The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Jesus is back. What you lack is patience and patience, Believe in what you want。
Even if the world is bad and you hate it, on the day of resurrection, everything will be renewed. What you lack is faith, expectation and hope.
We will meet Jesus When we asleep.
Believe me, Jesus has returned. It's just a day you don't know。
Believe me, I've been confused about things in the world, but it doesn't stop my faith.
Love is hope, if you believe in God so loves us,Resurrection will not be late，Just right。
Even if the world is bad and you hate it, on the day of resurrection, everything will be renewed. What you lack is faith, expectation and hope.
We will meet Jesus When we asleep.
Believe me, Jesus has returned. It's just a day you don't know。
Believe me, I've been confused about things in the world, but it doesn't stop my faith.
Love is hope, if you believe in God so loves us,Resurrection will not be late，Just right。
God`s kingdom/rule is over all. (Ps. 24: 1& 2) He made it all, (Col. 1: 16) He never gave it away, He is just dealing with the rebellious.
The quotes from the OT are for those people. For us we need to read what Christ the HEAD of the Body is telling us in the Apostle Paul`s writings.
We have been promised to be made like Christ, (Rom. 8: 29) and receive an incorruptible and immortal body (1 Cor. 15: 53) which is NOT made for this world but for Christ`s own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)
As the Apostle Paul says by the Lord`s Holy Spirit, `Let no one defraud you of your reward.......& not holding fast to the Head...` (Col. 2: 18 & 19)
The quotes from the OT are for those people. For us we need to read what Christ the HEAD of the Body is telling us in the Apostle Paul`s writings.
We have been promised to be made like Christ, (Rom. 8: 29) and receive an incorruptible and immortal body (1 Cor. 15: 53) which is NOT made for this world but for Christ`s own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)
As the Apostle Paul says by the Lord`s Holy Spirit, `Let no one defraud you of your reward.......& not holding fast to the Head...` (Col. 2: 18 & 19)
So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ.
And are you saying that Paul lied when He said that he was given this revelation of the Body of Christ which had NOT been revealed before?
And yes all books build on each other as to the revelation of Christ`s character and His purposes.
And are you saying that Paul lied when He said that he was given this revelation of the Body of Christ which had NOT been revealed before?
And yes all books build on each other as to the revelation of Christ`s character and His purposes.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 are interpreted to refer to the Resurrection, not a rapture. For two thousand years most Christians understood that these verses referred to the resurrection of the dead.
The rapture theory has grown in popularity so quickly that many Christians assume it to be true.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 At the resurrection, those that were left alive were caught up in the AIR (spiritual), just as we were when we first accepted Christ. Now we will be with the Lord forever. Those that were physically dead (in their grave) went to heaven. Those alive were caught into the kingdom into Christ. Those that died physically went to heaven those alive went into the Kingdom, the body of Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:51-56
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
(Not all of them would sleep (die) and await a resurrection, but some of them would be alive during and after Christ coming and those would be changed.)
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(After the trumps sounds those who were physically dead would have their souls/spirits be raised incorruptible and those who were still alive physically would be changed, so that their souls would never stay in the grave, but go from this body to a celestial one and go from earth to heaven when their physical bodies perished)
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(Corruptible were the ones physically dead that were putting on in corruption and those mortal who were physically alive who were given immortality.)
54 So when this corruptible (Those who were physically dead) has put on incorruption (Immortality), and this mortal (Those physically alive) has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death (spiritual death) is swallowed up in victory."
55 "O Death (spiritual death), where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?" (O grave, where is your victory for those who had physically died and were waiting for the last day resurrection of their (spirits/souls)
56 The sting of (spiritual) death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
If the resurrection was an earthly event, Then that would contradict 1 Corinthians 15:44 and Colossians 1:18
Now, for those that deny the resurrection has not happened, Where are you going to get raptured to Hades?
The rapture theory has grown in popularity so quickly that many Christians assume it to be true.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 At the resurrection, those that were left alive were caught up in the AIR (spiritual), just as we were when we first accepted Christ. Now we will be with the Lord forever. Those that were physically dead (in their grave) went to heaven. Those alive were caught into the kingdom into Christ. Those that died physically went to heaven those alive went into the Kingdom, the body of Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:51-56
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
(Not all of them would sleep (die) and await a resurrection, but some of them would be alive during and after Christ coming and those would be changed.)
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(After the trumps sounds those who were physically dead would have their souls/spirits be raised incorruptible and those who were still alive physically would be changed, so that their souls would never stay in the grave, but go from this body to a celestial one and go from earth to heaven when their physical bodies perished)
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(Corruptible were the ones physically dead that were putting on in corruption and those mortal who were physically alive who were given immortality.)
