Synagogue of Satan

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Dino246

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#81
You keep coming back to that, but with no real evidence: the very definition of circular reasoning.
Wrong; circular reasoning is using the conclusion as a premise.

I just read what is there, the very meaning of simplicity.
No, what you did was read into the text the cultural definition of "Jew".

When pressed I backed it up with scripture, but clearly labeled mins as a possible explanation. You throw out dogma as fact and claim another meaning. You call it scripture, but is is opinion.
Do you think that my definition of "Jew" as "one in right relationship with God through faith" is merely opinion? Here the Scripture that proves you wrong:

Romans 2:28-29 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

You need to provide a clear, coherent explanation as to why Jesus would not be using this definition of "Jew" when dictating to John.

But as fact it changes the written word; something I am compelled to argue against.
Um, no, it doesn't.
 
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FrancisClare

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#82
Wrong; circular reasoning is using the conclusion as a premise.


No, what you did was read into the text the cultural definition of "Jew".


Do you think that my definition of "Jew" as "one in right relationship with God through faith" is merely opinion? Here the Scripture that proves you wrong:

Romans 2:28-29 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

You need to provide a clear, coherent explanation as to why Jesus would not be using this definition of "Jew" when dictating to John.


Um, no, it doesn't.
Well, actually we all know that it can. Utterly.
 
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FrancisClare

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#84
And such a personal change is greatly to be watched for. It can lead to the path to hell. Few things are as self evident as we think.
 
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FrancisClare

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#85
Sorry, I don't know to what you are referring.
We can so easily change vital understanding of the written word. And in practice that changes the "word. " because our understanding becomes the word for us. We have no other tool in the end.
 

Dino246

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#86
We can so easily change vital understanding of the written word. And in practice that changes the "word. " because our understanding becomes the word for us. We have no other tool in the end.
Agreed; people develop blinders and, I suspect, are functionally incapable of seeing what Scripture actually says. We are all susceptible to it. The blinders result from poor teaching, poor study habits, deception from outside, and from resistance to truth within.
 
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FrancisClare

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#87
Isn't is amazing how often scripture seems to agree so utterly with us! Our desire is powerful and can lead us by the nose.
 

studentoftheword

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#88
What do you think the "synagogue of Satan" is in Rev. 2 and 3? To me it's pretty clear these are professing Jews who reject Christ in favor of the unsaving Law.

Thoughts?


I say ------My thought is they are Jews by national decent but not Spiritually by circumcision.This group totally opposed and slandered the message of Christianity and were causing havoc in the Church ---see Rev 2 --Church of Smyrna

This scripture says not all Israel is --true Israel


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Grandpa

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#89
It is sad to see such antiSemitism on full display here. But I suppose to excise it we must expose it, so go ahead and get it out of your systems. I will say this to any Jews reading here though: my dad was an old school Southern Baptist minister; a country preacher who always worked to support his family because his churches could not pay a full salary (sometimes none at all). But it was on those old, hard pews listening to him preach that I learned of who God's people are. The Jews. I also learned that God's promises and callings are forever. We did not replace anyone or anything, and God did not revoke anything. Not to say I agree with contemporary Judaism, which is nothing like anything in the 1st cen. But I do respect it, and those who practice it. And I will ALWAYS take a stand against hatred of God's people.
It looks like you are taking a stand FOR the synagogue of Satan and AGAINST Gods People.

Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


The synagogue of Satan is those who SAY they are Jews and hate Christ.


What would be constructive, I think, is to explore that term that you used; antisemitism.

Is everyone who is against the religion of Judaism an antisemite? Is everyone who is of semitic descent practicing Judaism? I suppose you don't realize how stupid the term is until you try and define it.


I think that term antisemite is as useless and baseless as calling someone racist just to shut down all thought concerning the topic. There should be a term for people who do this. Aside from irrational. But irrational pretty much sums it up.
 

Nehemiah6

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#90
I think that term antisemite is as useless and baseless as calling someone racist just to shut down all thought concerning the topic.
Yes. Using the term "Anti-Semite" is like using the term "Islamophobia". It is meant to shut down all criticism of Satanist Jews and Islamist Muslims. And it seems to work in the West because people are too cowardly and promote political correctness over truth.

Now here's the interesting thing (of which most people are not even aware). Benjamin Disraeli was a Hebrew Christian -- a converted Jew -- who was prime minister of England under Queen Victoria. He spoke out very strongly against the "secret societies" or "secret elite" or "Jewish cabal" which was manipulating world events and trying to make a one-world government (which is in fact the goal of the Antichrist as seen in Revelation 13).

