Concave Hollow Earth Theory

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JStates

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I've seen that Chicago skyline footage before. A couple of flat earthers rented a boat, waited for a day with similar optical conditions, and then took the boat right up to the city, demonstrating the entire time that the city skyline remained in direct line of sight and could not be a mirage. Anyways, a superior mirage is inverted, not simply moved upwards.

So, the Chicago skyline footage is evidence that the Earth is NOT a globe.... but it could support a flat earth view. It could also support your concave hollow Earth view with your hypothesis that light swoops or curves, because to the boaters coming in, they would perceive the light as if it were coming to them in a straight line.

So in this case, the Chicago skyline being visible at ridiculous range cannot be explained by the globers. You just need to show why the concave hollow explanation is better than flat earth or why flat earth doesn't work.

I will say that a big Scriptural hurdle I see for the concave hollow Earth is also a big problem for the globers: a lack of a real absolute directional up or down, which the Scriptures seems to support:

(Isa 40:22) "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

It would seem to me that the concave hollow Earth with God at the center has a big directional problem with this verse here... He is now sitting within the Earth, not UPON, ON, ABOVE, or OVER it.
 
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JStates said:
I've seen that Chicago skyline footage before. A couple of flat earthers rented a boat, waited for a day with similar optical conditions, and then took the boat right up to the city, demonstrating the entire time that the city skyline remained in direct line of sight and could not be a mirage. Anyways, a superior mirage is inverted, not simply moved upwards.

So, the Chicago skyline footage is evidence that the Earth is NOT a globe.... but it could support a flat earth view. It could also support your concave hollow Earth view with your hypothesis that light swoops or curves, because to the boaters coming in, they would perceive the light as if it were coming to them in a straight line.

So in this case, the Chicago skyline being visible at ridiculous range cannot be explained by the globers. You just need to show why the concave hollow explanation is better than flat earth or why flat earth doesn't work.

I will say that a big Scriptural hurdle I see for the concave hollow Earth is also a big problem for the globers: a lack of a real absolute directional up or down, which the Scriptures seems to support:

(Isa 40:22) "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

It would seem to me that the concave hollow Earth with God at the center has a big directional problem with this verse here... He is now sitting within the Earth, not UPON, ON, ABOVE, or OVER it.
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You are actually the first person that has given excellent replies in this thread, so you are a friend in my book.

As far as the flat earth, this video pretty much ends the discussion in my view.


As far as...

(Isa 40:22) "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

There are many circles in a ball shape, like the concave hollow earth theory explains.

Here is another translation...

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. NKJB

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/40-22.htm

I think it's not much of hurdle that God sits above the earth in all directions, looking down on us like grasshoppers. If God is literally sitting on the earth, like your implying (or word for word like the KJB version), than satelite images should of picked HIM up awhile ago.
 
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I'm gonna go one step further and say, all signs point to a stationary, concave, and hollow earth.

Not only do flights prove that the flat earth is wrong, it also disproves that the earth is moving.

How so, you might ask? Well, according to a convex earth, the earth is traveling one thousand miles per hour. If the earth is traveling at this speed, why do planes take approximately the same time from going from one destination, and back again, if the earth is moving? This is something serious to think about....REALLY!

Planes defy gravity, so planes in flight, are not bound by gravity.

Einstein said, relativity will fix this. Well, from a human perspective on earth, which we all share, there is no indication that the earth is moving. If we lived on the sun, or the moon, than yes, your perspective would be from there, the earth is moving, but we don't live on the sun, or moon. We live on the earth. To say the earth is moving from the moon's or sun's perspective, is a scientific trick, that has fooled the masses.

Anyone, that can just observe what is happening, will know there is no indication that the earth is moving. Go online and book a round trip flight, notice that both directions takes approximately the same time?!?! Eureka!!!!

How can you say that the earth is moving, but a round trip flight, it takes relatively the same time?!?! You will have to go into quantum physics or voodoo science to explain this away. From an observational perspective, the earth is standing still. Please prove differently, if you disagree.


Now a would like to further point out, that sun halos would indicate a glass ceiling, which is part of the concave-hollow-earth model.


I think from an observational perspective, the concave-hollow-earth is the only one that makes sense. If you believe in dual realities, than you can keep your convex earth, that is traveling around the sun at 1,000 miles per hour.

It's almost baffling, that people will argue that the earth is moving, but have taken flights, that prove other wise. Correct me, if I'm wrong.

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I believe this ends the convex earth theory controversy.
 
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kinda said:
I'm gonna go one step further and say, all signs point to a stationary, concave, and hollow earth.

Not only do flights prove that the flat earth is wrong, it also disproves that the earth is moving.

How so, you might ask? Well, according to a convex earth, the earth is traveling one thousand miles per hour. If the earth is traveling at this speed, why do planes take approximately the same time from going from one destination, and back again, if the earth is moving? This is something serious to think about....REALLY!

Planes defy gravity, so planes in flight, are not bound by gravity.

Einstein said, relativity will fix this. Well, from a human perspective on earth, which we all share, there is no indication that the earth is moving. If we lived on the sun, or the moon, than yes, your perspective would be from there, the earth is moving, but we don't live on the sun, or moon. We live on the earth. To say the earth is moving from the moon's or sun's perspective, is a scientific trick, that has fooled the masses.

Anyone, that can just observe what is happening, will know there is no indication that the earth is moving. Go online and book a round trip flight, notice that both directions takes approximately the same time?!?! Eureka!!!!

