I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Ask Me.

[Heaven_Bound]

Hmm. Yeah, that's a difficult one. If it's about feeding and watering animals, maybe you can do some research on that. Maybe talk to Sabbath keeping individual that has livestock as well.

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 2&version=KJV

God kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, and Jesus said, "The sabbath was made for man".

Here is a link regarding feeding animals on the sabbath.

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...does-Shabbat-observance-affect-pet-owners.htm

As a person whose lineage includes the Sephardim Jew, we understand the Law is only a reminder of what Christ Saved us from. But as a Gentile, there are no direct commandments for us to follow the Law or observe the Law. Even the 10 Commandments were shortened to Two by Christ, Who is God.

Even James addressed the Jews, not the Gentiles. The only Commandments given to the Gentiles dealt with Sexual Immorality.

I just do not see anywhere it is written for us Gentiles to follow Rules that only applied to the Ancient Jew and ended with the Destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Sabbath keeping isn't in God's word, it comes from Ellen G. White:

"The Sabbath will be the great test of loyalty; for it is the point of truth especially controverted [debated]. When the final test shall be brought to bear upon men, then the line of distinction will be drawn between those who serve God and those who serve him not. While the observance of the false sabbath in compliance with the law of the State, contrary to the fourth commandment, will be an avowal of allegiance to a power that is in opposition to God, the keeping of the true Sabbath, in obedience to God's law, is an evidence of loyalty to the Creator. While one class, by accepting the sign of submission to earthly powers, receive the mark of the beast, the other, choosing the token of allegiance to divine authority, receive the seal of God."—Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, pg. 605.​

And:

"The Sabbath is the sign of God; it is the seal of his law. Isa. 8:16. It is the token of his authority and power. It is a sign whereby we may know that he is God, and therefore it is appropriately said to be placed in the forehead. The worshipers of the beast (Revelation 13) are said to receive his mark in their foreheads or in their hands. As the forehead represents the intellect, the hand represents power, as Ps. 89 :48, 'Shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?' Compulsory worship is not acceptable to God; his servants are sealed only in their foreheads. But it is acceptable to wicked powers; it has always been craved by the Romish hierarchy. See chapter 25 for proof on the nature of this mark. The sign or seal of God is his Sabbath, and the seal or mark of the beast is in direct opposition to it; it is a counterfeit sabbath on the "day of the sun."—Ibid., pg. 691.​

We can clearly see that for White (and SDAs) Sabbath keeping is the ultimate test of loyalty to God. Those who don't keep the Sabbath give their allegiance to the beast.

Something is very ironic about this. White says "Compulsory worship is not acceptable to God." However, that's exactly what she's advocating by making Saturday compulsory!

SDAs set up an either/or situation: Either you keep the Saturday Sabbath or you're submitting to Catholic compulsory Sunday worship. But if you're not Catholic there's nothing keeping you from worshipping on any day or days you choose; no compulsion involved.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Does that verse indicate in any shape or form that, "the Lord's Day" is Sunday?

Very definitely. The fact that John was "in the Spirit" on that day -- which was given a very special designation -- confirms that the Lord's Day was the first day of the week, and he was worshipping on that day. It has been regarded as the "Christian sabbath" for ages. But it was Israel which was given the 7th day sabbath, and even there they failed to observe it properly. Therefore the Lord of the Sabbath had to correct them.

The critical aspect of the Sabbath is not necessarily which day of the week it is but what it is dedicated to. The Christian Sabbath is dedicate to (a) worship, (b) fellowship, and (c) good works (which include the preaching of the Gospel, and many other good works). The Jewish religious leaders hated the fact that Christ healed on Sabbath days. But He deliberately chose to do good works to prove that their concept and God's concept were miles apart.

Note: "Sunday" is the secular name for the first day of the week, and all days of the week were dedicated to pagan gods. But since those names are now commonplace, there is nothing to be done about it. But Christians do not have to say "Sunday". they can and should call it "the Lord's day" which is dedicated to "the Lord's Supper" and "the table of the Lord".

 

[Nehemiah6]

Sabbath keeping isn't in God's word, it comes from Ellen G. White:

Well, it is in the Bible and unsaved Jews observe the 7th day Sabbath. But the early Christians observed the Lord's Day on the 8th day. Justin Martyr (2nd century) describes this in detail, and it would have been in practice since the time of the apostles. It is significant that Paul waited for a whole week to make sure he met with Christians in Troas on the first day of the week for the breaking of bread or the Lord's Supper (Acts 20).

