The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Marilyn]

If you are looking for textbook answers you will not find them. If you are looking for spiritually discerned truth you will find it. After all Paul calls it " a great mystery".

THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST
Now ye are the Body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the Church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (1 Cor 12:27,28) So we, being many, are one Body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (Rom 12:5) The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the Body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one Body: for we are all partakers of that one Bread. (1 Cor 10:16,17) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one Body, being many, are one Body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the Body is not one member, but many. (1 Cor 12:12-14) But now hath God set the members every one of them in the Body, as it hath pleased him. But now are they many members, yet but one Body. (1 Cor 12:18,

THE CHURCH IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST (which becomes the Lamb's Wife)
He that hath the Bride is the Bridegroom: but the friend of the Bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. (John 3:29) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his Wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Rev 19:7,8) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the Bride, the Lamb's Wife. (Rev 21;9) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the Church: and he is the Saviour of the Body... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself for it... That he might present it to himself a glorious Church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. For we are members of his Body, of his flesh, and of his bones... This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the Church. (Eph 5:23,25,27,30,32) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. (2 Cor 11:2)

I am asking for scriptures which is what any of us should do with regard to doctrine.

The Church is the Body and Christ is the Head.

The title `Lamb` is only used in reference to Israel and their sacrifice. We use the words `as a lamb` but never the `Lamb.`

Rev. 19 refers to the `righteous acts of the saints,` for the just/righteous saints of Heb. 11. Whereas for us we ARE RIGHTEOUS in Christ.

Eph. 5: 23 - 32 is an exhortation for husbands to love their wives as Christ does His own body, `For we are members of HIS BODY, of His flesh and of His bones.` (. v30)

2. Cor. 11:2 Paul is referring to HIS DISCIPLES. He wants to present them to the Lord, pure. However Paul DOESNOT present us to the Lord, for the Lord Himself present us to Himself. (Jude 14)

 

[Marilyn]

In fact, the first miracle was at a wedding.
IOW, IN the kingdom, last and first are interchangeable.

First is last and last is first.
Jesus first miracle = wedding= bride.

The last is exactly the same

There is NO marrying in heaven. (Luke 20: 35)

 

[Marilyn]

I am asking for scriptures which is what any of us should do with regard to doctrine.

The Church is the Body and Christ is the Head.

The title `Lamb` is only used in reference to Israel and their sacrifice. We use the words `as a lamb` but never the `Lamb.`

Rev. 19 refers to the `righteous acts of the saints,` of Israel. Whereas for us we ARE RIGHTEOUS in Christ.

Eph. 5: 23 - 32 is an exhortation for husbands to love their wives as Christ does His own body, `For we are members of HIS BODY, of His flesh and of His bones.` (. v30)

2. Cor. 11:2 Paul is referring to HIS DISCIPLES. He wants to present them to the Lord, pure. However Paul DOESNOT present us to the Lord, for the Lord Himself present us to Himself. (Jude 14)

Just a correction on my post there.

 

[peldom10]

The False Teaching of what happens at the Rapture.

I believe people have been taught through preaching, books, videos etc a wrong view of what happens at the Rapture.

This false teaching says that when people are caught away to meet the Lord others will see them rise in the air, and great devastation will happen. Planes will fall out of the sky as Christian pilots are taken away, plus cars and buses, trains etc will all crash because their drivers were believers and were caught away.

People are told that unbelievers will be shocked and horrified as they realise they have been `left behind.`

None of this is a true picture, I believe, of what will really happen at the rapture.

The Truth of what will happen at the Rapture.

God`s word says that we will see that Day, (of the Lord) approaching and thus get together more.

`...exhorting, (encouraging and warning) one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

I believe the Holy Spirit will be stirring our spirits expectantly so that we know the time is very close.

`To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear...` (Heb. 9: 28)

In the world people will think WW 3 is happening. The Russian Federation plus Iran, Ethiopia and Libya, (Ez. 38: 1 - 5) will be brought down by God to the mountains of Israel for judgment. The amassing of those troops will be very plain to see. Even now there is movement in those nations. People of the world will be looking at their phones, TV, etc in great fear of a nuclear World War.

The Lockdowns due to a supposed pandemic will keep people separate from others. Most will only be concerned with getting supplies, (which may be limited) and returning home.

Then when those who are eagerly waiting and looking for the Lord are taken, their bodies will be changed and there will be nothing left to indicate where they are. If some people do notice that so and so is not around there are many reasons for that - gone into a covid quarantine camp, visiting relatives, gone on holiday, etc etc.

Have you ever thought about this?

The Bible list conditions at the time of the presence of the rapture. While some are a revealing of details some are incomplete or lacking; ...every head will bow and every knee will bend......two will be working in the field ...one will be taken and one will be left, etc. The Bible suggest a short period before the rapture natural conditions will be unusual.
The natural weather conditions may be used to have all planes on the ground, or a terrorists warning may cause the temporary grounding ...as an example.
We must remember God can work in mysterious ways at times but, He is always righteous. He can and will handle it.

 

[Marilyn]

The Bible list conditions at the time of the presence of the rapture. While some are a revealing of details some are incomplete or lacking; ...every head will bow and every knee will bend......two will be working in the field ...one will be taken and one will be left, etc. The Bible suggest a short period before the rapture natural conditions will be unusual.
The natural weather conditions may be used to have all planes on the ground, or a terrorists warning may cause the temporary grounding ...as an example.
We must remember God can work in mysterious ways at times but, He is always righteous. He can and will handle it.

