Anxiety

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Subhumanoidal

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Can anxiety be treated naturally?
It depends on the degree of anxiety. Lesser degrees of anxiety can be treated without medications, as natural supplements are an option.
The stronger the anxiety the less likely it can be treated naturally.
More importantly is knowing understanding anxiety and how you are affected by it. Then working from that core problem outwards.
Stronger anxiety may require the use of medications, but if used properly should only be temporary. Used as a means to lessen the symptoms so you can focus more on counseling and solutions. Then as you work through the sources of your anxiety you should be weened off the meds.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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It depends on the degree of anxiety. Lesser degrees of anxiety can be treated without medications, as natural supplements are an option.
The stronger the anxiety the less likely it can be treated naturally.
More importantly is knowing understanding anxiety and how you are affected by it. Then working from that core problem outwards.
Stronger anxiety may require the use of medications, but if used properly should only be temporary. Used as a means to lessen the symptoms so you can focus more on counseling and solutions. Then as you work through the sources of your anxiety you should be weened off the meds.
I'm not sure how I feel about therapy and counseling etc something about divulging inner thoughts to strangers is absurd to me.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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On a different note, why are some of my threads not approved and why do they need to go through approval?
 

Subhumanoidal

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I'm not sure how I feel about therapy and counseling etc something about divulging inner thoughts to strangers is absurd to me.
I've done it and had no qualms with it. My gf is doing it and has grown by leaps. I've known many people who've done it with no problem.
A good counselor simply helps lead you to conclusions and insights you're not able to see on your own, about yourself. This can unlock root issues that affect you daily.

As far as your other question, all new users have to have their new threads approved. This prevents trolls and such from joining and creating offensive threads.
I'm not sure when it end, but I believe at some point that should stop.
As to why they're not approved only a mod can answer that.
 

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I'm not sure how I feel about therapy and counseling etc something about divulging inner thoughts to strangers is absurd to me.
Sister that precept as you have described yourself having (above) is a very common thing with folks who sense the vulnerability that may be implicit with any disclosure of life experiences or thoughts to others in a counselling or even in a fellowship environment where the same modality of disclosure is applied. Whether we opt for speaking therapies with a psychologist or speaking therapies with a Christian councillor the same meaning applies. The only thing to realise in my saying that is that there are generally fewer women who feel that way than there are men. Unless you choose a female group to disclose in or else a female psychologist in clinic. Even in that meaning my own experience is that sisters who are unable to disclose to men are more likely to be unable to disclose to woman at all.

So why do some folks feel that way and why do all psychological therapies require that disclosure to implement their therapeutic modalities towards their clients?

The principle reason is because of a meaning that derives from the term clinical in context of trying to establish what it is that a person is experiencing so that therapeutic advice can be given. Those advices can vary enormously because all modalities of psychological therapy are grounded in theoretical frameworks associated with how that modality arises in neurology and formal settings either academically or else in practice.

Clinical situations provide numerous sources of information for the therapist - and the chief of these are expressed as presentation in language and physiognomy. Speech and body language.

The term body language is of course a little vulgar in this meaning and the term physiognomy is somewhat esoteric. But what it means is a visible observation of neurological expressions that are facially and somatically evidenced in the client. Perhaps a simple way of expressing that could be to say nervousness or increased nervousness when verbal exchanges are made voluntarily or else operantly induced by how the clients mind is working and how the mind transports in psychosomatic presentations. Tears, anger, fear are just a few ways that the central nervous system presents in the corpus of the body when the body visibly presents a clear sense of behavioural meanings that are seen in clinic . Facial presentations are often the simplest evidence of that meaning - but the words that are expressed in those moments are often taken as a more striking evidence of psychological problems.. So clinical disclosure in the clinic is often the only way a psychologist can begin to determine how they may be able to help the client.

You of course have expressed your position in a somewhat specific way because you have used the term absurd to express that distrust. That may be nothing more than a misunderstanding of the clinical process of establishing a persons psychological needs - and it could also be a discernment as a spiritual being that you sense the vulnerability you will experience due to some facet arising from a desire to derive a spiritual answer. However, it could be an intellectual meaning and could be grounded in a deep reservation arising out of having a mind that can rise above ordinary need - even your own. That kind of mind is not unusual - but it is rarely cogently expressed and so it often leads to a conflict internally and externally and so does not arrive at a solution.

