Synagogue of Satan

[Dino246]

On God's word! I just gave you the reference.

No, you did not base your claim on God's word. God's word does not say anything about the 'Jews but are not' being Gentiles. Please try again.

 

[FrancisClare]

It is sad to see such antiSemitism on full display here. But I suppose to excise it we must expose it, so go ahead and get it out of your systems. I will say this to any Jews reading here though: my dad was an old school Southern Baptist minister; a country preacher who always worked to support his family because his churches could not pay a full salary (sometimes none at all). But it was on those old, hard pews listening to him preach that I learned of who God's people are. The Jews. I also learned that God's promises and callings are forever. We did not replace anyone or anything, and God did not revoke anything. Not to say I agree with contemporary Judaism, which is nothing like anything in the 1st cen. But I do respect it, and those who practice it. And I will ALWAYS take a stand against hatred of God's people.

Thank you very much. My parents were holocaust scholars. And righteous gentiles are great heroes. You are a righteous gentile. Your path will be hard but the road straight. Bless you.

 

[FrancisClare]

Fabricated by whom? Proof? Have you actually read it?

I've read parts of it. Certainly not enough. I apologize for my ignorance. I will attempt to remedy that.

 

[FrancisClare]

I am grateful that people are speaking openly. Ideas must be shared and tested by honest souls.

 

[Dino246]

What do you think the "synagogue of Satan" is in Rev. 2 and 3? To me it's pretty clear these are professing Jews who reject Christ in favor of the unsaving Law.

Thoughts?

I think Jesus meant what He said. He is employing the term "Jews" to mean what Paul meant in Romans: not all who are descended from Abraham are Jews. Just having the correct lineage does not make someone a Jew. Rather, right relationship with God through faith is what makes someone a true Jew, whether his lineage is directly from Abraham or not.

Those Hebrews who, around AD 60 were still rejecting Christ and practicing 'Levitical Judaism,' were no longer considered Jews by God. They had rejected His Messiah and cut themselves off from His grace. They were, at that point, following the corrupted teachings of the Satan, not the teachings of God.

 

[cdan2]

Fabricated by whom? Proof? Have you actually read it?

A simple internet search turned up several proofs, some complex and some simple. Here's a simple one: The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

I've read parts of it, and decided it was not worth studying. Son, I was a conspiracy nut probably before you were born (unless you are REALLY old!). You won't tell me much I am not at least familiar with. Just maybe some I really hate.

 

[FrancisClare]

Sorry I goofed on that one - ignore it please.

 

[FrancisClare]

A simple internet search turned up several proofs, some complex and some simple. Here's a simple one: The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

I've read parts of it, and decided it was not worth studying. Son, I was a conspiracy nut probably before you were born (unless you are REALLY old!). You won't tell me much I am not at least familiar with. Just maybe some I really hate.

Thank you for the citation.

 

[cdan2]

You speak from ignorance.

I am not going to get into an ad homenum debate with you. If that's all ya' got, get thee behind me ...

 

[cdan2]

No, you did not base your claim on God's word. God's word does not say anything about the 'Jews but are not' being Gentiles. Please try again.

I clearly quoted it for you, even underlined it! You may ignore it as you like, but it is there for all to see.

Your interpretation is the "party line" in most churches. And one possible meaning. However it is not what is said. Those men claimed to be Jews but were not.

 

[Dino246]

I clearly quoted it for you, even underlined it! You may ignore it as you like, but it is there for all to see.

There is nothing about 'Gentiles' there at all. You're engaging in eisegesis.

 

[cdan2]

There is nothing about 'Gentiles' there at all. You're engaging in eisegesis.

I'd say it is the other way around. You read into it your own prejudices based on catholic dogma. I simply read what is there. And since biblically the world is divided into 2 types of people, Jews and Gentiles, if they were not Jews, then they were Gentiles. It's a simple syllogism.

 

[Dino246]

I'd say it is the other way around. You read into it your own prejudices based on catholic dogma.

Any other baseless assumptions you care to make? Do you treat strangers this badly in real life?

I simply read what is there. And since biblically the world is divided into 2 types of people, Jews and Gentiles, if they were not Jews, then they were Gentiles. It's a simple syllogism.

I understand both versions of the distinction. I explained in a previous post; Jesus is not confused about who the real Jews are, and His criteria is not based on genealogy.

 

[FrancisClare]

Any other baseless assumptions you care to make? Do you treat strangers this badly in real life?


I understand both versions of the distinction. I explained in a previous post; Jesus is not confused about who the real Jews are, and His criteria is not based on genealogy.

Such a fascinating argument!

 

[FrancisClare]

Really fine thinking people here! What a blessing!

 

[FrancisClare]

What are trophies here? I just got one.

 

[Moses_Young]

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion has been thoroughly debunked as a fraud by so many people, yet it still shows up in the hands of Jew-haters (antiSemites is too clinical, too weak a term here).

I think the word used by many Jews is "forgery" rather than "fraud". Forgery indicates that the source document is authentic, even if the retrieved document is not.

If you had read the document, you would have learned it wasn't anti-Semitic. The scheme of these people (outlined within the document) is to pretend to be Jews, so that the Jewish people take the blame for any of their crimes which comes to light. How is revealing such a conspiracy anti-Semitic (unless your claim is that all the Jewish people are indeed part of this conspiracy, which in and of itself would be anti-Semitic)?

Much of what was outlined in the document has unfolded in the history of our world, so I believe it is ignorant to claim the document is a fraud.

 

[FrancisClare]

I think the word used by many Jews is "forgery" rather than "fraud". Forgery indicates that the source document is authentic, even if the retrieved document is not.

If you had read the document, you would have learned it wasn't anti-Semitic. The scheme of these people (outlined within the document) is to pretend to be Jews, so that the Jewish people take the blame for any of their crimes which comes to light. How is revealing such a conspiracy anti-Semitic (unless your claim is that all the Jewish people are indeed part of this conspiracy, which in and of itself would be anti-Semitic)?

Much of what was outlined in the document has unfolded in the history of our world, so I believe it is ignorant to claim the document is a fraud.

I have to disagree. Well actually I don't know enough to do so. But its a document that allowed people to justify great evil and much suffering, and that is a tragedy.

 

[Blik]

I don't think, I know; because God told me:

Revelation 2:9 ESV “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander [Gk blasphemy] of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

They were Gentiles falsely claiming to be Jews, probably to gain some credibility in the synagogue.

I believe you are not interpreting this correctly. There were Hebrews who were circumcised in the flesh but not in the heart. God was saying these Jews were no Jews because they cut their flesh.

 

[FrancisClare]

I believe you are not interpreting this correctly. There were Hebrews who were circumcised in the flesh but not in the heart. God was saying these Jews were no Jews because they cut their flesh.

Fascinating! Please go on!