Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Declared to God given Faith ! 4
Now God given Faith, given in the New Birth, for Faith that Pleases God is not found in the natural man, to it is revealed their declared Justification by the Gospel sent to them Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God[Our Justification] revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The word Righteousness and the Word Just are basically the same word in the original both derived from the word dikaios:
righteous, observing divine laws
a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined
2) innocent, faultless, guiltless
3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life
a) only Christ truly
4) approved of or acceptable of God
b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them
The Knowledge of their Righteousness / Justification before God is revealed to them by the Gospel, and that this was an Matter of fact outside of themselves, and hence they now believe the Truth of it which is the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13. The Gospel in the matter of Salvation is not sent to people to put them in a position to perform a duty or an act to get saved, but its to reveal or make known the Good News of what Christ has accomplished and Established on ones behalf; Because Christ was delivered up unto Death and Divine Justice in their stead and for their transgressions, and when the Law released Him, it was a notification of their discharge; and the Spirit enlightens all those Christ died for of their Justification by Christ's Righteousness charged to them, and so it comes to past that the Just shall live by Faith. The Spirit takes of Christ's [ What He accomplished via His Death / Blood for them]and shows it to them or reveals it to them in or by the Gospel; and it is then God given Faith receives, embraces, appropriates this REVELATION as their Justification and Righteousness before God, and now before their own purged conscience. Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Now God given Faith, given in the New Birth, for Faith that Pleases God is not found in the natural man, to it is revealed their declared Justification by the Gospel sent to them Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God[Our Justification] revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The word Righteousness and the Word Just are basically the same word in the original both derived from the word dikaios:
righteous, observing divine laws
a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined
2) innocent, faultless, guiltless
3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life
a) only Christ truly
4) approved of or acceptable of God
b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them
The Knowledge of their Righteousness / Justification before God is revealed to them by the Gospel, and that this was an Matter of fact outside of themselves, and hence they now believe the Truth of it which is the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13. The Gospel in the matter of Salvation is not sent to people to put them in a position to perform a duty or an act to get saved, but its to reveal or make known the Good News of what Christ has accomplished and Established on ones behalf; Because Christ was delivered up unto Death and Divine Justice in their stead and for their transgressions, and when the Law released Him, it was a notification of their discharge; and the Spirit enlightens all those Christ died for of their Justification by Christ's Righteousness charged to them, and so it comes to past that the Just shall live by Faith. The Spirit takes of Christ's [ What He accomplished via His Death / Blood for them]and shows it to them or reveals it to them in or by the Gospel; and it is then God given Faith receives, embraces, appropriates this REVELATION as their Justification and Righteousness before God, and now before their own purged conscience. Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Reminds me of the esoteric cults where you need to achieve the level of understanding of one of the chosen rather than coming to God and becoming as a little child . Guess what? 52 "God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe”. God chose election to save them that believe ? Oh of course in your view that is the only way He could receive Glory. So He laid aside His Glory became a man suffered , was crucified , died innocent. So that He could obtain you over countless others who he never gave a chance because He would never do everything for them . So that He could only get Glory from you. I mean hey, who are you to resist God you can’t be unsaved if you tried. I’d love to go deeper into the heady and high minded texts that you gravitate toward but once ensnared your way is now His Way and I’m afraid part of your deception is your insistance that you have some kind of high ground based on your comprehensive and more thorough knowledge of scripture. Friend, Give your mind to Jesus . Give him your hands your feet your life. Seek Him who made the seven stars of Orion. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Maybe he’ll use you someday to reach your Calvinist friends. He sure ain’t using me either.
Does Peter talk about being born-again by the Word of God?
Does Paul say faith comes by hearing the Word of God?
Does it say you have received the Spirit of Adoption whereby we cry , Abba Father. ?
You speak of the Gospel as if it wasn’t the power of God to Salvation.
Paul prayed that you would understand the power behind the message Ephesians 1:13-23 This is the power of God unto Salvation
And this is the gospel……1 Corinthians 15:1-4
52 Why don’t you drop your text-heavy Reformist theology and go to the Scriptures . You will find His Yoke easy and His burden light. Stop dumping a phone book on people Christ is drawing .
Go one Scripture at a time if you can do it . You have had your faith totally corrupted by the 5 Points of Calvinism. Seriously dude . You can believe whatever you want but at least deal with the scriptures one at a time . I never did hear back from you when I gave a multiple-choice quiz. What saith the scripture ?
Does Paul say faith comes by hearing the Word of God?
Does it say you have received the Spirit of Adoption whereby we cry , Abba Father. ?
You speak of the Gospel as if it wasn’t the power of God to Salvation.
Paul prayed that you would understand the power behind the message Ephesians 1:13-23 This is the power of God unto Salvation
And this is the gospel……1 Corinthians 15:1-4
52 Why don’t you drop your text-heavy Reformist theology and go to the Scriptures . You will find His Yoke easy and His burden light. Stop dumping a phone book on people Christ is drawing .