You have also asked about natural therapies and you have identified anxiety as in the causal meaning. I read the OP in which you asked about your feelings towards men and so I am writing with that in mind as well.

Without a pathological and evidential reason to explain anxiety beyond the ordinary anxiety that is common to the overwhelming majority of men, woman and children, then you may have to approach your needs by trying to understand the central nervous system - expressly the sympathetic nervous system in the clinical definition of fear as well the enteric nervous system in contributing to depression. Desiring to alter your attitude to men which may have developed from predications in experience that are grounded in para sympathetic and sympathetic system responses (autonomic nervous system) that speak of fear in this presentation must also be cited to having a more likely behavioural or else operant meaning where psychosomatic learned behaviour can induce a more persistent anxiety - it is in that express meaning that a medical approach may be useful - where a clinical approach to speaking and observing behaviour may be limited in its benefit using talking therapies as a modality of recovery. However, with regard to your attitude to men - that is unlikely to be a simple matter of ordinary anxiety or autonomic responses to what men have done in your experience - And due to your expression of that issue then it may be wiser to also consider a broader issue of a form of mild depression.

In short Sister - you are either going to have to resist your sense of absurdity at disclosing your inner thoughts and experiences - or you are going to have learn some basic psychological and neurological facts about your body and mind. The Lord made you - I can assure you in His name that He can deliver you also.
 
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Can anxiety be treated naturally?
Yes. Chronic illness lasting for years seemed to be a major part of mine, which was so extreme that I could barely be social at all for probably 3-4 years.

Treating the underlying causes of my illness went a long ways towards making me less anxious around others again. I'm normally functional at present.

There can be a lot of factors involved with anxiety. Health is one, substances like caffeine could be another.
 
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On a different note, why are some of my threads not approved and why do they need to go through approval?
Yes, as a newbie here I'd like to know that too. My guess is that certain trigger words make a thread have to be approved by a live person before posting.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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I've done it and had no qualms with it. My gf is doing it and has grown by leaps. I've known many people who've done it with no problem.
A good counselor simply helps lead you to conclusions and insights you're not able to see on your own, about yourself. This can unlock root issues that affect you daily.

As far as your other question, all new users have to have their new threads approved. This prevents trolls and such from joining and creating offensive threads.
I'm not sure when it end, but I believe at some point that should stop.
As to why they're not approved only a mod can answer that.
Yea I tried doing it to no avail. I was asking for my daughter. She asked me to take her but I'm leery. I might benefit from it but I'm skeptical so I'm not sure it would have the desired outcome. But I don't want to deny her something that could help her and I wanted to try something before taking her. Yea I need help :(
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Yes. Chronic illness lasting for years seemed to be a major part of mine, which was so extreme that I could barely be social at all for probably 3-4 years.

Treating the underlying causes of my illness went a long ways towards making me less anxious around others again. I'm normally functional at present.

There can be a lot of factors involved with anxiety. Health is one, substances like caffeine could be another.
I don't drink coffee but I do drink tea I suppose that has caffeine.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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You of course have expressed your position in a somewhat specific way because you have used the term absurd to express that distrust. That may be nothing more than a misunderstanding of the clinical process of establishing a persons psychological needs - and it could also be a discernment as a spiritual being that you sense the vulnerability you will experience due to some facet arising from a desire to derive a spiritual answer. However, it could be an intellectual meaning and could be grounded in a deep reservation arising out of having a mind that can rise above ordinary need - even your own. That kind of mind is not unusual - but it is rarely cogently expressed and so it often leads to a conflict internally and externally and so does not arrive at a solution.

You have also asked about natural therapies and you have identified anxiety as in the causal meaning. I read the OP in which you asked about your feelings towards men and so I am writing with that in mind as well.

Without a pathological and evidential reason to explain anxiety beyond the ordinary anxiety that is common to the overwhelming majority of men, woman and children, then you may have to approach your needs by trying to understand the central nervous system - expressly the sympathetic nervous system in the clinical definition of fear as well the enteric nervous system in contributing to depression. Desiring to alter your attitude to men which may have developed from predications in experience that are grounded in para sympathetic and sympathetic system responses (autonomic nervous system) that speak of fear in this presentation must also be cited to having a more likely behavioural or else operant meaning where psychosomatic learned behaviour can induce a more persistent anxiety - it is in that express meaning that a medical approach may be useful - where a clinical approach to speaking and observing behaviour may be limited in its benefit using talking therapies as a modality of recovery. However, with regard to your attitude to men - that is unlikely to be a simple matter of ordinary anxiety or autonomic responses to what men have done in your experience - And due to your expression of that issue then it may be wiser to also consider a broader issue of a form of mild depression.

