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justbyfaith

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Why stop at verse25?
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. verse27
Biblical perfection is not perfection in the flesh!
IE, to be born again does not mean you cannot commit any sin!
read the bible as one cohesive whole!
However, you are blatantly contradicting what it says in 1 John 3:5-9.
 

justbyfaith

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No, I read it. However,. you did not read what I posted!!

I also understand the requirement of the law

Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Galatians 3:10
for as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

You don't keep the law my friend. No one does. Only Christ kept the law.

The law should take you to your knees, Not get you puffed up in pride.
Of course it does not puff me up in pride.

But I am saying that if anyone looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, they will be blessed in their deed (James 1:25).

This apparently contradicts what you have posted out of Galatians 3:10.

Now reconcile the two.

Of course, I have already reconciled them in a post above (https://christianchat.com/threads/galatians-discussion.203410/post-4745814).
 

justbyfaith

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The law leads us TO CHRIST.

It does not tell us how to FOLLOW CHRIST.

If the law told us how to follow christ. the schoolmaster would CONTINUE after we FOUND CHRIST
We do not need the schoolmaster any more because we have been trained by him; and therefore it would be our inclination to be obedient to his teachings even without him being a taskmaster over our lives.
 

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If you are attempting to follow the law then you are deceived by it.

The perfect law of liberty is Christ, the Holy Spirit, the love of and for God and for the Brethren.

Law pushers will always end up deceived.
There is coming a "lawless one" and I believe that he will be in perfect agreement with your assessment.

See James 1:25.

If anyone looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, he will be blessed in his deed.

No need to change the meaning of "the perfect law of liberty". It is plainly referring to the law.

Two of the ten commandments are included in it (James 2:11-12).
 

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Following the law will lead to death.

Following Christ leads to Eternal Life.

Righteous living by the law cannot please God because no one but Christ was able to keep it.

Righteous living by FAITH in Christ and the Holy Spirit is what pleases God = PERIOD.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman/law, but of the free.

Christ indeed = Free Indeed = Peace Indeed
The law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

I would point these things out in order that the law may continue to be a means by which you might have the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) in the case that you think that you are wholly justified without being sanctified.

The one who is carnally-minded cannot please God because his mind is not subject to the law of God (Romans 8:7).

Now, we cannot be regenerated and renewed by an attempt at keeping a set of do's and don'ts (Titus 3:4-7).

However, once you have been regenerated and renewed, it is a given that you will walk in goodness as a fruit of the Holy Spirit; against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).

Which means, that as you walk according to the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn you in your behaviour; and therefore in walking according to the Spirit rather than the flesh, you will become a law-abiding citizen of the kingdom of heaven (see also Ezekiel 36:25-27).
 

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I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:14-21, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it’s a great explaination of the sin nature we inherited from the transgression


“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.”
Of course, this is speaking of the law of sin and death.

Paul wrote that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus had set him free from the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2).
 

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Of course, this is speaking of the law of sin and death.

Paul wrote that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus had set him free from the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2).
amen brother

This is how that law got there in us

“Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day,(the knowledge of sin ) he shall surely be put to death.”( result of death )
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭31:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The knowledge of sin

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

consewuence of death

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

knowledge of sin

“Thou shalt not kill.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭

consequence of death of course you know what I’m saying …..


the law of sin and death is the law that gives the knowledge of sin to sinners and sentences them to death for sin

the law of the spirit of life is this word

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

there’s no sin nor death in that only an invite to hear and believe the gospel d be saved

that’s sets us free from the law of sin anD death which held us captive

free of sin

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…….Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬


(free of death which is sins consequence )
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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The law of sin and death has to do with the fact that when I would do good, evil is present with me.

The law of the Spirit of life has to do with the fact that if I have the Spirit of God indwelling me, I will walk according to the Spirit; I will, by the Spirit, mortify the deeds of the body (Romans 8:13).

The law of the Spirit of life sets me free from the law of sin and death in that I become able to do what is good when I desire to do good because of the Spirit who dwells within me.
 

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The law of sin and death has to do with the fact that when I would do good, evil is present with me.

The law of the Spirit of life has to do with the fact that if I have the Spirit of God indwelling me, I will walk according to the Spirit; I will, by the Spirit, mortify the deeds of the body (Romans 8:13).