Go one Scripture at a time if you can do it . You have had your faith totally corrupted by the 5 Points of Calvinism. Seriously dude . You can believe whatever you want but at least deal with the scriptures one at a time . I never did hear back from you when I gave a multiple-choice quiz. What saith the scripture ?
I totally agree . Like you I care about what he is exposing people to who sincerely want to know what this Christian life is all about . I think the topic of the blog he created should send up a few red flags . I mean who talks like this that knows the Lord ? The Atonement what did it really accomplish ? The Bible says , He that heareth us not . It is up to the site overseers what they allow into this blog environment. I am confrontational no doubt but I agree 67 it’s time to move on. Other agenda ? Probably a good call. Thought it myself maybe just some 52 practicing his copy and paste from His favorite Calvinist sites. Maybe he isn’t even a Christian? And just having fun with us Old Jesus Freaks Never talks never refers to scripture, Just rambles about How limited we are because we don’t use the Calvins template to interpret scripture. Doesn’t have any consideration for the word , to give milk to new ones. Just a full rack of ribs knaw on this copy and paste and copy and paste , etc. Sure sounds like an unbeliever to me . Sad life to attempt to proselytize people that know the Bible . Oh help , save me lol …God bless yea I’ll back off . May I don’t know , I am getting joyful but it is really sad at the same time lol
Justified from all things !
Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The Nature of the Justification that Christ gives to all for whom He died, all the Elect of God or His Body the Church, its Justification from all things which means:
They are Justified from their Transgression in Adam their Natural Head Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
They are Justified from all actual Transgressions they begin to commit from the womb, before conversion and also after conversion.
They are Justified from all their present impurities in the flesh, Yes they are Justified in the court of God's Justice and Righteousness against anything anyone can bring against them even as a legitimate charge !
Illustrated by Joshua the High Priest who had on filthy garments ! Zech 3:1-4
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
All for whom Christ died, the Israel of God, He has taken away their Iniquities from before the Justice of God ! 109
Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The Nature of the Justification that Christ gives to all for whom He died, all the Elect of God or His Body the Church, its Justification from all things which means:
They are Justified from their Transgression in Adam their Natural Head Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
They are Justified from all actual Transgressions they begin to commit from the womb, before conversion and also after conversion.
They are Justified from all their present impurities in the flesh, Yes they are Justified in the court of God's Justice and Righteousness against anything anyone can bring against them even as a legitimate charge !
Illustrated by Joshua the High Priest who had on filthy garments ! Zech 3:1-4
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
All for whom Christ died, the Israel of God, He has taken away their Iniquities from before the Justice of God ! 109
What About Heb 1:3
All for whom Christ died, are by His Death/Blood Alone, Justified before God from all sin, this can be concluded also by Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
What sins ? These sins that were charged to Him 1 Cor 15:3
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Now the sins of all for whom He died, He hath purged them away. That word purged means:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
Now actually, by Imputation, the Guilt of the sins of those Christ died for, is gone, done away with by the Offering of Christ.
All for whom He died therefore are Justified from all guilt of their sins !
It has been purged out of the sight of God and His Law, hence they are Justified, and none of these can ever die in their sins Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
This also means that those Christ has died for and purged away their guilt before God, will not always remain Unbelievers, for only those whom Christ did not die for shall continue in Unbelief and consequently die in their sins or will be found in them at His Coming !
This purging of their sins was done by Himself, not by anything they for whom He died for did or done !
All for whom Christ died, are by His Death/Blood Alone, Justified before God from all sin, this can be concluded also by Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
What sins ? These sins that were charged to Him 1 Cor 15:3
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Now the sins of all for whom He died, He hath purged them away. That word purged means:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
Now actually, by Imputation, the Guilt of the sins of those Christ died for, is gone, done away with by the Offering of Christ.
All for whom He died therefore are Justified from all guilt of their sins !
It has been purged out of the sight of God and His Law, hence they are Justified, and none of these can ever die in their sins Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
This also means that those Christ has died for and purged away their guilt before God, will not always remain Unbelievers, for only those whom Christ did not die for shall continue in Unbelief and consequently die in their sins or will be found in them at His Coming !
This purging of their sins was done by Himself, not by anything they for whom He died for did or done !