54 So when this corruptible (Those who were physically dead) has put on incorruption (Immortality), and this mortal (Those physically alive) has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death (spiritual death) is swallowed up in victory."
55 "O Death (spiritual death), where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?" (O grave, where is your victory for those who had physically died and were waiting for the last day resurrection of their (spirits/souls)
56 The sting of (spiritual) death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
If the resurrection was an earthly event, Then that would contradict 1 Corinthians 15:44 and Colossians 1:18
Now, for those that deny the resurrection has not happened, Where are you going to get raptured to Hades?
That would be one reason. Also, that the believers that are eagerly waiting are not overtaken as a thief as many think. Another reason is that God is not judging people or letting them be collateral when He catches away His Body.
I think that it is God`s motive that is on trial there, as in all of deception.
I think that it is God`s motive that is on trial there, as in all of deception.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Obviously no one FROM HEAVEN is worried about HELL coming against the church.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Again, no need for the church, (the one built on the earth) to leave earth as this shows it is already connected.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Here is an EXAMPLE set for us to follow OURS looking more like 'go into tribulation, suffer many things of the deceiver, be killed and be raised'. GOD Himself did it so why would less be expected of the final generation?
Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
WOULDN'T the 'escape' from GREAT tribulation, FALL under the same kind of offence? What purpose does TAKING the CHURCH from the earth serve EXCEPT FOR THE CHURCH? It doesn't serve any purpose for God ESPECIALLY since 'not all could go as one body' since some must remain. WHO IS DIVIDING THE BODY OF CHRIST?
Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it.
What would be the EXACT opposite of the statement Christ just made?
A doctrine that says divide what you SUFFERED to bring together, so SOME can 'fly away to safety', away from great tribulation, before made to suffer or killed or tried, the ONLY GROUP who could POSSIBLY endure to the end
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we don't die or suffer or be tested or be judged and just wait it out till it is over and then return to gather OUR BRETHREN WHO DID so we can receive all the same rewards as those who did.
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us
No need for church as we are already represented
Hebrews 9:25 Nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others 26 For then must He often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
True or false?
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
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The whole Body will be gathered together and taken to Christ`s own throne where they will rule with the Lord - judging the world system and fallen angels, (Rev. 3: 21, 1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)
God has great purposes and the Body of Christ is but part of that. All realms of authority need to come under the Lordship of Christ and those whom God has planned to serve there, will, under Christ.
God has great purposes and the Body of Christ is but part of that. All realms of authority need to come under the Lordship of Christ and those whom God has planned to serve there, will, under Christ.
LOL - Just like in the Days of Noah = Everyone loving one another and walking around with flowers in their hair.
So many flowers were uprooted in the Peaceful and Normal days of Noah that God became full of anger and wrath and then drowned all flesh on earth leaving behind just 8 Souls to repopulate the earth.
I couldn't imagine living at a better time......................
So many flowers were uprooted in the Peaceful and Normal days of Noah that God became full of anger and wrath and then drowned all flesh on earth leaving behind just 8 Souls to repopulate the earth.
I couldn't imagine living at a better time......................
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have you ever read Peter 1 and 2 ? It’s all there the same as Paul there’s absolutely no difference in Paul and the other eleven apostles
John actually received as much of not more revelation than paul.
the gospel of John for instance is the most edifying book in scriptire pertaining to Christ be his divinity and eternal Identity. About the eternal aithority of his word ect the epistles don’t compare to the gospels
But to discuss what did Paul teach about that the others didn’t ?
John actually received as much of not more revelation than paul.
the gospel of John for instance is the most edifying book in scriptire pertaining to Christ be his divinity and eternal Identity. About the eternal aithority of his word ect the epistles don’t compare to the gospels
But to discuss what did Paul teach about that the others didn’t ?