 

[ResidentAlien]

Well, it is in the Bible and unsaved Jews observe the 7th day Sabbath. But the early Christians observed the Lord's Day on the 8th day. Justin Martyr (2nd century) describes this in detail, and it would have been in practice since the time of the apostles. It is significant that Paul waited for a whole week to make sure he met with Christians in Troas on the first day of the week for the breaking of bread or the Lord's Supper (Acts 20).

I see I should have been more clear. It's not in the New Testament as a command that Christians have to obey.

 

[kinda]

Very definitely. The fact that John was "in the Spirit" on that day -- which was given a very special designation -- confirms that the Lord's Day was the first day of the week (How so exactly? Please define "how in the spirit" designates 1st day of the week), and he was worshipping on that day. It has been regarded as the "Christian sabbath" for ages (Doesn't mean it's true, not unless you believe in Catholic doctrine. Traditions don't make things right or true. The first followers of Christ were Jews, not to mention Jesus our LORD, was Jewish Himself.). But it was Israel which was given the 7th day sabbath, and even there they failed to observe it properly. Therefore the Lord of the Sabbath had to correct them. (Catholics changed the sabbath day to Sunday, so Protestants and Catholics are acknowledging the Vatican's authority of changing the law, if they keep Sunday laws.)

The critical aspect of the Sabbath is not necessarily which day of the week (False, 100% false. The Lord declared it's the seventh day, so it should be critical) it is but what it is dedicated to (Jesus said, the sabbath was made for man). The Christian Sabbath is dedicate to (a) worship, (b) fellowship, and (c) good works (which include the preaching of the Gospel, and many other good works) (The Christian and the Jewish sabbath is the seventh day, not unless you follow Catholic tradition). The Jewish religious leaders hated the fact that Christ healed on Sabbath days. But He deliberately chose to do good works to prove that their concept and God's concept were miles apart.

Note: "Sunday" is the secular name for the first day of the week, and all days of the week were dedicated to pagan gods. But since those names are now commonplace, there is nothing to be done about it. But Christians do not have to say "Sunday". they can and should call it "the Lord's day" (You have yet to prove Sunday is the Lord's day, except by tradition, which isn't proof, not unless your Catholic) which is dedicated to "the Lord's Supper" (Rightfully called Passover Seder) and "the table of the Lord".

All green texts was comments, not a quote by Nehe.

Here is the actual verse....

10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 1:10&version=NIV

Yeah, no mention of Sunday or the first day of the week in that verse. Just because it was a tradition, doesn't mean it's true when referring to Catholic doctrines. The calendar we use in Western Civilization is a Catholic calendar, with the names of the days, named after pagan gods. The months of Gregorian Calendar are named after Roman gods, Roman traditions, and Roman numbers.

"The Gregorian calendar is the calendar used in most of the world.[1][a] It was introduced in October 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a modification of the Julian calendar, reducing the average year from 365.25 days to 365.2425 days, and adjusting for the drift in the 'tropical' or 'solar' year that the inaccuracy had caused during the intervening centuries."

Actually, the critical aspect is God declared the sabbath a Holy day and to remember the sabbath, since it was a memorial of the Creation story. The sabbath day is the seventh day and will always be that day for eternity, or until heaven and earth pass away.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 20&version=NIV


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week

https://www.almanac.com/content/how-did-months-get-their-names

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

To be honest, I can't believe the ignorance of some of the posts in here, but if you want to follow Catholic traditions, that's your choice. I have a fairly good understanding what it means to be Protestant and why it's important to not follow the Roman Catholic Church. To get back on the subject matter, the Seventh Day Adventist Church does a fairly good job in up holding what it means to Protestant, and Christians shouldn't look down upon people who keep the law, that is according to the Bible.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

All green texts was comments, not a quote by Nehe.

Here is the actual verse....

10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 1:10&version=NIV

Yeah, no mention of Sunday or the first day of the week in that verse. Just because it was a tradition, doesn't mean it's true when referring to Catholic doctrines. The calendar we use in Western Civilization is a Catholic calendar, with the names of the days, named after pagan gods. The months of Gregorian Calendar are named after Roman gods, Roman traditions, and Roman numbers.

"The Gregorian calendar is the calendar used in most of the world.[1][a] It was introduced in October 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a modification of the Julian calendar, reducing the average year from 365.25 days to 365.2425 days, and adjusting for the drift in the 'tropical' or 'solar' year that the inaccuracy had caused during the intervening centuries."