What you are not seeing is the framework of the interpretation you are using is based on Biblical truth. But skewed and does not fit a line upon line direct approach to God or the Bible. It is a man based idea( namely John Calvins ) of how to interpret the scriptures using his thesis of five points. Namely T.U.L.I.P. What is a curiosity is that the Calvinist once indoctrinated in this methodology of scripture interpretation loses rationale apparently to compare scripture with scripture with the Bible as a stand-alone apart from their supposed doctrinal template for “the faith once delivered to the saints”, namely there is always a re-cycle through this template . It all must fit for the Calvinist otherwise if it doesn’t the non-Calvinist is perceived to be in some way not rightly dividing the word of truth then the whole issue becomes an attempt to recover the lost sheep back to the tenets of John Calvin. Not suprisingly to compound the problem this creates for new believers saved by Grace through Faith they are introduced to a Jesus with this subset of having to believe these 5 points. And that requires a lot of text heavy theology with is nothing more than confusion of which God is not the author of. Meat to babies sort of thing. Further, they are introduced to a system of justifying Calvins theology which is argumentive by nature because large portions of the scriptures are imputed a different meaning and must be justified by recycling it through Calvins methodology . An example would be the last statement 52 . “ An example of making a straw man and burning it down. You said quote, “This purging of sins was done by Himself, not by anything they for whom He died for did or done!” Heck , I believe that when did it ever become an issue? When Calvin made it one ?
you forgot to include 1 Peter 2:6-7 when you plucked 1 Peter 2:24 from the context in order to prop up your dogma.
1 Peter 2:
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner
In verse 7, the word "disobedient" is translated from the Greek word apeitheó which means
Clearly, God does not withhold anything from those who are disobedient and those who are disobedient have every opportunity to believe. However, those who are disobedient withhold belief ... they refuse to believe. Romans 1:18 tells us they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That is why they are without excuse (Romans 1:20).
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
1 Peter 2:
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner
In verse 7, the word "disobedient" is translated from the Greek word apeitheó which means
not to allow oneself to be persuaded; not to comply with;
a. to refuse or withhold belief (in Christ, in the gospel; opposed to πιστεύω): τῷ υἱῷ, John 3:36; τῷ λόγῳ, 1 Peter 2:8; 1 Peter 3:1; absolutely of those who reject the gospel, [R. V. to be disobedient; cf. b.]: Acts 14:2; Acts 17:5 [Rec.]; Acts 19:9; Romans 15:31; 1 Peter 2:7 (T Tr WH ἀπιστοῦσιν).
Clearly, God does not withhold anything from those who are disobedient and those who are disobedient have every opportunity to believe. However, those who are disobedient withhold belief ... they refuse to believe. Romans 1:18 tells us they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That is why they are without excuse (Romans 1:20).
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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exactly. it becomes an issue because for whatever reason some consider "faith" is a "work". However, Romans 4 tells us that faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The one who "worketh not" is the one who "believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly" and his/her faith is "counted for righteousness"
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The one who "worketh not" is the one who "believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly" and his/her faith is "counted for righteousness"
All we are instructed to do is plant/water the truth of God's Word ... it is God Who brings increase to the heart ...
1 Corinthians 3:6-7 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
The issue is whether we plant/water the Truth of God's Word and not man's wisdom. God will not bring increase to doctrines of men.
1 Corinthians 3:6-7 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
The issue is whether we plant/water the Truth of God's Word and not man's wisdom. God will not bring increase to doctrines of men.
@riverhooks wrote:
I know what you meant. It is only God's Word that will break through all the error and rhetoric.
My point was that it is God's Word that works in the heart ... faith by hearing and hearing by word of God (Rom 10:17).
As God's Word is revealed, if the hearer suppresses the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), the one who suppresses the truth is without excuse.
We all will give an account ... the one who speaks the truth is only responsible for speaking truth ...
If the hearer who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness is a born again believer, he/she will suffer loss:but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire (1 Cor 3:15).
If the hearer who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness is not a born again believer, he/she will find him/herself cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15).
Well , I agree that He doesn’t do that. What I mean by making him a better Calvinist means that 52 clings to this methodology more tightly My gut is he won’t leave his library for the Bible. There is hope but it is a different Jesus and another gospel . Attempts at reconciliation to the Bible are not working , it is a strong delusion. He referrences scriptures but where they contradict his interpretation it’s back to his Calvinist overlay. He isn’t here to be honest or walk in the light in my view . I think where I am failing is by allowing him to be a sounding board for false doctrine . That appears to be only effect of either of our posts . Sorry your kids had to be exposed to this in College. I have seen it split churches quench revivals grieve the Spirit and bring a halt to evangelism.
I know what you meant. It is only God's Word that will break through all the error and rhetoric.
My point was that it is God's Word that works in the heart ... faith by hearing and hearing by word of God (Rom 10:17).
As God's Word is revealed, if the hearer suppresses the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), the one who suppresses the truth is without excuse.
We all will give an account ... the one who speaks the truth is only responsible for speaking truth ...
If the hearer who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness is a born again believer, he/she will suffer loss:but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire (1 Cor 3:15).
If the hearer who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness is not a born again believer, he/she will find him/herself cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15).
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