Will the world come to an end?

[DLM]

“So, if we are not living in the New Heaven and Earth today, then we are under the law, every bit of it.”

wow you think this is the new earth lol ? Why is it so wicked ? Y does everyone died righteous people get the shaft and suffer why do the wicked prosper so ?

if we were in the new earth this would be the situation.

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There’s sorrow . Sin , pain ,suffering , tears , death , injustice , every false belief and religion one could imagine nations starving nations at war nations worshipping devils and demons and rats and alligators nations worshipping death saints

cartels who dismember living people to terrorize communities terrorism cross the globe ect

of this is the new earth God promised then it isn’t the one he spoke about in the Bible this one seems more like this one we corrupted

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And this one that will pass away

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

brother when you see no suffering no sin no death and Jesus walking among us youll Know we’re home until then we’re strangers and pilgrims passing through strange land of wickedness and death where evil prospers and makes rich and righteousness often comes with persecutions and injustices

this isn’t the plan but it’s coming

Paul said we are already in the New Jerusalem

Ephesians 2:18-22 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

And in Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

All well and good...but am I your brother now or still no dice?

To say what you said, I don't see how it's possible. But don't worry about what I think. What I think is irrelevant.

Romans 2:29 NLT - "No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."

Show yourself that you have been Circumcised by Christ by turning your focus and attention to what the Lord "thinks" about this discussion. Again, what I think means nothing.

May the Lord grant you the most incredible of Blessings.

 

[soberxp]

Becoming angry is a method of control and manipulation. It is designed to shut others up. I've been guilty . . . I get it.

Pureness, you have yourself an amazing day!!!

Okay, here is not about right or wrong.
Yahshua judge you anyway, maybe that makes you not happy, so could you forgive him for he judges you ? and still call him brothers ?

In fact, this is our weakness, such as angry.

Please forgive him and say we are brothers.

 

[Pureness]

Paul said we are already in the New Jerusalem

Ephesians 2:18-22 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

And in Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

He said a new earth, not a perfect one

 

[Pureness]

To say what you said, I don't see how it's possible. But don't worry about what I think. What I think is irrelevant.

Romans 2:29 NLT - "No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."

Show yourself that you have been Circumcised by Christ by turning your focus and attention to what the Lord "thinks" about this discussion. Again, what I think means nothing.

May the Lord grant you the most incredible of Blessings.

What you think means everything dear. Maybe you just too insecure to see it. God bless hun I'll pray for you

 

[DLM]

He said a new earth, not a perfect one

The foundations of the New Jerusalem are the "twelve apostles of the Lamb" (Revelation 21:14). Paul, in Ephesians 2:18-22,uses identical language about citizenship in the "household of God" as having been "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets."

 

[Yahshua]

Killing still take place when were in the New Jerusalem. The gates are still open to this very day. And always will be.

Outside of the New Jerusalem where dogs and whore mongers which represented sinners. IF THE NEW JERUSALEM WAS HEAVEN THERE WOULD NOT BE SINNERS OUTSIDE THE PEARLY GATES. On the other hand, if the New Jerusalem represents Gods bride the church then yes, outside Gods church there would be dogs and whore mongers (sinners). (Revelation 22:15)

Many were taught this is Heaven but verse 2 tells us it's the New Jerusalem. We know this is not Heaven because It comes out of Heaven, therefore it cannot be Heaven, It's Spiritual. Look at verse 25 Why would Heaven need gates? The gates are always open because new Christians are added daily. Also Sin continues outside the gates of the New Jerusalem. Outside the gates are where the Non Christians are. They have not accepted Christ yet. Now if this were Heaven, there would be no sinners outside the gates. (Revelation 22:15)

It sounds like you believe this time we're in now is the New Jerusalem?

 

[DLM]

It sounds like you believe this time we're in now is the New Jerusalem?

New Jerusalem - Inhabiting both here on earth and in Heaven at the same time.

