TONGUES is a precious gift from God

[shittim]

if it can't be communicated in a simple succinct sentence or paragraph it isn't really communication, it is more of a word soup.
You post a lot of "stuff", our faith is relationship and communication with him, not merely talking about Him and His ways which is more religion that misses the mark than personal relationship.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

if it can't be communicated in a simple succinct sentence or paragraph it isn't really communication, it is more of a word soup.

You post a lot of "stuff", our faith is relationship and communication with him, not merely talking about Him and His ways which is more religion that misses the mark than personal relationship.

That is a matter of faith sister. Whereas when we agree with a Scripture that has it that speaking to an unbeliever is like casting pearls before swine as @#502 with its clear message and agreement by five posters into this thread - then that one liner becomes an unwarranted insult in truth - when he states in his profile that he is not a Christian.

Besides, simple sentences rarely produce understanding unless they are appropriately applied - including Scripture. I do post a lot of stuff - but if I post just one liners I will still be resisted. The explanation is not as some impute or even state - it is rather more to do with the very body in which we are presently tented - and the living soul that is who we are in ourselves. Our faith gives us Christ - and is expressed as being born of the will of God in that link you agreed with. So I make a Calvinist point by using non Calvinist expression that speak of the same meaning. If I try to utilise any Calvinist precepts I will be run through by criticism. God Bless.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

@shittim - well I won't express myself any further to yourself seeing as you disagree with almost everything I have said in this thread - albeit less vocally and more iconographically using the emoji function.

But just to say it sister - the pigs are not unbelievers in that passage and the proper name for unbelievers is dogs - who may also gather crumbs from under the table. The Lord didn't save me to wrestle with dogs sister. Shalom

 

[ResidentAlien]

Both

Why does it always have to be either/or?

Well, I was just trying to help get some ideas going. If you think it's both, that's a pretty safe answer but doesn't explain anything.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Let me help out a little if I can; perhaps this will elicit some kind of a response.

Those who say there are fake tongues and true tongues:

1. Is the fake variety the use of tongues in an un-Biblical way? For example, more than two or three all speaking at once; speaking in tongues with no interpreter present, etc.

2. Or is it something specific about the spoken sounds? That is, the sounds coming out of one person's mouth are genuine while another's aren't.

In the example of Copeland and 2 other preachers acting like they are holding a discussion between each other but doing it by Speaking in Tongues is a complete farce. Tongues is a one on one conversation between you and God, just like a Relationship is one on one between you and God. Tongues is not a conversation between Followers of God. Those idiots are playing with Fire and will get burnt.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. I Corinthians 14:2

Amen!

Just what i posted about the Video in question.

 

[Godsgirl83]

So just to make amends here is the standing in ministry and Academia of the brother who's video I did post which you found so doubtful:

- 4 years in the U.S. Coast Guard - B.A. - (Missions and Bible) Assemblies of God - M.A. - Cross Cultural Studies - Fuller Graduate School - M.Div. - North Park Seminary - 3 months - Haiti - 1 year - Missionary in Brussels, Belgium, learning French - Bon Jour! - 3 years - Missionary in the Democratic Republic of the Congo teaching in Seminary and Bible College, Evangelism and getting tropical diseases and learning Lingala - 10 years - 2 Evangelical Covenant Churches (Sr. Pastor) - 1 class - professor in Charismatic non accredited college - 1 year - Adjunct Professor (AG University) - teaching Cults and Denominations and Apologetics - 2 years - Adjunct Professor (Evangelical University) - Philosophy Department (Ethics) - 20 years - Adjunct Professor (Another Evangelical University) - 17 different subjects in ministry, missions, theology, ethics, church history,

Are you saying that the above are the "credentials" of the youtuber?
And if so, that's the best he could do was merge those 2 together?
my intellectually disabled 12 year old can reason like that....... (and that's NOT a compliment to the youtuber)

 

[JTB]

Well, I was just trying to help get some ideas going. If you think it's both, that's a pretty safe answer but doesn't explain anything.

I explained more in a later post

 

[Gardenias]

With as long as so many of us have been followers and have over read the bible in these years, how is it the word is picked and plucked but not taken whole?

Is it we are listening to man rather than God? Do we have to take a man's interpretation instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to teach us.

