pointing it out, this is your opinion and hardly a fair one.

There are many people in these churches that love God and are full of the Spirit of God yet they do no speak in tongues and i see people in some churches claiming they are filled with the spirit because they feel it and speak in tongues as a result, yet they are living a life with habitual sin.

Another unfair comment. You don't know what people do behind closed doors. You can't make that kind of a judgement call. smh You have no idea what lives are being lived when people leave church and are in the privacy of their own homes.

The word is clear on the topic and the honest reader will see that speaking in tongues is a gift for the purpose of spreading the gospel when language barriers are stopping it.

It isn't the only reason. An honest reader would acknowledge that.

Research the history and the origins of the modern form of tongues and you can see a spirit of confusion.

Not if it's done according to the order that was set in the NT. Not if it's not misused.

The devil will deceive the very elect

That's not what the verse says.

and when Jesus had fasted for 40 days The devil talked to Him quoting scripture to cause Him to sin. The devil will appear as Jesus and talk like he is Jesus so don't think it is always the truth.

We need to test the spirits and know if it is truth or error.

Correct, test the spirit, but if you're so immature as a Christian that you don't know the difference between something done by demons, or done by God, you've got you a bigger problem!
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[kaylagrl]

But, You are well aware that those debating with You have been confused and You never once tried to change in order so they could understand. What is that Message?

When a poster spins or refuses to be clear when asked I leave them alone. They have a pattern and that's how they will always answer. Some people think they are the Riddler, it gets old fast.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

When a poster spins or refuses to be clear when asked I leave them alone. They have a pattern and that's how they will always answer. Some people think they are the Riddler, it gets old fast.

Amen!

 

[kaylagrl]

I pray a mod looks this thread over and mercifully closes it

There are three that I know of going on. They'll just jump the next train. Same as OSAS gonna argue that till Christ returns. smh

 

[kaylagrl]

Well, I admit that I have not read every post on this thread but, considering the GREAT opposition to the WONDERFUL AND PRECIOUS Gift of Speaking in Tongues from GOD…. it’s VERY obvious that the enemy cannot stand it! Lol!

I think I will be sure to exercise this precious gift on MANY MORE occasions and absolutely upset the enemy! Lol!

Hey everyone, I’ve been taking more quiet time focusing on Jesus Christ and speaking in tongues…it’s been wonderful! I’m filled with soooo much love, thankfulness, hope, peace and great joy!!!

Take some time….be with the One you love….Jesus Christ, our Beloved…He is The Way, The Truth and The Life….

Here’s a wonderful song to help you…

Aye sister, you gave it a good try. Many of us appreciate your heart and attitude. Blessings.

 

[kaylagrl]

Which in and of itself speaks volumes. As I think I already stated in another post - for people who have such a strong belief in what they are producing with respect to tongues, the reluctance to have it looked at in depth is somewhat telling. You're not throwing it in anyone's face, and to prove what point?

Any miracle done in the Bible can be looked at "in depth", what do you think the result will be from science?! According to science a miracle is a myth, a miracle during Christ's lifetime, a miracle done today. It's all fake and Christ was a charlatan. Now you want these same people to take an "in depth" look at tongues. And if we disagree it's because we're doing it thru satanic power. smh

Paul said not to forbid speaking in tongues. Never did he give a date in time when tongues MUST cease. There is no where in the NT where it's said, after this, tongues are demonic. NO! That is a man made doctrine, period. Tongues isn't even the subject of those verses, love is. When the perfect has come. Pull your head out of the dirt and look around, do you think the "perfect" has come? No it hasn't. A blind man can see that.

 

[kaylagrl]

Perhaps a better approach would be for me to post a few videos and ask whether people would call these 'legitimate' tongues or not - if so, why, if not, why not?

Already been done and discussed. Let me ask you, if you weren't using tongues for money or attention, why would you put yourself on Youtube? I die laughing every time someone uses Youtube and tongues. smh Give me a break.

 

[Kavik]

I know what a lot of tongue-speakers will say in answer to this; it's already been mentioned in this thread. Speaking in a "tongue" is a language known only to God and the Spirit; therefore, Satan can't understand it and can't interfere.

But I have some issues with this. Tongues has been called and angelic language by many; and supposedly Satan can't understand "angelic." But he's an angel! Granted, a fallen one but still an angel. Lately I've noticed more people calling it a "heavenly" language to bypass this conundrum.

Many forms of meditation use vocalizations to acquire an Alpha state. Sometimes verbally; other times silently in the mind, as with mantras and such. It creates a hightened sense of awareness and perception not normally available in the ordinary awakened state.

Yes – true, despite that 1 Cor. 14:2 does not evidence modern tongues-speech; it’s just real, rational language(s) – understood by the speaker, but not the audience.

That’s always been my argument as well (again, despite that “tongues of angels” is 100% hyperbole).

Yes - a practice certainly not unique to Christianity.

 

[Artios1]

12 Benefits of Speaking in Tongues​

The primary purpose of tongues is designed for the individual believer in his/her private prayer life. It also edifies the believers when in a group meeting and the person speaking also interprets.