The bible teaches that Jesus made a "Coming" just like the Father did numerous times. (Mat 24:3) Those that see Him in the New Jerusalem find that God is inhabiting both here on earth and in Heaven at the same time.

The foundations of the New Jerusalem are the "twelve apostles of the Lamb" (Revelation 21:14). Paul, in Ephesians 2:18-22,uses identical language about citizenship in the "household of God" as having been "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets."

Revelation 21:4 Tells us the first things (old order of things/former things) have passed away. This is clearly speaking of the end of the old covenant. In Revelation 21:1-7 we see that The dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people. So, again, this is about the new covenant relationship with God's people, not a literal city or building. Nor is it about heaven, as some people think.

The church no longer needs a temple because Christ brings the presence of God to his people. Christ replaced the temple (Revelation 21:22). This is theologically significant because no longer could anyone claim that salvation was in the temple rituals. Salvation rests only in Christ.

The New Jerusalem is the bride (Revelation 21:2), which means the bride of Christ (Matthew 22:1-14; John 3:29; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:22-32; Revelation 19:7-8). The picture that is painted for us by John is that Israel was a harlot (Revelation 17:1, 5, 15; 19:2). Israel was the original bride of the LORD (Jeremiah 2:1). But, throughout the Bible, whenever Israel is unfaithful, she is characterized as a "harlot" and an "adulterer." See: Deuteronomy 31:16-18; Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 2:20; 3:6-9; Ezekiel 16:15, 26, 28; Hosea 9:1.For her marital unfaithfulness, she received divorce and punishment. Then we see the new bride-the church (The Kingdom), coming to take her place. Old Covenant Jerusalem is destroyed and replaced by the New Jerusalem of which first-century Christians were citizens.

In Revelation 21:5 we see that "To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment." Who receives this water of life? Is this only a future thing? Certainly not. The water of life is available to all who accept Jesus. Various texts demonstrate this truth. For example, in a clearly Messianic prophecy, Isaiah 55:1 promises that "Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters." This is the promise of a new, everlasting covenant per Isaiah 55:3! In John 4:14 and 7:38 Jesus promised that whoever drinks of the living water he offers will have eternal life.

The ending chapters of Revelation describe a series of events that are consummated together: the new heaven and new earth and New Jerusalem, which are the New Covenant church order, the dissolution of Hades, the final defeat of death and Satan, and the Parousia, marking the beginning of the established and victorious eternal reign of Christ.

It is critical to grasp that there are over 30 statements throughout Revelation that restrict its fulfillment to the events of the first century surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD70. At that time, the visible fabric of the Old Covenant order was swept away. The events were to happen SOON, WITHOUT DELAY, and MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE (Revelation 1:1-3; 22:6-20; etc.)

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Okay, here is not about right or wrong.
Yahshua judge you anyway, maybe that makes you not happy, so could you forgive him for he judges you ? and still call him brothers ?

In fact, this is our weakness, such as angry.

Please forgive him and say we are brothers.

Of course I forgive him! That isn't a question. Forgiveness is not an issue for me, for I have already explained that I live in a state of forgiveness. Good grief, I have been beaten by my parents, hated by my entire family, hated by all former friends, molested as a child . . . I have no hatred for anyone. Believe me, the list of grievances goes on and on . . . but they bother me none. People who remain under the Curse of the Lord cannot help how they are. They may be responsible for their sin, but as Paul said of his former life, it wasn't him who sinned, but the evil presence of the Sinful Nature. Paul's former father was the Devil, and Paul's human Nature did what it is designed to do . . . serve. So Pauls Sinful Nature obey the Devil and obediently did all that the Devil instructed him to do. That's not Pauls fault. Again, Paul had to be responsible for his sins, but Paul himself was not the instigator. And since this is the case with all of us at one point or another, forgiveness is a piece of cake. Forgiveness stems from True understanding, grace, and compassion. Therefore, I model myself after God in my human form.