How can you say that the earth is moving, but a round trip flight, it takes relatively the same time?!?! You will have to go into quantum physics or voodoo science to explain this away. From an observational perspective, the earth is standing still. Please prove differently, if you disagree.


Now a would like to further point out, that sun halos would indicate a glass ceiling, which is part of the concave-hollow-earth model.


I think from an observational perspective, the concave-hollow-earth is the only one that makes sense. If you believe in dual realities, than you can keep your convex earth, that is traveling around the sun at 1,000 miles per hour.

It's almost baffling, that people will argue that the earth is moving, but have taken flights, that prove other wise. Correct me, if I'm wrong.

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Were you going to say something here? It looks like you just quoted me, than forgot to post a comment.
 
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Neil deGrasse Tyson Admits The Earth Is Concave

Neil deGrasse Tyson (US: /dəˈɡræs/ or UK: /dəˈɡrɑːs/; born October 5, 1958) is an American astrophysicist, planetary scientist, author, and science communicator. Tyson studied at Harvard University, the University of Texas at Austin, and Columbia University. From 1991 to 1994, he was a postdoctoral research associate at Princeton University. In 1994, he joined the Hayden Planetarium as a staff scientist and the Princeton faculty as a visiting research scientist and lecturer. In 1996, he became director of the planetarium and oversaw its $210 million reconstruction project, which was completed in 2000. Since 1996, he has been the director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City. The center is part of the American Museum of Natural History, where Tyson founded the Department of Astrophysics in 1997 and has been a research associate in the department since 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson


God always provides and God is awesome! I found a site that is dedicated to the Concave Hollow Earth, so it will be amazing to communicate with people who actually believe the same way about the earth as I do.


Photo taken from site below.

https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm
 
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I've never bumped into this idea before! How very curious. A bit hard to wrap my little brain around.
 
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Ok, I'm a huge fan of Dr. Neil. Bit that little clip didn't go on long enough to establish anything.
 
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Were you going to say something here? It looks like you just quoted me, than forgot to post a comment.
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Ya, I don't know how I did that. Sorry. Really didn't mean to.

No I wasn't going to say anything. I'm still trying to figure out what this theory is about!
 
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And I really really don't get it!
 
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And I really really don't get it!
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I think this is one of the few times that dyslexia has it's advantages. We see things different, backwards, scrambled, and have learning disabilities when reading.

Basically, if you want to understand the Concave Hollow Earth model, look at this picture.

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The theory is that we live in a gigantic ball shape universe. The very inner parts are heaven, where the planets, sun, stars, and moon orbit inside the earth. Humans live on the inside walls of the earth, like the picture shows above. The earth is stationary and no one really knows what is outside of the earth's crust. God is the center of the earth, as well as the heavens.

The earth is enclosed like a basketball, but the picture is cracked like an egg, so you can see the inner workings of the model. The planets, sun, moon, and stars are all basically scaled down to size to fit inside the earth, not outside of it. This concave hollow earth model basically makes the universe the earth, unlike the heliocentric model, where the earth is just a tiny planet is a very large universe.

Another way of looking at it, a chicken egg would be a good illustration of the concave hollow earth, life is inside the chicken egg, not outside the chicken egg, like the heliocentric model would teach. Can you sorta see how the picture above could be like a cracked chicken egg? I'm not sure how else I can simplify this.



The concave earth theory isn't at all mainstream and most will scoff at it, like you might of seen in some of the posts in this thread. I believe it has merit and it's more than possible to be true.
 
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What an elegant argument! I taught rhetoric and persuasion my entire career (have a PhD in it) and I would have given you an A just for putting that argument together.

Hmmm.... I will go to sleep thinking on such an elegant argument. Thank you. You've pleased a silly old lady very much.
 
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Hmmm.... Yes, my goodness that's a wonderful analogy. Just wonderful. Sends shivers up my spine and i have read it through now more than once.
 
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I will come back and read that again tomorrow when I'm more awake. Anyone who can make such a case so clearly deserves a persons full attention. Bless you for your clarity. Really, bless you. That is something to respect.
 
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FrancisClare said:
I will come back and read that again tomorrow when I'm more awake. Anyone who can make such a case so clearly deserves a persons full attention. Bless you for your clarity. Really, bless you. That is something to respect.
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Thank you for your kind words, I really appreciate it!
 
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Nothing thrills me more than a well constructed argument. I spent years trying to teach students how to do it. Without great success I might add.
 
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Nothing thrills me more than a well constructed argument. I spent years trying to teach students how to do it. Without great success I might add.
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One of my favorite classes was philosophy - logic. It taught me how to construct premises and conclusions. Critical thinking and reason are great skills to have.

I'm a little surprised that you liked my explanation so much. It is a pleasant surprise over some of the lesser replies that this topic received. So, what topic did you write your thesis on?

So, basically you really like good reasoning?

To be honest, I appreciate the support. I hope one day the Concave Hollow Earth Theory will be taken a little more serious. I was thinking about writing a thesis on the subject, but not really interested about it actually be credited with any university, but just wanted to have a piece of work that helps the cause. It would be fun also maybe to see all the reactions of people reading it.

I know the topic is really out there and it won't be taken to serious, but it will help me understand the theory more, when I hear the arguments that don't agree. The mocking, jokes, and general disregard doesn't help to much. lol
 
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Yes, I loved logic also. Don't be discouraged! Get your arguments out there. I wrote my thesis on Gertrude Stein. I'm still not sure what I wrote my dissertation on! Can't believe they accepted it!
 
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You're right, writing helps us clarify. My father said that we don't really understand things until we can work them out in writing. I've found that to be true for myself.
 
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