Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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Jackson123 said:
We have to remember
The tribulation is the wrath of the devil, where if we to take the mark, we can't buy or sale, devil, not God create persecution.

The flood is the wrath of God, God the one that make flood
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The 4 horsemen are unleashing untold destruction.
They kick off the gt.

They are sent by heaven.
 
Jackson123 said:
We have to remember
The tribulation is the wrath of the devil, where if we to take the mark, we can't buy or sale, devil, not God create persecution.

The flood is the wrath of God, God the one that make flood
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You omit "....before the flood they had normal life."

In your scenario the world is a war zone...no normal life.

So mid trib rapture does not fit st all.
 
Heaven_Bound said:
That's funny, because Christ begins with the Temple Destruction and end of Daily Sacrifice, then He speaks of Warnings and then about conditions of similarities that relates to how it was for Noah compared to how it will be for the Tribulation. And yet, you have ignored everything for Your sole Purpose. If that ain't ungodly, nothing is.
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YES
Good point
Normal life before the flood.

Remember, in your doctrine it is the opposite. You need noah in severe tribulation and no normal life at all BEFORE THE FLOOD.

You are reaching radically.
 
Absolutely said:
YES
Good point
Normal life before the flood.

Remember, in your doctrine it is the opposite. You need noah in severe tribulation and no normal life at all BEFORE THE FLOOD.

You are reaching radically.
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We have Christ, Noah needed the Ark, we already have what Noah needed and that Gift lives inside of us.

You really are lost and you think we need things when what we have was much better than what Noah ever had.
 
ewq1938 said:
God shortened the length to ensure some Christians will survive so it is now 42 months.
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The Bible says...things on earth are so bad that God had to stop the trib. ...shorten it.... period or no one would survive.
Where is the 42 month thing that I may have missed?
 
Absolutely said:
Rev 19.
The bride becomes the wife IN HEAVEN.
You have the bride in earth.
Acts 1
"...this same Jesus shall return in like manner"



You need all that changed.

No rapture at the white horses
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"All rapture verses are peacetime and normal life."

Yes. Never in Scripture is there the slightest hint that the Church goes through the tribulation. On the contrary.......the text explicitly indicates we will NOT go through wrath, which in this case must be the wrath of the tribulation.

Which of course is the point of 2 Thessalonians 2. After all Paul was perfectly well acquainted with the 70th week of Daniel, Old Testament prophecies.......AND the newly revealed mystery of the Church and the rapture.

If Paul meant to say that the Church would go thru the tribulation he would have stated it in no uncertain terms. However Paul states that we will NOT. Unequivocally. Indubitably.
 
Jackson123 said:
We have to remember
, where if we to take the mark, we can't buy or sale, devil, not God create persecution.

The flood is the wrath of God, God the one that make flood
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"The tribulation is the wrath of the devil"

Ignorance like that is the hallmark of the post-tribulationist. We pre-tribbers can see your profound errors a mile away buddy.
 
cv5 said:
"All rapture verses are peacetime and normal life."

Yes. Never in Scripture is there the slightest hint that the Church goes through the tribulation. On the contrary.......the text explicitly indicates we will NOT go through wrath, which in this case must be the wrath of the tribulation.

Which of course is the point of 2 Thessalonians 2. After all Paul was perfectly well acquainted with the 70th week of Daniel, Old Testament prophecies.......AND the newly revealed mystery of the Church and the rapture.

If Paul meant to say that the Church would go thru the tribulation he would have stated it in no uncertain terms. However Paul states that we will NOT. Unequivocally. Indubitably.
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And yet, the Core first Church was destroyed and the Apostles were brutally murdered.
Can you speak in half circles but this time add some truth?


I suppose you will claim the Apostles and the Body of followers in 70 A.D. were not a part of the Body now...and let me get my laughter out of the way before you make such a claim :ROFL::ROFL:
 
Heaven_Bound said:
And yet, the Core first Church was destroyed and the Apostles were brutally murdered.
Can you speak in half circles but this time add some truth?


I suppose you will claim the Apostles and the Body of followers in 70 A.D. were not a part of the Body now...and let me get my laughter out of the way before you make such a claim :ROFL::ROFL:
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Suffering from being baffled about the rapture is somebody else's problem not mine buddy. Sounds like you're suffering a lot of other heretical views as well. Tragic.
 
cv5 said:
Suffering from being baffled about the rapture is somebody else's problem not mine buddy. Sounds like you're suffering a lot of other heretical views as well. Tragic.
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What I am suffering from are the plenty of Examples of suffering we see from the Apostles, the first Church go through, and then the continuing Church Body go through, and to then think and wonder how could we have such blatant and obvious suffering examples of the Church Body, and then conclude the modern day Church body will be exempt.
 
peldom10 said:
Nothing happens without the allowance by God. You seem to suggest Satan can do as He wishes on His own....?
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US withdraw his troop from Afghanistan, taliban took over and make it as Muslim country, is that mean us make mafganitan Muslim country?
 
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