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I am sure you Understand the grace of God,and I know deep inside we know what is really good,I just want to convey the right message through my experience of the grace of God,I just received it from God. Forgiving others can save ours life.

Romans
7: Therefore, I will not do the good I want; I will do the evil I do not want.
7: If I do what I do not want to do, I did not do it, but sin that lives in me.
7: I think there is a law that evil is with me when I am willing to do good.
7: For according to my inner meaning, I like the law of God;
7: But I felt that there was another law in the member that fought against the law of my heart and took me captive so that I might be subject to the law of sin in the member.
7: 24 I am so bitter! Who can save me from this dead body?
7: 25 thank God! Through our Lord Jesus Christ, we can escape. In this way, I obey the law of God in my heart, but my body obeys the law of sin.
I do believe that I understand Grace. From God's perspective, there is no greater Grace that to alleviate the Curse from a person's heart. As for my human grace, it is to forgive those just as Christ has forgiven us. And we forgive even though it has not been asked of us. I forgive because God chose me even though I was living a life of total disobedience and corruption. He plucked me out of this world and claimed me as His own . . . it is amazing that He did this. To this day, His Grace astonishes me. I was teaching false doctrines, such as we can sin all we want and still go to heaven . . . I was telling this to women that I wanted to have sex with. They were questioning me on Christians having premarital sex, and I led them down a path that granted me what I wanted . . . yet the Lord saved me anyway. As I write, I shake my head both in self-disgust as well as amazement for how the Lord chose me . . . exactly as the Bible says He will and does.
 

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Isaiah 65 and 66 is not about heaven people are being born and people are dying so its cant be heaven. It's the New Jerusalem.

Read Isaiah 65 and 66 which is the New Heaven and New Earth prophecy. There’s a reason you don’t hear preaching on these passages. Offspring? Live 100 years or less? Build and plant? Moon to moon, Sabbath to Sabbath? Nothing sounds eternal. It’s speaking of living on Earth as Gods people in his Spirit. Of course when you die you go to Heaven but New Covenant Age language still contains sin vs salvation. On the same planet as today as Jeremiah 33:20-26 states.

All true Christians that have accepted the Gospel are IN Christ, the Body of Christ where Paul tells us first century Christians were citizens. (Ephesians 2:18-22, Hebrews 12:22)
“Isaiah 65 and 66 is not about heaven people are being born and people are dying so its cant be heaven”

do you ever just read whats there ? And ask the lord to give you understanding ? It’s about what it says

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭

it’s the same promise as this

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

…. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Same promise as this

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

new Jerusalem will come down from heaven where it is now it seems as if Christians should be living with anticipation of when Christ will
Come even as we remember he came once to bear our sins

“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems to be a main theme in scriptire that at the end Jesus will return with many saints and angels in tow
 

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Didn't discredit your experience. I just can't confirm or deny it. I can't verify it. No one can, but you. And so using it as a basis for whether something is or isn't found in the scriptures, isn't right (it's like an appeal to one's own authority). I apologize for how sharply and cavalier I communicated that. I could've been more gentle while still being validating.

Best.
I accept your apology. Not to be rude, but this is not between you and me. This is between you and your god.
 

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“Isaiah 65 and 66 is not about heaven people are being born and people are dying so its cant be heaven”

do you ever just read whats there ? And ask the lord to give you understanding ? It’s about what it says

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭

it’s the same promise as this

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

…. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Same promise as this

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

new Jerusalem will come down from heaven where it is now it seems as if Christians should be living with anticipation of when Christ will
Come even as we remember he came once to bear our sins

“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems to be a main theme in scriptire that at the end Jesus will return with many saints and angels in tow
New Jerusalem Kingdom Death Continues

The full establishment of the kingdom of God and the resurrection are linked since both occurred at the last trumpet (Revelation 11:15). If the "coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed," why would one expect the resurrection to be a visible phenomenon?

The resurrection is a heavenly event; not an earthly one with eternal, perfected earthly bodies; also makes sense of Isaiah 65. Isaiah describes the New Jerusalem. However, in verse 20 Isaiah indicates that in the New Jerusalem people still die: "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed."16 The fact that people still die on earth during and after the resurrection at the end of the age again implies that eternal life is only reserved for heaven and it is here that the promised resurrection is expected to occur according to the Bible.
 