Actually, the critical aspect is God declared the sabbath a Holy day and to remember the sabbath, since it was a memorial of the Creation story. The sabbath day is the seventh day and will always be that day for eternity, or until heaven and earth pass away.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 20&version=NIV


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week

https://www.almanac.com/content/how-did-months-get-their-names

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

To be honest, I can't believe the ignorance of some of the posts in here, but if you want to follow Catholic traditions, that's your choice. I have a fairly good understanding what it means to be Protestant and why it's important to not follow the Roman Catholic Church. To get back on the subject matter, the Seventh Day Adventist Church does a fairly good job in up holding what it means to Protestant, and Christians shouldn't look down upon people who keep the law, that is according to the Bible.

In Rev. 1:10, the apostle John, used Kyriake hemera (Κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day") in a way apparently familiar to his readers. Early Christians understood this meant he was worshiping on Sunday, resurrection day.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Resurrection Day, is far more important than a Day of Rest!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yeah, no mention of Sunday or the first day of the week in that verse.

That's where you need spiritual discernment my friend. The Bible is not a theology text-book. Matthew Henry (and others) had spiritual discernment. So let's quote him for example:

"3. The day and time in which he had this vision: it was the Lord’s day, the day which Christ had separated and set apart for himself, as the eucharist is called the Lord’s supper. Surely this can be no other than the Christian sabbath, the first day of the week, to be observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him our Lord honour him on his own day, the day which the Lord hath made and in which we ought to rejoice. 4. The frame that his soul was in at this time: He was in the Spirit. He was not only in a rapture when he received the vision, but before he received it; he was in a serious, heavenly, spiritual frame, under the blessed gracious influences of the Spirit of God. God usually prepares the souls of his people for uncommon manifestations of himself, by the quickening sanctifying influences of his good Spirit. Those who would enjoy communion with God on the Lord’s day must endeavour to abstract their thoughts and affections from flesh and fleshly things, and be wholly taken up with things of a spiritual nature."

Let's take John Gill as another example:
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,.... Not on the Jewish sabbath, which was now abolished, nor was that ever called the Lord's day, and had John meant that, he would have said on the sabbath day; much less the Jewish passover, but the first day of the week is designed; so the Ethiopic version renders it "on the first day"; and is so called just as the ordinance of the supper is called the Lord's supper, being instituted by the Lord, and the Lord's table, 1 Corinthians 10:21, and that because it was the day in which our Lord rose from the dead, Mark 16:9; and in which he appeared at different times to his disciples, John 20:19, and which the primitive churches set apart for his worship and service, and on which they met together to hear the word, and attend on ordinances, Acts 20:7; and Justin Martyr (z) tells us, who lived within about fifty years after this time, that on the day called , "Sunday", (by the Greeks,) the Christians met together in one place, and read the Scriptures, and prayed together, and administered the ordinance of the supper; and this, he adds, was the first day in which God created the World, and our Saviour Jesus Christ rose from the dead; yea, Barnabas (a), the companion of the Apostle Paul, calls this day the eighth day, in distinction from the seventh day sabbath of the Jews, and which he says is the beginning of another world; and therefore we keep the eighth day, adds he, joyfully, in which Jesus rose from the dead, and being manifested, ascended unto heaven: and this day was known by the ancients by the name of "the Lord's day"; as by Ignatius (b), Irenaeus (c), Tertullian (d), Origen (e), and others; for it must be some day that was known by this name, otherwise it is mentioned to no purpose, because it would not be distinctive from others; for which reason it cannot merely design the day in which John saw this vision, because the Lord appeared on it to him, for this would not distinguish it from any other day. Some have conjectured that this was not the weekly Lord's day observed by the Christians, but the anniversary of Christ's resurrection; and so the Ethiopians still call Easter "Schambatah Crostos", the sabbath of Christ: to understand it of the former is best. Now, though John was driven from the house and worship of God, and could not join with the saints in the public worship of that day; yet he was employed in spiritual contemplations and exercises, and was under a more than ordinary influence of the Spirit of God; and his spirit or soul was wholly intent upon, and taken up with divine and spiritual things, with visions and representations that were made unto his mind, which he perceived in his spirit, and not with the organs of his body; he was in an ecstasy of spirit, and knew not scarcely whether he was in the body or out of it:"

 

[kinda]

In Rev. 1:10, the apostle John, used Kyriake hemera (Κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day") in a way apparently familiar to his readers. Early Christians understood this meant he was worshiping on Sunday, resurrection day.