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“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 KJV
Sudden for some because they haven’t believed the gospel and heard the truth but those who are watching as the lord taught us to do
“But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”
1 Thessalonians 5:4-6 KJV
paul Is just preaching the gospel
“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
Mark 13:31-37
it’s odd he would prepare believers for these things if they aren’t going to be there
1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 KJV
Sudden for some because they haven’t believed the gospel and heard the truth but those who are watching as the lord taught us to do
“But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”
1 Thessalonians 5:4-6 KJV
paul Is just preaching the gospel
“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
Mark 13:31-37
it’s odd he would prepare believers for these things if they aren’t going to be there
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Hi Pilgrim,
Yes Peter wrote by the Holy Spirit about the Lord Jesus Christ, but NOT about the Body of Christ. Peter even said that what Paul wrote was `some things hard to understand.` (2 Peter 3: 16)
And yes John wrote by the Holy Spirit concerning Christ overseeing the Churches he would know in Asia Minor. However He did not understand that they were the Body of Christ set together in Christ. (1 Cor. 12: 18)
Paul`s epistles (by the Holy Spirit from the Lord) reveal Christ at work building and maturing His Body from the Father`s Throne. And that is where the Father made Jesus the Head of His Body `far above all, with all power and authority and might and dominion and every name that is named not only in this age but also in that which is to come and out all things under His feet...` (Eph. 1: 21 - 23)
Yes Peter wrote by the Holy Spirit about the Lord Jesus Christ, but NOT about the Body of Christ. Peter even said that what Paul wrote was `some things hard to understand.` (2 Peter 3: 16)
And yes John wrote by the Holy Spirit concerning Christ overseeing the Churches he would know in Asia Minor. However He did not understand that they were the Body of Christ set together in Christ. (1 Cor. 12: 18)
Paul`s epistles (by the Holy Spirit from the Lord) reveal Christ at work building and maturing His Body from the Father`s Throne. And that is where the Father made Jesus the Head of His Body `far above all, with all power and authority and might and dominion and every name that is named not only in this age but also in that which is to come and out all things under His feet...` (Eph. 1: 21 - 23)
God is the Author and His Holy Spirit directed the hearts & Minds of the Apostles what to write.
The Book is a Love Letter from Christ to His Bride which HE calls the 'Elect'.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The Book is a Love Letter from Christ to His Bride which HE calls the 'Elect'.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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“Yes Peter wrote by the Holy Spirit about the Lord Jesus Christ, but NOT about the Body of Christ. Peter even said that what Paul wrote was `some things hard to understand.`”
the body of Christ is the church Peter wrote tones about it they use different words to convey y he r same messages of Jesus. The apostles were men they had different ways of speaking and conveying those revelations Paul eas a Roman citizen educated much more than the others and wrote beautifully
but the message is the same one Jesus preached but further revealed by the apostles all of them paul is equal to them all even though he was chosen later but Paul is not greater of more important than any of them they are all members of the same team d thier messages require the others to be complete
Peter is to the point , Paul will go on and on about something John speaks from a whole different angle than the others ect they all have different attributes and strengths
but what I’m saying is they all are speaking from the spirit of Christ the same things they were writing to the same church like that passage you pointed out
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:15-18 KJV
Notice how they are both teaching the same group ? Peter isn’t disparaging Paul’s writings but embracing them and warning them that Paul’s pretty wordy so you really have to look and see what he’s saying
Peter and Paul were writing to the same church the same message of grace , faith , patience , endurance in the gospel preaching the same kingdom
Peter says things paul doesn’t say Paul says things Peter doesn’t say but the message comes together as one from Jesus
for instance Paul could have written this
“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”
2 Peter 1:1-4 KJV
and in fact he actually does wrote those same things differently using different wording and examples but the message itself is the same and goes together
Peter could have written this
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Romans 1:1, 3-7 KJV
just like this forum people have learned to express words and thoughts in different words and ways but often the same things are communicated
John to me stands out as different sort of like he’s looking from a different plain of understanding like he’s not really speaking from earths perspective but with a view from heaven
they all have that quality d all should be received because Thy per message is part of the same one found in Matthew mark Luke and John
anyways thanks for the chat !!!
the body of Christ is the church Peter wrote tones about it they use different words to convey y he r same messages of Jesus. The apostles were men they had different ways of speaking and conveying those revelations Paul eas a Roman citizen educated much more than the others and wrote beautifully
but the message is the same one Jesus preached but further revealed by the apostles all of them paul is equal to them all even though he was chosen later but Paul is not greater of more important than any of them they are all members of the same team d thier messages require the others to be complete
Peter is to the point , Paul will go on and on about something John speaks from a whole different angle than the others ect they all have different attributes and strengths
but what I’m saying is they all are speaking from the spirit of Christ the same things they were writing to the same church like that passage you pointed out
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:15-18 KJV
Notice how they are both teaching the same group ? Peter isn’t disparaging Paul’s writings but embracing them and warning them that Paul’s pretty wordy so you really have to look and see what he’s saying
Peter and Paul were writing to the same church the same message of grace , faith , patience , endurance in the gospel preaching the same kingdom
Peter says things paul doesn’t say Paul says things Peter doesn’t say but the message comes together as one from Jesus
for instance Paul could have written this
“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”
2 Peter 1:1-4 KJV
and in fact he actually does wrote those same things differently using different wording and examples but the message itself is the same and goes together
Peter could have written this
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Romans 1:1, 3-7 KJV
just like this forum people have learned to express words and thoughts in different words and ways but often the same things are communicated
John to me stands out as different sort of like he’s looking from a different plain of understanding like he’s not really speaking from earths perspective but with a view from heaven
they all have that quality d all should be received because Thy per message is part of the same one found in Matthew mark Luke and John
anyways thanks for the chat !!!
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