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[VineyardsOfEngedi]

So this post answered my question (I realize gotime no longer is active but maybe someone else can help me).

I have no issue with someone wanting to faithfully keep the word of God concerning the Sabbath but how do you do it? The first day of the month is the new moon, the Sabbaths are then the 7th, 14th, 21st, and then the 28th is a 2-3 day New Moon sabbath. Are you self employed? Obviously if you are trying to faithfully keep the word of God you certainly wouldn't profane God's word by thinking Saturn's day, a day named after Satan was God's Sabbath.

But the new moon doesn't fall on the first every time on a traditional calendar. So recently my pastor made a point that Jesus was in the temple speaking on God's word and in the afternoon he was helping the sick, hungry, healing etc I think this is the biblical right way to keep the Sabbath and the the Pharisee self imposed constraints.

 

[ZNP]

They believe the fourth commandment of keeping the Sabbath and they believe that the Catholics changed it from the Sabbath to Sunday, since the Catholics themselves have claimed this.

But Saturday is not the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the 7th day from the New Moon, and then the 14th, 21st and 28th days. How can you push people to keep the Sabbath and then tell them it is "Saturn's day" a reference to Satan?

 

[ZNP]

But the new moon doesn't fall on the first every time on a traditional calendar. So recently my pastor made a point that Jesus was in the temple speaking on God's word and in the afternoon he was helping the sick, hungry, healing etc I think this is the biblical right way to keep the Sabbath and the the Pharisee self imposed constraints.

The "traditional" calendar is not the Biblical calendar. The Hebrew Calendar uses the New moon to determine the first day of every month.

If you want to keep the Sabbath day that seems Biblical and fine with the NT, Paul never says you shouldn't. But if you are going to honor God shouldn't you actually keep the day that God ordained?

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

Why would Matthew write something that was not true? The Hebrew day began and ended at sunset.

But according to Genesis it does begin at dawn, so he wasn't writing something false.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. And God said, let there be light; and there was light.
4. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So clearly he said let there be light in verse 3 and then in verse 5 came evening and the morning again and that equated the first day and if you continue this pattern without the pauses you can see that the morning from verse 5 continues to the evening and the morning of verse 8

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

But Saturday is not the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the 7th day from the New Moon, and then the 14th, 21st and 28th days. How can you push people to keep the Sabbath and then tell them it is "Saturn's day" a reference to Satan?

LOL yes this is what I'm saying

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

But the new moon doesn't fall on the first every time on a traditional calendar. So recently my pastor made a point that Jesus was in the temple speaking on God's word in the morning and in the afternoon he was helping the sick, hungry, healing etc I think this is the biblical right way to keep the Sabbath and the the Pharisee self imposed constraints.

I forgot in the morning

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

The "traditional" calendar is not the Biblical calendar. The Hebrew Calendar uses the New moon to determine the first day of every month.

If you want to keep the Sabbath day that seems Biblical and fine with the NT, Paul never says you shouldn't. But if you are going to honor God shouldn't you actually keep the day that God ordained?

I think we're saying the same thing. Though the "Jewish" people today are not keeping the correct Sabbath either nor are the Muslims etc

 

[Faithiskey1]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

May I ask you, what do you believe is a Christian's righteousness before God the whole of their life?

 

[ZNP]

I think we're saying the same thing. Though the "Jewish" people today are not keeping the correct Sabbath either nor are the Muslims etc

Yes, when Jesus was crucified their covenant was cut off just like a divorce or legal separation.

 

[Celyn]

Hi all. Can anyone answer this for me?
I just recently started reading the bible and I'm still figuring things out. And there's one verse that's been bugging me. It's this one:


Exodus 21:20-21
New International Version
“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

How would you explain this? The slave died, does it matter if it's a day later?
Please be respectful in the comments. I came here to learn.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

May I ask you, what do you believe is a Christian's righteousness before God the whole of their life?

Good question, I hope someone answers. He hasn't been active since Dec, 2020.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

I suppose I derailed the thread

 

[Dino246]

May I ask you, what do you believe is a Christian's righteousness before God the whole of their life?

Welcome to CC! While the user "Gotime" may still be around, you may want to take not of the date on which a post was made (upper left of the post) before responding to it.