Early Christians were Jewish and went to Temple. Catholicism has infiltrated many of the Christian Churches, since the freedom of religion didn't exist for a thousand years in the Roman world, while the Vatican was in charge. Napoleon helped end the Vatican's rule, but the Catholic Church has regained much of it's power and influence in the last 100 years or so.

That's where you need spiritual discernment my friend. The Bible is not a theology text-book. "

If you don't think the Bible is a theology text-book, than I don't want your spiritual discernment.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Early Christians were Jewish and went to Temple. Catholicism has infiltrated many of the Christian Churches, since the freedom of religion didn't exist for a thousand years in the Roman world, while the Vatican was in charge. Napoleon helped end the Vatican's rule, but the Catholic Church has regained much of it's power and influence in the last 100 years or so.



If you don't think the Bible is a theology text-book, than I don't want your spiritual discernment.

Christ was Crucified on Friday and Resurrected on Sunday. There is no interference going on, just you denying the truth.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Catholicism has infiltrated many of the Christian Churches, since the freedom of religion didn't exist for a thousand years in the Roman world, while the Vatican was in charge. Napoleon helped end the Vatican's rule, but the Catholic Church has regained much of it's power and influence in the last 100 years or so.

I'm not Catholic so their rules don't concern me. I worship on whatever day I want; that's the freedom we have in Christ. I'm not constrained by Saturday or Sunday.

 

[Evmur]

James says faith without works is dead faith, and those who think themselves spiritually alive but refuse to keep the law are actually deader'n a witness about to testify against the Clintons.

the law is for sinners

 

[ResidentAlien]

SDAs believe they're developing a closer relationship with the Father by keeping the Sabbath. In doing this they're essentially trying to get closer to Him by keeping the 10 Commandments. What they apparently fail to realize is if they keep the Sabbath they're obligating themselves to keep all the 10 Commandments, which we all know is impossible. So are they getting closer to Him, or really getting further away?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

SDAs believe they're developing a closer relationship with the Father by keeping the Sabbath. In doing this they're essentially trying to get closer to Him by keeping the 10 Commandments. What they apparently fail to realize is if they keep the Sabbath they're obligating themselves to keep all the 10 Commandments, which we all know is impossible. So are they getting closer to Him, or really getting further away?

They should read about the plan to build a tower that reached God in the Babel Story.
You cannot earn anything with God.
How can you earn something that is Free to Have?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Colossians 2:16: "Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths."

The Sabbath is the Last Day of the Week, but look when the Apostles met with Christians, or the church, they met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Rev. 1:10) which is SUNDAY.

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Paul Preached on the First Day of the Week, which is Sunday, or Resurrection of Christ Day.

 

[Phoneman-777]

the law is for sinners

"The law is for sinners" aka "the law is for lawbreakers".

So, the saved, once saved, have no law? Great! So, Satan worshipers and mass murderers can get into heaven as long as they pray the "sinner's prayer"? Got it.

 

[Evmur]

"The law is for sinners" aka "the law is for lawbreakers".

So, the saved, once saved, have no law? Great! So, Satan worshipers and mass murderers can get into heaven as long as they pray the "sinner's prayer"? Got it.

Do you believe the gospel? yes or no? did Jesus bare YOUR sins in His own body on the tree? that YOU being dead to sin might live unto righteousness?

If these things be true how can the law have any application to you?

Didn't you understand that Jesus who was no sinner died for YOU who is the great sinner ... Death is what the law decrees to the sinner, Jesus died [in your place] the law can have no further jurisdiction over you ... if these things have indeed happened to you, you are FREE.

WHY why would anybody wish to go back to that which condemned them and [by faith] killed them.

If you go back to the sin life, having once been saved from it then so far as the flesh is concerned you put yourself in jeopardy of the law. You may even die physically but your soul will be saved.

 

[EarlDumarest]

Gottime - since you believe Christ died (and he truthfully did)- did your God die?

 

[Grandpa]

Gottime - since you believe Christ died (and he truthfully did)- did your God die?

gotime hasn't been around for awhile.

He was a pretty nice guy. I haven't seen Laodicea in a while either. He was pretty nice too.

I argued with them about SDA false philosophies. But they were nice about it.