Where is the disconnect?
God changes not and is not a respecter of persons but will give from the storehouse to those that ask,seek and open.

So many will be like the servant who hid his master's talent and gained nothing!`

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Even when I Speak in Tongues in my private Prayer, I don't just begin doing it. I begin with Acknowledging Who God is, I worship Him and Honor Him with Praise, and I begin praying in my own language. The majority of times I never Speak in Tongues. When I do, it's when I am praying for something that only God can do and it's an urgent prayer between life/death, medical situation, or a dire situation that life brings to us on occasion. But more often than anything else, it's concerning Spiritual Warfare towards a spiritual battle for either myself or those I am aware of.

I said all of that to say this, to tape record and try to capture of the flow of God and Speaking in Tongues, would go against being real and true in the moment. It would be on your mind and then what you do will be out of self. So, I find it would be impossible to record, unless, someone [secretly recorded] your prayer without your knowledge.

I am too afraid of Speaking in Tongues out of my self to want to risk it. This is not a Game of Show and Tell for me. This is a Gift that is now a part of my lifestyle just like Discernment. The Holy Spirit does the WORK and it just happens to be coming from my person. When I Discern, the Holy Spirit does the Work and gives me the Knowledge. When I Speak in Tongues, the Holy Spirit does the Work and I Speak it because the Holy Spirit is aware of the urgency of the matter and how to connect to God better than I could ever try.

 

[Oblio]

In the example of Copeland and 2 other preachers acting like they are holding a discussion between each other but doing it by Speaking in Tongues is a complete farce. Tongues is a one on one conversation between you and God, just like a Relationship is one on one between you and God. Tongues is not a conversation between Followers of God. Those idiots are playing with Fire and will get burnt.

I never heard of that one before. Strange.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Are you saying that the above are the "credentials" of the youtuber?
And if so, that's the best he could do was merge those 2 together?
my intellectually disabled 12 year old can reason like that....... (and that's NOT a compliment to the youtuber)

Lets be plain sister shall we!

I take exception when a mother tells me that her intellectually impaired child is an appropriate instrument to insult anyone at all.

My son is 34 years old and is severely cognitively impaired. I have looked after him his entire life and he will remain with me and my wife until he dies. My other children are in their full capacity and I would not have allowed them to use their brother in such a manner. Never yet have I used his intelligence as a means to insult another person. Let alone boast that such a claim is NOT complimentary. That expression of yours is truly astonishing when set into the threshold of a Christian forum.

As to the credentials and who's they are - the video is linked to a YouTube channel and the detail of whose that Chanel is is stated on that Chanel. Whether this video was a poor effort or not is irrelevant.

 

[CS1]

Are you saying that the above are the "credentials" of the youtuber?
And if so, that's the best he could do was merge those 2 together?
my intellectually disabled 12 year old can reason like that....... (and that's NOT a compliment to the youtuber)

many here try to use intellectual superiority through academia to discredit the word of God.

They use secular, ungodly, postmodernism, and even atheism to make the argument against the word of God. Some seek pagan practices and middle eastern occult to discredit the word of God and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Yet ,

Jesus said in Mark chapter 16, John chapter 14 & 15, and ACTS 1:8 AND THROUGH PAUL IN 1Cor chapter 12 through 14 of the gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues are one. Nope, not good enough.

 

[Godsgirl83]

Lets be plain sister shall we!

Yes, let's be.
Perhaps if you didn't use such long, complex, overly wordy post you might be better understood.

Whether this video was a poor effort or not is irrelevant.

Actually, it is relevant as it is the video that YOU chose to post.

Gots to tell ya sumthing though............
You have won yourself a first in my book.
Never in my 2+ years here have I resorted to using the ignore button,
but you sir have won yourself that (dis)honor, congratulations!

Perhaps I can now look back through this thread and see all the post that reflect the beauty of what this thread was meant for.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

many here try to use intellectual superiority through academia to discredit the word of God.

They use secular, ungodly, postmodernism, and even atheism to make the argument against the word of God. Some seek pagan practices and middle eastern occult to discredit the word of God and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Yet ,

Jesus said in Mark chapter 16, John chapter 14 & 15, and ACTS 1:8 AND THROUGH PAUL IN 1Cor chapter 12 through 14 of the gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues are one. Nope, not good enough.