In short Sister - you are either going to have to resist your sense of absurdity at disclosing your inner thoughts and experiences - or you are going to have learn some basic psychological and neurological facts about your body and mind. The Lord made you - I can assure you in His name that He can deliver you also.
Thank you for taking the time to type all of this. I am wondering if you could elaborate on the parts I made bold. What's the difference with depression and anxiety? Also what's the difference with medical approach and clinical approach?
 

Subhumanoidal

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Yea I tried doing it to no avail. I was asking for my daughter. She asked me to take her but I'm leery. I might benefit from it but I'm skeptical so I'm not sure it would have the desired outcome. But I don't want to deny her something that could help her and I wanted to try something before taking her. Yea I need help :(
Yeah, step one of counseling is going in with openness and willingness.
When my gf started going, after my prompting, she was not crazy about the idea. She promised me she'd go in with an open mind. It's been a year since she started and she's still going.
So definitely your attitude affects what you get out of it. Thus it doesn't pay to push people into it.

We all need help, that just means you're normal. (=
 

shittim

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Can anxiety be treated naturally?
Magnesium supplements, get a bottle and take as directed for a few days and see if you feel better is one handy way I have read to see if your body needs it.
I have read good reports about Ashwanganda (SP?) herb for anxiety.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Magnesium supplements, get a bottle and take as directed for a few days and see if you feel better is one handy way I have read to see if your body needs it.
I have read good reports about Ashwanganda (SP?) herb for anxiety.
Nice, thanks I'll look it up
 

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Thank you for taking the time to type all of this. I am wondering if you could elaborate on the parts I made bold. What's the difference with depression and anxiety? Also what's the difference with medical approach and clinical approach?
So these are the emboldened parts:

That kind of mind is not unusual - but it is rarely cogently expressed and so it often leads to a conflict internally and externally and so does not arrive at a solution. Being qualified by "However, it could be an intellectual meaning and could be grounded in a deep reservation arising out of having a mind that can rise above ordinary need - even your own."

that speak of fear in this presentation must also be cited to having a more likely behavioural or else operant meaning where psychosomatic learned behaviour can induce a more persistent anxiety - it is in that express meaning that a medical approach may be useful - where a clinical approach to speaking and observing behaviour may be limited in its benefit using talking therapies as a modality of recovery. Being qualified by "Without a pathological and evidential reason to explain anxiety beyond the ordinary anxiety that is common to the overwhelming majority of men, woman and children, then you may have to approach your needs by trying to understand the central nervous system - expressly the sympathetic nervous system in the clinical definition of fear as well the enteric nervous system in contributing to depression. Desiring to alter your attitude to men which may have developed from predications in experience that are grounded in para sympathetic and sympathetic system responses (autonomic nervous system)"

Lastly

or you are going to have learn some basic psychological and neurological facts about your body and mind. Being predicated on "In short Sister - you are either going to have to resist your sense of absurdity at disclosing your inner thoughts and experiences."

So I will post my explanations in three separate posts in reverse order. But just now I have to get some beauty sleep.
 

Subhumanoidal

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Nice, thanks I'll look it up
Remember, not all anxiety is the same. Sometimes anxiety is situational. Such anxiety is likely to pass. Such as getting a new job and being anxious about it.

Other anxiety is deeper. What works may depend on the type you have. Or sometimes you just have to find what works for you.

So you know I've dealt with anxiety 15 years.
 

shittim

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Or you could do what scripture commands us to do, take it to the Lord for His guidance on what you should do and lean not on your own understanding.
 
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Nice, thanks I'll look it up
I second the magnesium. Sometimes, you might need B vitamins to help absorb it. Try magnesium chelate if you can get hold of it (some other forms of magnesium are less absorbed by the body), and take the recommended dose for 1 week. You should know if it makes a difference by then.
 

shittim

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Thanks, Magnesium is also one I here about concerning improved immune response, along with zinc and D3.
best wishes
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Remember, not all anxiety is the same. Sometimes anxiety is situational. Such anxiety is likely to pass. Such as getting a new job and being anxious about it.

Other anxiety is deeper. What works may depend on the type you have. Or sometimes you just have to find what works for you.

So you know I've dealt with anxiety 15 years.
And may I ask how you’ve managed it?