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I do believe that I understand Grace. From God's perspective, there is no greater Grace that to alleviate the Curse from a person's heart. As for my human grace, it is to forgive those just as Christ has forgiven us. And we forgive even though it has not been asked of us. I forgive because God chose me even though I was living a life of total disobedience and corruption. He plucked me out of this world and claimed me as His own . . . it is amazing that He did this. To this day, His Grace astonishes me. I was teaching false doctrines, such as we can sin all we want and still go to heaven . . . I was telling this to women that I wanted to have sex with. They were questioning me on Christians having premarital sex, and I led them down a path that granted me what I wanted . . . yet the Lord saved me anyway. As I write, I shake my head both in self-disgust as well as amazement for how the Lord chose me . . . exactly as the Bible says He will and does.
You weren't saved at that time. You hadn't truly placed your faith and trust in the Lord. You still had your affections placed on the world and the lust thereof. You weren't willing to take up your cross and follow the Lord.

God's grace is sufficient for anyone who will accept Him and put their faith and trust in Him.

Once anyone chooses to accept Him and his ways, then there is a change. He gives us a new heart.
 

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I do believe that I understand Grace. From God's perspective, there is no greater Grace that to alleviate the Curse from a person's heart. As for my human grace, it is to forgive those just as Christ has forgiven us. And we forgive even though it has not been asked of us. I forgive because God chose me even though I was living a life of total disobedience and corruption. He plucked me out of this world and claimed me as His own . . . it is amazing that He did this. To this day, His Grace astonishes me. I was teaching false doctrines, such as we can sin all we want and still go to heaven . . . I was telling this to women that I wanted to have sex with. They were questioning me on Christians having premarital sex, and I led them down a path that granted me what I wanted . . . yet the Lord saved me anyway. As I write, I shake my head both in self-disgust as well as amazement for how the Lord chose me . . . exactly as the Bible says He will and does.
Proverbs 19:11
When a man has insight, he is not easily angry. It is his glory to forgive others mistakes.

I just keep reminding myself of the importance of the Lord's prayer.


Matthew Gospel
6: Do not imitate them, for your father already knew what you needed before you prayed. "
6: Therefore, when you pray, say this: 'our father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
6: May your kingdom come. May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
6: 11 our daily bread is given to us today.
6: Forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven man's debts.
6: Do not let us meet temptation and save us from evil. For the Kingdom, power and glory are yours forever. Amen
6: 14 "if you forgive the transgressions of others, your heavenly Father will forgive your transgressions;
6: If you do not forgive the transgressions of others, your heavenly Father will not forgive your transgressions. "


As I have said forgive others can save our life.
 

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“Isaiah 65 and 66 is not about heaven people are being born and people are dying so its cant be heaven”

do you ever just read whats there ? And ask the lord to give you understanding ? It’s about what it says

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭

it’s the same promise as this

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

…. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Same promise as this

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

new Jerusalem will come down from heaven where it is now it seems as if Christians should be living with anticipation of when Christ will
Come even as we remember he came once to bear our sins

“So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems to be a main theme in scriptire that at the end Jesus will return with many saints and angels in tow

Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

This prophecy had to be fulfilled before the law could pass away. Until God created a new heaven and earth, the old covenant remained in tack, every bit of it. So, if we are not living in the New Heaven and Earth today, then we are under the law, every bit of it. But I know of no Christian who would say that ALL the Old Testament Scriptures are binding on us. If they did, they would have to be keeping the Sabbath, and the feasts, and they would have to be sacrificing animals. Are we bound by the Old Covenant Law today?
 

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You weren't saved. You hadn't truly placed your faith and trust in the Lord. You still had your affections placed on the world and the lust thereof. You weren't willing to take up your cross and follow the Lord.

God's grace is sufficient for anyone who will accept Him and put their faith and trust in Him.

Once anyone chooses to accept Him and his ways, then there is a change. He gives us a new heart.
Beeeeeutiful! We know that we are Children of God when our lives change. And for me, my life began to change beyond my own control. Incredibly, even if the Lord were to offer me a wife, I don't know that I would even be able to offer her my "conjugal duties." Although I was a total sex addict, nowadays, it seems like such a silly, childish thing to do. Seriously, it just seems like a selfish waste of time. Now THAT'S quite a change! My whole life has changed. The things I wanted to do, I don't want to do them. The things I used to do, I no longer do them. In fact, I am absolutely repelled by worldly acts . . . speech . . . cursing and swearing. I am disgusted, in large, by this world. And why wouldn't I be? This world belongs to Satan. Thus, I do not blend in with this world, nor do I blend in with today's modern cay "church." Heck, I barely blend in with this place . . . and in fact, I wait daily to be kicked out of here.

Anyway, I appreciate your assessment of me. You have the wisdom to make proper, balanced judgments of people. I love it!
 

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Proverbs 19:11
When a man has insight, he is not easily angry. It is his glory to forgive others mistakes.

I just keep reminding myself of the importance of the Lord's prayer.