"Then, after the outbreaks of 1848, Disraeli returned to the subject, telling the House of Commons in 1852: "The influence of the Jews may be traced in the last outbreak of the destructive principle in Europe. An insurrection takes place against tradition and aristocracy, against religion and property. .. The natural equality of men and the abrogation of property are proclaimed by the secret societies who form provisional governments and men of Jewish race are found at the head of every one of them" (exactly the same thing recurred in Russia, in 1917, that is, seventy years after the 1848 outbreaks). "
The Controversy of Zion, p. 166.

This is not a condemnation of all Jews, but only the secret Satanist cabal of Jews belonging to the Synagogue of Satan. In the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, we see that they wish to crown the Antichrist as "our sovereign Lord of all the world" (capitalization in original translation from Russian): “WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO.”

The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew who will claim to be the true Messiah -- both Christ and God. He will sit in the future temple in Jerusalem, set up the Abomination of Desolation, and demand that the whole world take the Mark of the Beast. Orthodox Jews are still waiting for their "Messiah" (since they have rejected Christ), so they will be fooled by this Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition.
 

cdan2

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#91
Boy, leave for an hour or so and the forum runs away.

Wrong; circular reasoning is using the conclusion as a premise.
Your foregone conclusion is I cannot be right about the verse saying what it does which you use as your premise ...

No, what you did was read into the text the cultural definition of "Jew".
and around we go.

Do you think that my definition of "Jew" as "one in right relationship with God through faith" is merely opinion? Here the Scripture that proves you wrong:

Romans 2:28-29 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

You need to provide a clear, coherent explanation as to why Jesus would not be using this definition of "Jew" when dictating to John.
No, what I believe is your dogmatic idea that only your conclusion can be right changes scripture. Were you to state it as a possible explanation I would have no problem, as I said earlier. But since you like the circle and argue against anything outside your narrow interpretation, bere we are again.[/QUOTE]
 
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#92
What do you think the "synagogue of Satan" is in Rev. 2 and 3? To me it's pretty clear these are professing Jews who reject Christ in favor of the unsaving Law.

Thoughts?
I haven't read all the comments to this, so I could be repeating someone, but in my opinion, this verse is symbolic. The churches are symbolic of different types of Christians but also different phases and spiritual diseases that can come to characterize any Christian. Such disease has to be cleared up. It has to be fixed because the end is near. Judgement is coming. There's really no time left. That said, the synagogue of Satan Jesus refers to in 2:9 is the type of Christian you run into all the time. They claim to be in Christ, but they actually follow everything Satan tells them to do--including going to church. Their lives worship Satan because they are all about living in the physical world as if the world will never end. They mock Christ in everything they do because people see them and discount the majesty and power of Christ as a result. They nullify his Word. These so-called Christians are really satanists--they just don't know it, and worse, they just don't care.

Oh, and don't forget, these Christian satanists, they do everything in their power to persecute those who are truly in Christ.
 

cdan2

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Agreed; people develop blinders and, I suspect, are functionally incapable of seeing what Scripture actually says. We are all susceptible to it. The blinders result from poor teaching, poor study habits, deception from outside, and from resistance to truth within.
And yet you cling to the idea that only you can be right.
 

Dino246

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#94
Boy, leave for an hour or so and the forum runs away.



Your foregone conclusion is I cannot be right about the verse saying what it does which you use as your premise ...



and around we go.



No, what I believe is your dogmatic idea that only your conclusion can be right changes scripture. Were you to state it as a possible explanation I would have no problem, as I said earlier. But since you like the circle and argue against anything outside your narrow interpretation, bere we are again.
I have a sound scriptural basis for my view. Your view contradicts Scripture. We can repeat our positions till the Lord comes back, and those two statements will still be true.
 

Dino246

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#95
And yet you cling to the idea that only you can be right.
Incorrect; I cling to the certainty that my position is consistent with Scripture. I don't care about "right".
 

cdan2

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#96
I think that term antisemite is as useless and baseless as calling someone racist just to shut down all thought concerning the topic. There should be a term for people who do this. Aside from irrational. But irrational pretty much sums it up.
I'm not going to reply to the rest of your slanderous post. Not even going to reply in kind. But the last part there needs to be addressed. Whenever people quote the Protocols, they are engaging in antiSemitism. They can dress it up however they want, but those have been used for decades to stir up murderous hatred for the Jews. So is the narrow definition of Rev 2:9 to say it can only mean Jews attacking Christians. The term is not used to shut people down, as I expected it would stir them up. And it did, and I discussed it with them. So you are wrong.
 

cdan2

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I have a sound scriptural basis for my view. Your view contradicts Scripture. We can repeat our positions till the Lord comes back, and those two statements will still be true. ... Incorrect; I cling to the certainty that my position is consistent with Scripture. I don't care about "right".
And around we go. How many times do I have to answer that? Let's see, a scriptural basis ... :

Proverbs 26:4 ESV 4 Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself.