Some people do all kinds of things to achieve their ambitions and that includes achieving the highest possible grades in Academia. But what was singular about that list I posted was that the brother who is being proven is first and foremost a pastor who got his qualifications in Hebrew and Greek from an AOG seminary. Where did you get your five languages from pastor? Your gift of tongues was a gift of God - your five languages had to be learned. Are you saying that he didn't believe in the baptism and the gifts of the Holy Spirit but nevertheless passed through a pentecostal seminary? Stop being so obtuse in your claims about what other people do in order to denigrate intellect. It is nearly as false as a mother citing her Childs intellectual impairment to insult a pastors intelligence when all she had to say was her 12 year old child. That would have been sufficient - but the intention is to insult - it is not to uphold the truth at all.

The YouTube Chanel from which that video came is dedicated to addressing the NAR and other false prophetic ministries.

Do you want to know what my boast is pastor with regard to intellect?

I was diagnosed with an educational subnormality aged 9 years of age and attended a special needs residential school in loco parentis care where I remained until I was nearly seventeen years old. Thats my boast - try some of that and stop imagining that you know what humanism is or paganism is because if you do then you learned it outside the folds of Scripture. Biblically these things have to do with spiritual ambitions and effect - all of which are ambitiously arrayed in heavenly realms and visible in the world - therefore grounded in their visible outworking in the theatre of the souls and bodies of men. They are never the stuff of boasts. So why boast as you do then? The gifts of the Holy Spirit and the empowerment of believers by the Holy Spirit only exceed those boundaries when the father in His sovereign will through the Holy Spirit gifts the means to exceed physical boundaries.

When some believers and especially when unbelievers question the validity of spiritual gifts I am not at all surprised. You and some others appear to believe that they should not angle for their own unbelief. Why?

 

[1ofthem]

Yes, let's be.
Perhaps if you didn't use such long, complex, overly wordy post you might be better understood.

Actually, it is relevant as it is the video that YOU chose to post.

Gots to tell ya sumthing though............
You have won yourself a first in my book.
Never in my 2+ years here have I resorted to using the ignore button,
but you sir have won yourself that (dis)honor, congratulations!

Perhaps I can now look back through this thread and see all the post that reflect the beauty of what this thread was meant for.

He took that way too far. Over and beyond the context and twisted your post.

People sometimes do that here. They try to look superior to others in any way they can whether it be intellectually, morally, etc.

In doing so, he just made himself look like a thoughtless moron with no commonsense.

I'm sure most of us understood your point. The ones that know you know what an intelligent, wise, kind, and caring person you are.

You are a benefit to this site, and it is nice to see you posting in the BDF. They need more like you posting on this forum.

 

[ResidentAlien]

In the example of Copeland and 2 other preachers acting like they are holding a discussion between each other but doing it by Speaking in Tongues is a complete farce. Tongues is a one on one conversation between you and God, just like a Relationship is one on one between you and God. Tongues is not a conversation between Followers of God. Those idiots are playing with Fire and will get burnt.

So if someone attends a church, as I did once, where someone spoke in a tongue and another gave the interpretation, are you saying that's fake? They're not speaking only to God but to the whole congregation via a translator.

 

[ResidentAlien]

There are false tongues, there are true tongues, and there are true tongues done incorrectly.

And I believe Paul said while he wished we all would speak, he'd rather we not speak than do it incorrectly.

Okay, so now we're basically back where we started. Everyone knows if tongues are being used incorrectly; that should be obvious. But how do you know if the sounds coming out of a person's mouth are generated by the Spirit or by the person?

 

[Godsgirl83]

He took that way too far. Over and beyond the context and twisted your post.

I seem to recall a story in the beginning of the Bible where someone twisted what was said.......
the outcome wasn't good for them.

In doing so, he just made himself look like a thoughtless moron with no commonsense.

I think that happened a while back.......

I'm sure most of us understood your point.

I'm confident of that.

You are a benefit to this site, and it is nice to see you posting in the BDF. They need more like you posting on this forum.

Thank you.
Funny thing though....
when I check my blood pressure after spending to much time it BDF it no longer shows numbers.
My bp machine has developed the ability to communicate with words.
Now instead of numbers it reads:

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN IN BDF
STAY OUT OF BDF

then turns back to numbers

 

[Oblio]

Tell me about it! Lol