Those are not the rapture. Rev. 1: 7 the Lord coming and every eye will see Him, is referring to when He comes with His angel army to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious. `..they who pierced Him, (Israel)...& all the tribes of the earth will mourn.` (nations). The Body of Christ is a different group, and will be in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

`One taken and one left,` refers to the Lord judging those who looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

 

[peldom10]

Those are not the rapture. Rev. 1: 7 the Lord coming and every eye will see Him, is referring to when He comes with His angel army to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious. `..they who pierced Him, (Israel)...& all the tribes of the earth will mourn.` (nations). The Body of Christ is a different group, and will be in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

`One taken and one left,` refers to the Lord judging those who looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

I conclude your and my bibles are different.
Mine is KJV 1611 edition.

 

[CS1]

So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ.

And are you saying that Paul lied when He said that he was given this revelation of the Body of Christ which had NOT been revealed before?

And yes all books build on each other as to the revelation of Christ`s character and His purposes.

Peter did on the day of Pentacost, Philp did too.

 

[Marilyn]

I conclude your and my bibles are different.
Mine is KJV 1611 edition.

Mine the New King James. Does that matter?

 

[Marilyn]

Peter did on the day of Pentacost, Philp did too.

And the quotes please from scripture regarding those.

 

[CS1]

And the quotes please from scripture regarding those.

sure Acts chapter two:29-32 Pleae

Peter preaches the resurrected Lord .



29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,

31 he, (Peter)foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.


Acts3:13-15


13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

14 But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.

 

[Marilyn]

sure Acts chapter two:29-32 Pleae

Peter preaches the resurrected Lord .



29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,

31 he, (Peter)foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.


Acts3:13-15


13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

14 But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.

Yes that is what they were to do, `witness` of the Lord. However they NEVER SPOKE OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.

 

[CS1]

Yes that is what they were to do, `witness` of the Lord. However they NEVER SPOKE OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Yes they did, I provided the very verses in the text.


31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh(body) see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.

the NLT says :

31 David was looking into the future and speaking of the Messiah’s resurrection. He was saying that God would not leave him among the dead or allow his body to rot in the grave.

 

[CS1]

Yes that is what they were to do, `witness` of the Lord. However they NEVER SPOKE OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.

and in chapter 4:2 of Acts

2 being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

 

[DavidTree]

Nothing there that says the Body, the New Man, (Eph. 2: 15) becomes a `woman.`

As you so rightly quoted about `no male or female,` in the Body of Christ. The New Man is a combination of both, no human sexual apparatus as there is NO marrying in heaven. (Luke 20: 35)

Being married to Christ is not about a flesh union and you are correct that there is no human sexual reproduction in heaven.

Being married to Christ is 'like' the union between a man and a woman but in SPIRIT and ETERNAL UNION.

It is written: "What God has joined together let no man separate."

 

[DavidTree]

Yes for Israel.

The Israel of God according to Election of GRACE and of the SPIRIT, not according to the flesh.

It is written: "They are not all Israel who are of Israel but in Isaac shall your Seed be,
for the children of the flesh are NOT the Children of Promise."

 

[Diakonos]

There is NO scripture/s saying that the Body is the Bride. Can you show any?

Facts:

-““The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son.” (Matthew 22:2)

-“Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be
married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.” (Romans 7:4)

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-God (the Father) was already married to Israel before the Church was born (Isa 54:5)
-John the Baptist (the last prophet of Israel-Matt 11:13) admitted that he was not of the bride of Christ (the Son) (John 1:29)
-Paul betrothed and presented the Church as a pure virgin to Christ (2 Cor 11:2)
-Paul was speaking in reference to Christ and the Church in his marriage discourse (Eph 5:32)
-(in that marriage discourse) Christ sanctifies His Church so that He may present her to Himself, spotless and unwrinkled (Eph 5:26)
-At Christ's wedding, the bride will clothe herself with the garments that were given to her (Rev 19:7-8)

“Christ nourishes and cherishes the church because we are members of His body. 'For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'. This mystery is great; and I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.” (Ephesians 5:29–32)​

Conclusions:

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-Israel is the wife of God (the Father)
-The Church is (soon to be) the wife of Christ (the Son)
-Israel is
(1) invited to the wedding (Matt 22:3; Rev 19:9)
(2) the friends and attendants of the Bridegroom (John 1:29; Matt 9:15)

 

[Absolutely]

Yes for Israel.

Ruth was gentile

 

[Absolutely]

There is NO marrying in heaven. (Luke 20: 35)

Rev 19
The bride becomes the wife.

IN HEAVEN

 

[Absolutely]

and in chapter 4:2 of Acts

2 being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

Not sure, but i think she is specifically referring to the church or assembly when she says " the body of christ"

Also pretty sure she is pauline only.
I debate those paulines.
I have NEVER met one of them that did not have the need to put down every bible writing that is other than pauls.
They have a great need and quest to diminish all other books of the bible.
Her need to just assume peter never mentioned the church has some dark element behind it.
She actually needs that dynamic in her doctrine for some strange reason.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes that is what they were to do, `witness` of the Lord. However they NEVER SPOKE OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.

since you ASSUME that with no proof, it remains a fact of your doctrine?

And what point does that make?

Does that set Paul aside in your mind as even MORE ICONIC?

I mean there has to be a point to your endless assumptions.

The only sense i can make of it is a pauline hyper showcasing agenda.

" Peter never said "church"."
Ok what did Paul never say???
Jesus never say????


Pssssst...you can NOT "prove" any of it.
It is 100% conjecture