 

[Faithiskey1]

You avoided the question: Can the saved break the Ten Commandments if the Ten Commandments are only for sinners?

It's a Yes of No question.

If Yes, they we can worship Satan.
If No, then there's obligation on the part of the Christian (hint: Paul calls that "reasonable service".)

Then why did Paul say we ought to not steal?
Why did he say we ought to obey our parents according to the "first commandment with promise"?
Why did he say the law was good in that it showed him that "lust" violated "thou shalt not covet"?
Why did he say the law was "holy, just, and good"?
Why did he uphold every single one of the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9 KJV?
Why does he sweep away the Mosaic Law, saying circumcision is optional, keeping feast days is optional, keeping feast day menus is optional, but always upheld the Ten Commandments, as did all the other NT writers?

Brother, until we learn the Biblical distinction between the Mosaic Law written by him and the Moral Law God wrote with His finger in stone signifying the eternal nature of it, we'll continue to confuse the issue and take verses intended to condemn legalism as condemnation of "reasonable service" obedience to the Ten Commandments.

You do know the bible refers to the ten commandments as the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation don't you

 

[Dino246]

But according to Genesis it does begin at dawn, so he wasn't writing something false.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. And God said, let there be light; and there was light.
4. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So clearly he said let there be light in verse 3 and then in verse 5 came evening and the morning again and that equated the first day and if you continue this pattern without the pauses you can see that the morning from verse 5 continues to the evening and the morning of verse 8

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day

I'm not sure if your post #1226 was a retraction of this or not. Assuming it wasn't...

God clearly places evening before morning, but you claim that, according to Genesis, the day begins at dawn. Could you please explain this (glaring) inconsistency?

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

I'm not sure if your post #1226 was a retraction of this or not. Assuming it wasn't...

God clearly places evening before morning, but you claim that, according to Genesis, the day begins at dawn. Could you please explain this (glaring) inconsistency?

Sorry I don't understand the question, I answered in the same post? I said that he created the light so it was morning in verse 3 then it became evening and morning first day in verse 5

So morning evening morning = first day. Creation began with the light then came evening and morning first day. The bible verse in Matthew indicates that at dawn was the beginning of the first day which was also when the sabbath actually ends since the verse clearly says at the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn... etc

 

[Dino246]

Sorry I don't understand the question, I answered in the same post? I said that he created the light so it was morning in verse 3 then it became evening and morning first day in verse 5

So morning evening morning = first day. Creation began with the light then came evening and morning first day. The bible verse in Matthew indicates that at dawn was the beginning of the first day which was also when the sabbath actually ends since the verse clearly says at the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn... etc

Actually, creation began with "God created the heaven(s) and the earth) in verse 1. The activity of day 1 did not begin with the creation of light, or "morning" as you called it. Every other day that is so described is "evening" and then "morning".

To which verse in Matthew are you referring?

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

Actually, creation began with "God created the heaven(s) and the earth) in verse 1. The activity of day 1 did not begin with the creation of light, or "morning" as you called it. Every other day that is so described is "evening" and then "morning".

To which verse in Matthew are you referring?

I didn't mean the beginning of creation I'm say that first came the light in verse three then came the evening and morning in verse 5 why would evening come if it wasn't daytime first. And Matthew 28:1 ... at the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn on the first day of the week....

 

[kinda]

I suppose I derailed the thread

Did you see my post that recommended you to start your own thread? Here was your response, just for a reminder.

Yes, clearly those verses in any version you pick indicates that the day begins at dawn not sunset. And I don't know what you mean by stay on topic? What topic? I thought they were talking about the Sabbath so I put my two cents, my bad. No need for a thread, that's all I have to say on my input.

 

[Dino246]

I didn't mean the beginning of creation I'm say that first came the light in verse three then came the evening and morning in verse 5 why would evening come if it wasn't daytime first. And Matthew 28:1 ... at the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn on the first day of the week....

I can understand your point, but "evening" does not necessarily require a preceding period of light. In this case, God may well have meant the period before He created light as "evening". For Matthew 28:1, your translation says, "at the end of the Sabbath"; the NIV (along with most English translations) says, "after the Sabbath". The meanings are related, but different.