1. To speak the wonderful works of God

Acts 2:11
Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

2. To magnify God

Acts10:46
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.


3. To give thanks well

I Corinthians 14:17
For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.


4. To bring a message from God {when interpreted}

I Corinthians 14:5 & 27.

5) except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let that one interpret.



5. Sign to the unbelievers

I Corinthians 14:22, Mark 16:17;

I Corinthians
22) Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Mark
17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


6. To edify you, build you up.
I Corinthians 14:4, Jude 20

I Cor 14:4
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Jude 20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost.


7. To speak to God mysteries {divine secrets}

I Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


8. Makes intercession for us
Romans 8:26&7 Ephesians 6:18

Romans
26: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God

Ephesians 6:18
18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;


9. Your proof in the senses world that you are born again.

I Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


10. To have the spirit bear witness with our spirit – Similar to #9

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


11. To know you are a joint-heir with Christ.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


12. To strengthen you with might in the inner man

Ephesians 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

 

[Kavik]

Any miracle done in the Bible can be looked at "in depth", what do you think the result will be from science?! According to science a miracle is a myth, a miracle during Christ's lifetime, a miracle done today. It's all fake and Christ was a charlatan. Now you want these same people to take an "in depth" look at tongues. And if we disagree it's because we're doing it thru satanic power. smh

Paul said not to forbid speaking in tongues. Never did he give a date in time when tongues MUST cease. There is no where in the NT where it's said, after this, tongues are demonic. NO! That is a man made doctrine, period. Tongues isn't even the subject of those verses, love is. When the perfect has come. Pull your head out of the dirt and look around, do you think the "perfect" has come? No it hasn't. A blind man can see that.

I'm not speaking about miracles, but rather something very tangible and concrete. There's a huge difference here.

Yes, Paul would rather people pray to God in their native language than not at all; even though no one else listening to the speaker may understand his language.

I don't believe I ever stated that tongues were demonic - modern tongues-speech is non-cognitive non-language utterance; it's a completely self created phenomenon; thus, it is no more demonic than it is divine in origin.

I am neither a so-called ‘cessationist’ nor a ‘continuationist’ – I do not identify with either term; in fact, I had never heard the two terms until just late in 2016. As far as I’m concerned, quite frankly, since the Biblical reference of “tongues” is to real, rational languages, obviously “tongues” haven’t “ceased”; as far as I’ve been able to ascertain, people still speak.

 

[1ofthem]

Already been done and discussed. Let me ask you, if you weren't using tongues for money or attention, why would you put yourself on Youtube? I die laughing every time someone uses Youtube and tongues. smh Give me a break.

Yeah, youtube probably isn't the best place to go. You will have to wade through hundreds of vids.

But many churches are amateurly recording (sometimes it's just a sound recording) their services nowadays. So, there are a few rare examples online.

You can tell they are not doing it to get money or attention. You can actually still feel the Spirit in it even though it is just a recording.

This is a big help for people who can't get out to church for illnesses, or whatever reason.

 

[1ofthem]

This is exactly what I'm looking for - examples of what are deemed/percieved to be "real" tongues" - i.e. no one's doing it for money, fame, etc. - just people who believe that are speaking legitimate tongues.

I have no intention of posting any "results" for studying these - as I said, it's more out of my own curiosity - is there a difference between what is deemed legit and what is not (at least from a linguistic standpoint).

This is something I don't feel led to do at this time due to the previous reasoning I gave.

Not just because of cessationalists, but also some of the so-called believers in it.

I can tell you this, I've never heard anything that even sounds close to what Browne and Kopeland where doing. When it is the genuine you can hear and feel the Spirit of God in it. I'm not sure about unbelievers though. I think prophecy is better in that case.

 

[Lafftur]

Aye sister, you gave it a good try. Many of us appreciate your heart and attitude. Blessings.

Sweet @kaylagrl

Ever ponder all the confrontations Jesus Christ had with all those religious leaders and Pharisees…

In the scriptures, don’t those religious leaders and Pharisees seem quite silly arguing and trying to trap Jesus who happens to be GOD with their questions…

It’s easy to spot them they speak of all their religious works, seminary degrees, Hebrew and Greek languages and quote scripture all day long yet….

do they ever speak of God’s amazing LOVE and intimate fellowship with God, His Word and Holy Spirit….

In scripture, Nicodemus is the only Pharisee that truly diligently seeked to know Jesus personally and loved Him…for he helped bury Jesus.

You’re a blessing! Keep sharing Jesus Christ! We don’t stop till He returns or we die!

 

[1ofthem]

Yeah, these threads get way out of hand.

Here's what many don't like to hear though:

It's not just the cessasionalist. They don't believe and we know that, so we should be trying to explain and show them the difference if at all possible.

The ones I take issue the most with are the ones who are willing to agree with any old thing. Lending any credence to the fake.

Speaking in tongues and prophecy are still in existence and gifts for the church today. God didn't give these gifts of Spirit to build up the churches of old and then just take them back.

There is power in the Gifts of the Spirit. And yeah, the devil doesn't like the true genuine gifts of the Spirit. In fact, he is afraid of it. He will flee from it.