Matthew Gospel
6: Do not imitate them, for your father already knew what you needed before you prayed. "
6: Therefore, when you pray, say this: 'our father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
6: May your kingdom come. May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
6: 11 our daily bread is given to us today.
6: Forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven man's debts.
6: Do not let us meet temptation and save us from evil. For the Kingdom, power and glory are yours forever. Amen
6: 14 "if you forgive the transgressions of others, your heavenly Father will forgive your transgressions;
6: If you do not forgive the transgressions of others, your heavenly Father will not forgive your transgressions. "
Not only can we assess ourselves based upon our own fruit, but we can assess others based upon their fruit.

1 John 4:1 NIV - "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Test first, then assess. This is proper, balanced judgment. But it should be noted that we are not judging another person's heart, but their actions. Thus, when I was judged for being prideful, that was was an unbiblical judgment. And like king David . . . I could care less, for that could be the Plan of God. Therefore, I invite people to berate and belittle me . . . I thank people for their harshness (not always, but usually). :D
 

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Not only can we assess ourselves based upon our own fruit, but we can assess others based upon their fruit.

1 John 4:1 NIV - "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Test first, then assess. This is proper, balanced judgment. But it should be noted that we are not judging another person's heart, but their actions. Thus, when I was judged for being prideful, that was was an unbiblical judgment. And like king David . . . I could care less, for that could be the Plan of God. Therefore, I invite people to berate and belittle me . . . I thank people for their harshness (not always, but usually). :D
Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


^ A lesson given by the Messiah. On a forum, where only words are provided to each other, we've a direct window into each other's heart. Testing the spirit is testing what's in one's heart...which can be done through words.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Cool! Am I your brother now *bats eyes furiously*
You are commanded to judge the actions and even inactions of others, for this is "testing the spirits." The purpose of testing spirits is to find out if that person has been taught the Truth, thus living by the Truth. These are the judgments we are required to make. In the future, you may judge my heart all you like, but at that point, you have my God defending me . . . that's not a position I'd want to be in.

The below verse should terrify all who claim the name, Christian.

Hebrews 13:2 NLT - "Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!"
 

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New Jerusalem Kingdom Death Continues

The full establishment of the kingdom of God and the resurrection are linked since both occurred at the last trumpet (Revelation 11:15). If the "coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed," why would one expect the resurrection to be a visible phenomenon?

The resurrection is a heavenly event; not an earthly one with eternal, perfected earthly bodies; also makes sense of Isaiah 65. Isaiah describes the New Jerusalem. However, in verse 20 Isaiah indicates that in the New Jerusalem people still die: "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed."16 The fact that people still die on earth during and after the resurrection at the end of the age again implies that eternal life is only reserved for heaven and it is here that the promised resurrection is expected to occur according to the Bible.
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-4‬ ‭

the ot prophets didn’t fully understand as I’ve already quoted in my first post they didn’t have any concept of Christs reality yet

“Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But this should be very relevant to you consider whether Peter has it all wrong or you do

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-13‬ ‭

that’s some of that New Testament prophecy I was telling you about

it seems nearing the end ot of Christian scoffers would come denying Christs return and the destruction of this world and ushering in of the new. Why was Peter at the end of his life still
Anticipating a last days denial of his return if he had already come ? Y does the New Testament promise he will come ?

“He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember though soon or quickly to God could be thousands of years what we think of as soon isn’t the same as God who’s looking at the whole entire picture.

Jesus hasn’t yet returned because there’s still evil that’s ruling the earth when he returns righteousness is all that will exist on earth and people won’t die neither will the next world be like this one in other ways

There are two worlds one that is and will end other that will
Come with Christ

“Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

one world is reserved for judgement the other is eternal Kingdom of righteousness and life it’s based on his word of promise that we have to believe because we can’t see it we have to live by faith in his certain word

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s coming back no one knows when could be tomorrow could be a Thousand years but he’s coming
 
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Ok now this it appears to "me" that this yashua character is throwing a temper tamtrum. These are only views, s
It's a forum. Whether a chat or a forum, if one isn't contributing then what's the point of communicating? And this is specifically the bible discussion forum, where we discuss the bible based on the specific thread topic. It's crazy how two recent members seek to explain to me etiquette and character having spent little time here to actually get to know me or the things I've shared. Just arguing for the sake of arguing. It's wild.
At what point who was arguing? Any time somebody feel a type of way in a Christian chat rroom saying someone has a problem wth them is a huge red flag, Especially when you state that someone has a problem with you, which YahShua clearly stated. Maybe you just consume in arguing so much that anything you don't agree with is a argument . God bless you dear, ill pray for you.
 