The law of the Spirit of life sets me free from the law of sin and death in that I become able to do what is good when I desire to do good because of the Spirit who dwells within me.
yeah it got there from the law that teaches man what sin is , and that it’s certain death
“For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:5, 7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we never had the law we still wouldn’t know sin that is what the law does gives knowledge of sin and then shows us sin is death

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your right it’s that law in us what I’m saying is the law of Moses is how it got to be known and understood in us

it originates from transgression of Adam partaking of good and evil as was forbidden but the law is what defines sin and reveals its sentance of death that’s how mankind knows what sin is and it’s punishment

It didn’t just get there alone we were wicked but had no understanding ding that say adultery was sin until God gave the law of sin and death to Moses

It was necassary to make sin known so Christ could call us to repentance from it
 
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There is coming a "lawless one" and I believe that he will be in perfect agreement with your assessment.

See James 1:25.

If anyone looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, he will be blessed in his deed.

No need to change the meaning of "the perfect law of liberty". It is plainly referring to the law.

Two of the ten commandments are included in it (James 2:11-12).
NOPE - NEVER

Whoever works on the Sabbath Rest of God will be cut off.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death
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for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’

You work(adding the law to Christ/Grace) on the Sabbath rest of God = you are not of faith in Christ Jesus.

For by Grace you have been saved, not of works lest any man should boast..............
 
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The law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

I would point these things out in order that the law may continue to be a means by which you might have the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) in the case that you think that you are wholly justified without being sanctified.

The one who is carnally-minded cannot please God because his mind is not subject to the law of God (Romans 8:7).

Now, we cannot be regenerated and renewed by an attempt at keeping a set of do's and don'ts (Titus 3:4-7).

However, once you have been regenerated and renewed, it is a given that you will walk in goodness as a fruit of the Holy Spirit; against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).

Which means, that as you walk according to the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn you in your behaviour; and therefore in walking according to the Spirit rather than the flesh, you will become a law-abiding citizen of the kingdom of heaven (see also Ezekiel 36:25-27).
SEE Post #116
 

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It didn’t just get there alone we were wicked but had no understanding ding that say adultery was sin until God gave the law of sin and death to Moses
The law of sin and death is not the law of Moses...

It is the principle that when I would do good, evil is present with me (Romans 7:14-25, esp. v.21).
 

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Brother, there is one commandment in the law that if you disobey it, it will result in seperation from God for all eternity.

You better find out what that one commandment is, because you are on the very edge of it.
Christ took care of our separation from God, scripture is filled with information about
Christ. Surely you know of this?
 

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NOPE - NEVER

Whoever works on the Sabbath Rest of God will be cut off.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death
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for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’

You work(adding the law to Christ/Grace) on the Sabbath rest of God = you are not of faith in Christ Jesus.

For by Grace you have been saved, not of works lest any man should boast..............
God has prepared works for us to walk in that He has foreordained for us to do (Ephesians 2:10).

What you are talking about therefore, is works that a man might accomplish in order to try and save himself.
 
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God has prepared works for us to walk in that He has foreordained for us to do (Ephesians 2:10).

What you are talking about therefore, is works that a man might accomplish in order to try and save himself.
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the works of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Whoever works on the Lord's Sabbath Rest shall be put to death = John 3:16-18

Everyone must choose = the Law or CHRIST = you cannot serve two masters.

Ephesians 2:10 are works that God prepared beforehand that we should walk in = ZERO law = ALL from CHRIST thru Grace n Faith
 

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Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

The Law reflects OUR UNDERSTANDING of what we THINK God desires. The EXACT mistake of the Pharisees.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.


The Lord Jesus is the source of all our Blessings. Pretending to be obedient to the Law gives nothing, except pride.
The Pharisees mistake was in a bad interpretatin of law, I agree, but it was that they added to the law through their interpretation.

Christ told us that if we love God we will obey Him. Christ gave us ways to live for him and he spoke of how we live, not how we think.

We are protected by the Lord from this "pretenting". We are to give our will to God, to repent of our own will to sin and want to be obedient with faith in every word that comes from Christ. As we humble ourselves before Christ and bend to His will--that is being obedient with none of your pretense. Christ sums it up by saying "repent".

Your posts are not even pretending to obey law, they teach to ignore the law and rebel.
 

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Of course it does not puff me up in pride.

But I am saying that if anyone looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, they will be blessed in their deed (James 1:25).

This apparently contradicts what you have posted out of Galatians 3:10.

Now reconcile the two.

Of course, I have already reconciled them in a post above (https://christianchat.com/threads/galatians-discussion.203410/post-4745814).
The law of liberty is not a law that exempts us from all law, that is not the liberty it speaks of. That would be like taking away what side of the road different countries give as law so it prevents head on accidents. Rebellion to God's laws of the spirit frees us, sin binds us. The law is simply a tool to be used.