However, the enemy LOVES the fakes.

So, we all better check our own selves. Better live it the Bible way, walk in the Spirit, and submit only to the Spirit of God.

It is a gift of the Spirit, and it comes from God. You can't work yourself into a trance, learn it from someone else, or teach it to others. Any that believe you can, better take heed unless they walk off with an unfamiliar spirit and that spirit might well bear with them.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Speaking in tongues and prophecy are still in existence and gifts for the church today.

I've never said tongues aren't still in existence today. All I've said is I don't buy the idea that what's there is genuine. By genuine I mean a true gift of the Spirit.

I see a lot of well-meaning people who are following in the footsteps of people like Charles Fox Parham and William J. Seymour without so much as questioning who they were, what they were about and whether or not they should be trusted. This is where your modern tongues movement originated, you should look into it. I mean really look into it.

 

[kaylagrl]

I've never said tongues aren't still in existence today. All I've said is I don't buy the idea that what's there is genuine. By genuine I mean a true gift of the Spirit.

And this is where the argument kicks in. Right here you're talking out two sides of your mouth. Yes, you believe in tongues. Ok good. But because I haven't experienced it, or people that I know fake or abuse it, then everyone must be a fake. There are two options, let's just be clear. Tongues are either:

1. Still in use today as it was in the NT

2. Demonic and from the pit of hell.

There is no in between. It's either of man "the devil", or it's of the Spirit, God. There's no quibbling, no waffling. So when you present those two options, you can see why people would be upset and offended.

I see a lot of well-meaning people who are following in the footsteps of people like Charles Fox Parham and William J. Seymour without so much as questioning who they were, what they were about and whether or not they should be trusted. This is where your modern tongues movement originated, you should look into it. I mean really look into it.

I've heard of them. People follow Calvin and Westley and others. Some things they got right, some wrong. If you follow man, yes, you'll follow into error if they do. There are a sect of Pentecostals that believe you're not saved unless you speak in tongues, that's false. There are those who believe unless you're baptized Jesus only, you're not saved, error. Some believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven, error. You have to look into the book and read for yourself.

No where in the NT was a specific date and time given for tongues to cease. I hear so many people say "God is very specific". Ok then if there was a definite time, day, hour, minute tongues were to cease God would have made that clear in the Word. All tongues after this date are false and of the devil. That's an awful important detail not to give.

 

[shittim]

Not a "modern tongues movement" more accurately described as a move of God by Holy Spirit anointing in these days.
Which He offers freely to any who will come to Him.
blessings

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I hate always using the same examples, but let's go back to the 1750's, where a man named John Wesley, confessed he did not have the Gift of Speaking in Tongues and even questioned if it was for his day. Then he went on to write on 20 separate accounts where he either witnessed, or he was preaching and saw the Spirit of God erupt into Speaking in Tongues [which is cool, you don't believe in Speaking in Tongues, but your preaching caused Believers to begin Speaking in Tongues].

And from that we eventually come to the early 1900's USA.

But let's go directly to us Today.

We have every interpretation of God's Word from every background in the form of Theologians, Bible Scholars, Teachers of the Word of God. We have for and against Speaking in Tongues, and we have pro's and cons. We have solid evidence of when it is WRONG, and solid evidence of when it is CORRECT. From the internet alone, we have every possible advantage and disadvantage of everyone's knowledge combined. We have a Greater understanding Today, than we have ever had when pertaining all meaning towards the Word of God.

And ironically, it all boils down to personal belief based upon what can be examined from youtube and the many other sources readily available.

And for the most part, Many will state, I believe in the Gift of Tongues, I believe it could still be for Today, but what I have seen it cannot be the Same example as we read in the Bible.

1. When you read the Mark of the Beast, [before we knew about RFID Chips], did you ever connect the Mark of the Beast to an RFID Chip that can hold all of your banking, personal, medical information, works like a credit card/insurance card/Driver's License and connects directly to the Main-Frame computer? Even the technology exists today where you can be Mobile and have your thoughts picked up neurologically and interpreted. I never thought of that when I read or heard the Book of Revelation being preached in the early 1970's, but I believe it today.

2. what about this found in Revelation:
The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. Do we think these are really insects? Or, could they be Drones and Helicopters?


So what is my point using those ^ examples for Modern Day Speaking Tongues.

Clearly, many things we read in the Word of God, that were understood 2,000 years ago, are not 100% crystal clear in Meaning for our day and time. The Apostle John would not understand what a Drone was, but a flying Locust that stings like a Scorpion from its tail perfectly describes several Military Drones Today. I feel Modern Day Speaking in Tongues holds a Similar Viewpoint!

But be assured, I do not believe all Modern Day examples are legit. But for the most part, I do believe they are true/sincere/and of the Holy Spirit!

 

[Bloodwashed]

i was going to comment. But I could not say anything that has not already been said.

 

[shittim]

Jesus was clear when He said he only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say, by the Holy Spirit as He was given by John the Baptist.
He modeled for us how the Father would have us live.
best wishes