Exodus 33:19 KJV - "And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."

I extend my human form of grace to all people. No one is exempt from this grace. Now, if I could only offer God's form of Grace . . . I would Circumcise everyone's heart so that we would all get along . . . and obey.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Maybe you just too insecure to see it.

Lol . . . yeah, no.

 

[soberxp]

It sounds like you believe this time we're in now is the New Jerusalem?

Why not?
The foundation of the church is new Jerusalem,
and new Jerusalem is the new bride,
and the new bride is the church or saints united with Jesus Christ.

Gospel of John
3:29 The bridegroom is the one who marries the bride, and the bridegroom's friends are very glad when they stand and hear the bridegroom's voice. Therefore I am satisfied with this joy.
3:30 He will prosper and I will decline. "
3: 31 "he who comes from heaven is above all things; he who comes from the earth belongs to the earth, and what he says belongs to the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all things.
3:32 He testified what he had seen and heard, but no one received his testimony.
3:33 And he who received his testimony sealed his seal to prove that God was true.

 

[Yahshua]

New Jerusalem - Inhabiting both here on earth and in Heaven at the same time.

The bible teaches that Jesus made a "Coming" just like the Father did numerous times. (Mat 24:3) Those that see Him in the New Jerusalem find that God is inhabiting both here on earth and in Heaven at the same time.

The foundations of the New Jerusalem are the "twelve apostles of the Lamb" (Revelation 21:14). Paul, in Ephesians 2:18-22,uses identical language about citizenship in the "household of God" as having been "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets."

Why not?
The foundation of the church is new Jerusalem,
and new Jerusalem is the new bride,
and the new bride is the church or saints united with Jesus Christ.

New Jerusalem, the bride, isn't fully assembled without all of the resurrected saints, which we know hasn't happened yet. Revelation says the 1st resurrection (of the righteous) occurs before New Jerusalem descends, her "dress" being the righteousness of the saints.

 

[soberxp]

New Jerusalem, the bride, isn't fully assembled without all of the resurrected saints, which we know hasn't happened yet. Revelation says the 1st resurrection (of the righteous) occurs before New Jerusalem descends, her "dress" being the righteousness of the saints.

Read and understand my testimony，may help you Understand Our current situation.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-second-coming-of-jesus.193968/#post-4337271

 

[SophieT]

Prophets were gifted men given to the Church and appointed by God (Eph. 4:11, 1 Cor. 12:28) for the purpose of helping to lay the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20).

In Luke 13:33 There is no prophet outside Jerusalem.

The Apostles, received God's revelation (Eph. 3:5) to teach His message. See 1 Cor. 14:36-37
The foundation of the Church has already been laid. God's Word was completed at the close of the New Testament. There is no more revelation beyond what God has provided. PROPHETS HAVE PASSED AWAY (1 Corinthians 13:8-10)

Matthew 7:15-20, Matthew 24:11-13, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1, Mark 13:22
All Prophets Who Came after the New Testament are False and God's punishment is DEATH.

Is it possible for a prophet to perish in Rome?.. Or in Iraq?.. Or in America, or in any other city besides the city who kills the prophets?
Rev 18:24 In her was found the blood of PROPHETS and of saints, and of all who have been slain on the earth."

in a forum, a person can put together verses that make no sense together and create a false doctrine

that is what you have done

it is possible for the truth to perish when some people start speaking

 

[soberxp]

you obviously do not understand salvation if you go about with that thought

and you are welcome to it

I have not seen one post from you that is uplifting or basic Bible doctrine

What do you want to hear?
Evil people will die forever?

But my understanding of salvation is no longer like this.God will eventually destroy evil, but not human life.


