Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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justpassinthrough said:
No one here is judging anyone.


What we are saying is no one gets saved apart from hearing and believing the Gospel.



If you believe otherwise, then please post the scriptures that says unbelievers are saved.
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You are still twisting what has been shared here.
Abraham believed God, and this was counted to him as righteousness. Afterwards, he became the fist man to receive the Gospel.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
No, a person will be saved when he believes the biblical gospel.
JaumeJ said:
It is the Spirit Who gives life, the written word is dead and can be death without the Holy Spirit.

I learn from the written Word only when the Holy Spirit reveals, there is no other way to learn from the Word. Even if you have somene gifted with that of being a teacher, it can only be taught through him by the Holy Spirit, and understood too.
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Is this an agreement with what I said or a disagreement?
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said:
No, a person will be saved when he believes the biblical gospel.

Is this an agreement with what I said or a disagreement?
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It is in agreement with the Holy Spirit.
Listen, I do not have you on trial here, so please stop the cross examination, it will come back upon your own head.
 
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justpassinthrough said:
Please explain how a person is saved who has never heard or believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
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They are saved because God had chosen to save them nothing else. Hearing and believing occurs after, and as a result of, that. Becoming saved is not by our actions or choice but God's. Christ is the Saviour, we are not
 
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JaumeJ said:
It is in agreement with the Holy Spirit.
Listen, I do not have you on trial here, so please stop the cross examination, it will come back upon your own head.
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Hey, lighten up. I was only trying to get a clarification of your post. It was no cross exam, I assure you.
 
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justpassinthrough said:
Please explain how a person is saved who has never heard or believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
rogerg said:
They are saved because God had chosen to save them nothing else.
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No one is chosen to be saved. God chooses (elects) people for service.

Hearing and believing occurs after, and as a result of, that.
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The Bible says differently. Titus 2:11 says that the grace of God offers salvation to everyone.

Becoming saved is not by our actions or choice but God's. Christ is the Saviour, we are not
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True. In fact 1 Cor 1:21 says - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

So, you see, God doesn't choose who will believe, but He is please to save those who do believe.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
No, a person will be saved when he believes the biblical gospel.
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...and the Gospel says we are not ......saved....... until death, judgement and Christ says we are saved. On earth we are ...born again.
 
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JaumeJ said:
You are still twisting what has been shared here.
Abraham believed God, and this was counted to him as righteousness. Afterwards, he became the fist man to receive the Gospel.
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Abraham obeyed the Gospel and justified, in Genesis 12.




JLB
 
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rogerg said:
They are saved because God had chosen to save them nothing else. Hearing and believing occurs after, and as a result of, that. Becoming saved is not by our actions or choice but God's. Christ is the Saviour, we are not
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Your Christ-less salvation doctrine is not biblical.


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel and saved.



JLB
 
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brightfame52 said:
By the Blood of Jesus Christ, the Grace of God.
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The blood of Jesus was shed for the whole world, yet the whole world is not saved.



We must hear and believe the message of salvation, the Gospel of Jesus Christ in order to be saved.



For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, for those who believe.



Those who have not heard and therefore have not believed are not saved.



How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14




how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?






JPT
 
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justpassinthrough said:
Your Christ-less salvation doctrine is not biblical.


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel and saved.
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I think that it is you who doesn't understand the Bible and its message. If you don't trust
Christ as Saviour, then you are the one who is "Christless", not me
 
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justpassinthrough said:
We must hear and believe the message of salvation, the Gospel of Jesus Christ in order to be saved.
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So then what happens to those who for some physical reason (for example) are unable to hear or believe the Gospel? Do they remain unsaved? What is their end spiritual result?
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Hey, lighten up. I was only trying to get a clarification of your post. It was no cross exam, I assure you.
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I apologize ,dtext to voice dows not read all, the colors, not at all................God bless.
 
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justpassinthrough said:
The blood of Jesus was shed for the whole world, yet the whole world is not saved.



We must hear and believe the message of salvation, the Gospel of Jesus Christ in order to be saved.



For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, for those who believe.



Those who have not heard and therefore have not believed are not saved.



How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14




how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?






JPT
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The blood of Christ was only shed for them that are saved, which are the elect.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
justpassinthrough said:
Please explain how a person is saved who has never heard or believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

No one is chosen to be saved. God chooses (elects) people for service.


The Bible says differently. Titus 2:11 says that the grace of God offers salvation to everyone.


True. In fact 1 Cor 1:21 says - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

So, you see, God doesn't choose who will believe, but He is please to save those who do believe.
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I agree. It is through the foolishness of what you preach that people can come to see the Truth and the True Gospel.
 
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rogerg said:
So then what happens to those who for some physical reason (for example) are unable to hear or believe the Gospel? Do they remain unsaved? What is their end spiritual result?
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Do you really think God would be that unfair?
Somethings are reserved for our Father's knowledge only.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
No, a person will be saved when he believes the biblical gospel.
peldom10 said:
...and the Gospel says we are not ......saved....... until death,
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Prove that with clear Scripture. That would mean all who believe are NOT saved until they die. Nonsense.

Further, consider the tenses in John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes (present tense) him who sent me has (present tense) eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

This means the MOMENT one believes they possess eternal life. That's what the verse is saying. No interpretation needed.

Now, consider John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Another crystal clear verse: Jesus gives the gift of eternal life, and the result is that the recipients shall never perish.
 
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brightfame52 said:
The blood of Christ was only shed for them that are saved, which are the elect.
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This calvinistic doctrine is unbiblical.

You cannot show any verse that supports your statement, and you know it. If it were true, then every calvinst would shove that or those verses down all our throats.

in fact, there are multiple verses that clearly say that Christ died for all.
 
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