You are like a broken record. Come up with something different or we're done.
 

cdan2

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This is not a condemnation of all Jews, but only the secret Satanist cabal of Jews belonging to the Synagogue of Satan. In the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, we see that they wish to crown the Antichrist as "our sovereign Lord of all the world" (capitalization in original translation from Russian): “WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO.”

The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew who will claim to be the true Messiah -- both Christ and God. He will sit in the future temple in Jerusalem, set up the Abomination of Desolation, and demand that the whole world take the Mark of the Beast. Orthodox Jews are still waiting for their "Messiah" (since they have rejected Christ), so they will be fooled by this Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition.
It is a condemnation of all Jews. That's how it was meant when it was written, and how it has been used since, to murderous effect! And according to the Bible, the Antichrist will likely be Assyrian:

Micah 5:2-5, 12, 24
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But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah,
who are too little to be among the clans of Judah,
from you shall come forth for me
one who is to be ruler in Israel,
whose coming forth is from of old,
from ancient days.
3 Therefore he shall give them up until the time
when she who is in labor has given birth;
then the rest of his brothers shall return
to the people of Israel.
4 And he shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord,
in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.
And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great
to the ends of the earth.
5 And he shall be their peace.
When the Assyrian comes into our land
and treads in our palaces,
then we will raise against him seven shepherds
and eight princes of men;Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the ASSYRIAN: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

Isaiah talked about it:
Isaiah 30:30-31 30 And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones. 31 For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

There are other proofs, and a lot of Bible scholars such as Chuck Missler have come to this conclusion. I'd trust Missler much more than the Protocols.

When you say "Orthodox Jews," that actually refers to a specific sect with several branches. And yes, they and other Jews have rejected Jesus. However there is a real awakening in Israel right now, and many have come to Christ. And if you think about it, all the world except the Jews are Gentiles, and by far most are not believers. As a percentage I suspect more Jews are saved than Gentiles, though the numbers are probably very low. So instead of stirring up hatred with the Protocols, maybe we should focus more on witnessing to everyone.

As to the conspiracy to end us (and yes, I believe there is one), it will succeed at the appointed time. I firmly believe the only thing that will save the US and subsequently the world is a huge revival across this land:

2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The Protocols will not heal. They only ever have served to incite murder.
 
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FrancisClare

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It is a condemnation of all Jews. That's how it was meant when it was written, and how it has been used since, to murderous effect! And according to the Bible, the Antichrist will likely be Assyrian:

Micah 5:2-5, 12, 24
2
But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah,
who are too little to be among the clans of Judah,
from you shall come forth for me
one who is to be ruler in Israel,
whose coming forth is from of old,
from ancient days.
3 Therefore he shall give them up until the time
when she who is in labor has given birth;
then the rest of his brothers shall return
to the people of Israel.
4 And he shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord,
in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.
And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great
to the ends of the earth.
5 And he shall be their peace.
When the Assyrian comes into our land
and treads in our palaces,
then we will raise against him seven shepherds
and eight princes of men;Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the ASSYRIAN: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

Isaiah talked about it:
Isaiah 30:30-31 30 And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones. 31 For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

There are other proofs, and a lot of Bible scholars such as Chuck Missler have come to this conclusion. I'd trust Missler much more than the Protocols.

When you say "Orthodox Jews," that actually refers to a specific sect with several branches. And yes, they and other Jews have rejected Jesus. However there is a real awakening in Israel right now, and many have come to Christ. And if you think about it, all the world except the Jews are Gentiles, and by far most are not believers. As a percentage I suspect more Jews are saved than Gentiles, though the numbers are probably very low. So instead of stirring up hatred with the Protocols, maybe we should focus more on witnessing to everyone.

As to the conspiracy to end us (and yes, I believe there is one), it will succeed at the appointed time. I firmly believe the only thing that will save the US and subsequently the world is a huge revival across this land:

2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The Protocols will not heal. They only ever have served to incite murder.
Now that's the truth.
 

Dino246

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And around we go. How many times do I have to answer that? Let's see, a scriptural basis ... :

Proverbs 26:4 ESV 4 Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself.

You are like a broken record. Come up with something different or we're done.
Then I guess we're done.