Romans
7: 19Therefore, I will not do the good I want; I will do the evil I do not want.
7: 20If I do what I do not want to do, I did not do it, but sin that lives in me.
7: 21I think there is a law that evil is with me when I am willing to do good.
7: 22For according to my inner meaning, I like the law of God;
7: 23But I felt that there was another law in the member that fought against the law of my heart and took me captive so that I might be subject to the law of sin in the member.
7: 24 I am so bitter! Who can save me from this dead body?
7: 25 thank God! Through our Lord Jesus Christ, we can escape. In this way, I obey the law of God in my heart, but my body obeys the law of sin.


Luke 9:56
The son of man did not come to destroy people's lives, but to save people's lives. "Then he went to other villages (there is only the first sentence of verse 55 and the last sentence of verse 56).

John 10:10
Thieves come to steal, kill and destroy; I have come to give life to the sheep and make it more abundant.

 

[DLM]

in a forum, a person can put together verses that make no sense together and create a false doctrine

that is what you have done

it is possible for the truth to perish when some people start speaking

Point the scripture out and lets talk about it.

 

[Yahshua]

Read and understand my testimony，may help you Understand Our current situation.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-second-coming-of-jesus.193968/#post-4337271

Ok, by this you're showing that the sun has darkened and that stars have fallen, right? Yes, I happen to agree that we're seeing these very signs these days...but don't agree that we're at the stage where New Jerusalem is already here. Check this out below...

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We know that Matthew 24 didn't describe several events occurring simultaneously but in sequence. At what rate the prophetic sequence occurs is up for debate, but whenever the phrase translated as "then" or "and then" appeared in this chapter it described a different event. In other words, "then" and "and then" were used as separators of events.


Matthew 24:9-10
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.


Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come


So now notice when we read the prophecy of astronomical events...


Matthew 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Notice that another "and then" follows the astronomical events, signaling the next event in the prophecy. I feel we're literally living through Matthew 24:29 and are about to witness verse 30 very soon when we will see the Son of Man come with POWER AND GLORY. Next, notice that in verse 31 - AFTER Messiah arrives - that He sends His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of the world.


Matthew 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


New Jerusalem doesn't appear until the elect is gathered together as one...and the elect isn't gathered until the Son of Man makes a grand appearance in power and glory.

 

[SomeDisciple]

In Deuteronomy 31:30; 32:1 - God is talking to Israel He calls them, "O heavens," and, "O earth." He is clearly not speaking to the physical heavens and earth. He's talking to Israel.

Yeah, he is speaking to Israel, but the song of moses is a prophecy for the heavens and the earth.... he even says in it "Rejoice all ye nations" lol.

 

[1ofthem]

So do you guys think New Jerusalem has already come? Clearly, it hasn't. There is still plenty of tears, death, sorrow, crying, and pain on this earth.

Revelation 21:4 Context

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

 

[soberxp]

Ok, by this you're showing that the sun has darkened and that stars have fallen, right? Yes, I happen to agree that we're seeing these very signs these days...but don't agree that we're at the stage where New Jerusalem is already here. Check this out below...

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We know that Matthew 24 didn't describe several events occurring simultaneously but in sequence. At what rate the prophetic sequence occurs is up for debate, but whenever the phrase translated as "then" or "and then" appeared in this chapter it described a different event. In other words, "then" and "and then" were used as separators of events.


Matthew 24:9-10
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.


Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come


So now notice when we read the prophecy of astronomical events...


Matthew 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Notice that another "and then" follows the astronomical events, signaling the next event in the prophecy. I feel we're literally living through Matthew 24:29 and are about to witness verse 30 very soon when we will see the Son of Man come with POWER AND GLORY. Next, notice that in verse 31 - AFTER Messiah arrives - that He sends His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of the world.


Matthew 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


New Jerusalem doesn't appear until the elect is gathered together as one...and the elect isn't gathered until the Son of Man makes a grand appearance in power and glory.

At this point you seem to have forgotten God's chosen Israelites, who were raised for the first time, the twelve apostles, Paul, and many others，they are also the elect.

Can't God gather them together as one first?

Do you think the doctrines in the world are gathering people or splitting people?

If you can't believe what I said, what else can you believe?