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Ok now this it appears to "me" that this yashua character is throwing a temper tamtrum. These are only views, s
At what point who was arguing? Any time somebody feel a type of way in a Christian chat rroom saying someone has a problem wth them is a huge red flag, Especially when you state that someone has a problem with you, which YahShua clearly stated. Maybe you just consume in arguing so much that anything you don't agree with is a argument . God bless you dear, ill pray for you.
Becoming angry is a method of control and manipulation. It is designed to shut others up. I've been guilty . . . I get it. :)

Pureness, you have yourself an amazing day!!!
 

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“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-4‬ ‭

the ot prophets didn’t fully understand as I’ve already quoted in my first post they didn’t have any concept of Christs reality yet

“Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But this should be very relevant to you consider whether Peter has it all wrong or you do

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-13‬ ‭

that’s some of that New Testament prophecy I was telling you about

it seems nearing the end ot of Christian scoffers would come denying Christs return and the destruction of this world and ushering in of the new. Why was Peter at the end of his life still
Anticipating a last days denial of his return if he had already come ? Y does the New Testament promise he will come ?

“He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember though soon or quickly to God could be thousands of years what we think of as soon isn’t the same as God who’s looking at the whole entire picture.

Jesus hasn’t yet returned because there’s still evil that’s ruling the earth when he returns righteousness is all that will exist on earth and people won’t die neither will the next world be like this one in other ways

There are two worlds one that is and will end other that will
Come with Christ

“Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

one world is reserved for judgement the other is eternal Kingdom of righteousness and life it’s based on his word of promise that we have to believe because we can’t see it we have to live by faith in his certain word

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s coming back no one knows when could be tomorrow could be a Thousand years but he’s coming

Are you not getting what I said? Killing still takes place in the New Jerusalem.
 

Yahshua

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You are commanded to judge the actions and even inactions of others, for this is "testing the spirits." The purpose of testing spirits is to find out if that person has been taught the Truth, thus living by the Truth. These are the judgments we are required to make. In the future, you may judge my heart all you like, but at that point, you have my God defending me . . . that's not a position I'd want to be in.

The below verse should terrify all who claim the name, Christian.

Hebrews 13:2 NLT - "Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!"
All well and good...but am I your brother now or still no dice?


John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart


Nothing wrong with judging a person's heart, the inside is what we're meant to be looking at anyhow.
 

DLM

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Are you not getting what I said? Killing still takes place in the New Jerusalem.
Killing still take place when were in the New Jerusalem. The gates are still open to this very day. And always will be.

Outside of the New Jerusalem where dogs and whore mongers which represented sinners. IF THE NEW JERUSALEM WAS HEAVEN THERE WOULD NOT BE SINNERS OUTSIDE THE PEARLY GATES. On the other hand, if the New Jerusalem represents Gods bride the church then yes, outside Gods church there would be dogs and whore mongers (sinners). (Revelation 22:15)

Many were taught this is Heaven but verse 2 tells us it's the New Jerusalem. We know this is not Heaven because It comes out of Heaven, therefore it cannot be Heaven, It's Spiritual. Look at verse 25 Why would Heaven need gates? The gates are always open because new Christians are added daily. Also Sin continues outside the gates of the New Jerusalem. Outside the gates are where the Non Christians are. They have not accepted Christ yet. Now if this were Heaven, there would be no sinners outside the gates. (Revelation 22:15)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

This prophecy had to be fulfilled before the law could pass away. Until God created a new heaven and earth, the old covenant remained in tack, every bit of it. But I know of no Christian who would say that ALL the Old Testament Scriptures are binding on us. If they did, they would have to be keeping the Sabbath, and the feasts, and they would have to be sacrificing animals. Are we bound by the Old Covenant Law today?
“So, if we are not living in the New Heaven and Earth today, then we are under the law, every bit of it.”

wow you think this is the new earth lol ? Why is it so wicked ? Y does everyone died righteous people get the shaft and suffer why do the wicked prosper so ?

if we were in the new earth this would be the situation.

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There’s sorrow . Sin , pain ,suffering , tears , death , injustice , every false belief and religion one could imagine nations starving nations at war nations worshipping devils and demons and rats and alligators nations worshipping death saints

cartels who dismember living people to terrorize communities terrorism cross the globe ect

of this is the new earth God promised then it isn’t the one he spoke about in the Bible this one seems more like this one we corrupted

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And this one that will pass away

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

brother when you see no suffering no sin no death and Jesus walking among us youll Know we’re home until then we’re strangers and pilgrims passing through strange land of wickedness and death where evil prospers and makes rich and righteousness often comes with persecutions and injustices

this isn’t the plan but it’s coming