Jews In The Holocaust

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Webers.Home

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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TheIndianGirl

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This is a big question and many people have wondered. The simple answer that many people agree upon is that God used the Holocaust as a means to establish Israel as a country. Also, not only did the Jews die, but so did millions of other people. About 6 million Jews died, and about 80 million total died during the war including a lot of soldiers and civilians. So, another major question, along the same thought, is why God allowed WWII? The simple answer to that, is that we all live in a fallen world.
 

Aerials1978

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There is no simple answer. Why has God allowed millions of unborn babies to die in a horrific way? I believe He hasn’t. There is a ordained plan that was put into place long before the foundation of the world was established. God’s wrath is coming, and no one can endure it who does not belong to Him.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Touchy subject for our Blessed brothers and sisters. Man . . . I care about this group of people so much.

Psalm 116:15 KJV - "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints."
 

Blik

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.


One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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God does not act as a producer of robots, God allows our life to flow from our choices. There were many choices not to follow God made by many people that led to the holocaust. Hitler once said he was only following what Luther taught.

Germany is a Christian nation, it would be biblically called the kingdom of Germany. Christians are to live in their earthly kingdom and obey its rules, but not when those rules mean they must disobey the rules of the kingdom of heaven. Many people chose the kingdom of Germany to live in, and God does not force his kingdom on anyone.

In Denmark many Jews were saved because when they were ordered to wear the star of David, all Danes put on that star.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Romans 11:7-8 NLT - "So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of God they are looking for so earnestly. A few have--the ones God has chosen--but the hearts of the rest were hardened. 8 As the Scriptures say, "God has put them into a deep sleep. To this day he has shut their eyes so they do not see, and closed their ears so they do not hear."
 

JaumeJ

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It is very sad when people confuse the works of this age with God working them. The Israel on the mop today bares no resemblence to the Israel of yore, and, God forbid, the Israel of God to come.
 

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How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust? Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to protect His chosen people?
Those are tough questions, but it all comes down to the rejection of Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah and King of the Jews. Ideally all Jews should be Christians, having believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and received Him as Lord and Savior. But that has not happened as yet. God did say that there would be judgment on Israel for rejecting Christ, and the Holocaust may have been a part of that judgment. We can be thankful that many are now believing on Christ, but they are a minority.

At the same time the Holocaust was pure demonic and Satanic evil. But we need to see that now there is a Holocaust happening right before our eyes, and it is not limited to one ethnic group. The lethal and toxic bogus vaccines are killing and destroying people daily.

"The Vaccine Death Report shows all the scientific evidence that millions of innocent people lost their lives and hundreds of millions are suffering crippling side effects, after being injected with the experimental covid injections. The report exposes the strategic methods used by governments and health agencies to hide 99% of all vaccine injuries and deaths. You will also learn who is really behind all of this, and what their true agenda is."
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/report/
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus Yeshua is the only true holocaust. There can be no other since His perfect sacrifice.
 

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.


One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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This is why!

Matt. 27:24-25

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."
 

Webers.Home

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To find an answer to the OP's question one need look no further than Ex
34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the
Jews, as a people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant
that their ancestors agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,
and Deuteronomy.

A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end
of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only
unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to
lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the
agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the
scripture references in the above paragraph.

There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill
too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant
accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses. Anybody
who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His own
people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite
cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list
are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize
they're reading a synopsis of the Jews' history.
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2ndTimothyGroup

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Can someone please tell me why post number 6 is in error?

When Paul wrote that God ordained him, Paul, to explain the Mysterious Plan of God, was Paul lying? No, he wasn't. So why are you people dying what Paul wrote? Why do you people deny the Power of God?

Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."

Post #6 shows that Paul gave our Powerful God the full credit and responsibility for their choices. All people did exactly what God had them do . . . against their will. Yet you people deny God this incredible Power. Do you not recognize the Power of God? Do you not realize that He, the Lord, is in control of all things and that WE ARE NO?

I'll feed it to you again so that 'christians" will stop blaming the Blessed Jews! Paul has told us that God is responsible . . . so get off the backs of your Brothers and Sisters, the Jews!

Romans 11:7-8 NLT - "So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of God they are looking for so earnestly. A few have--the ones God has chosen--but the hearts of the rest were hardened. 8 As the Scriptures say, "God has put them into a deep sleep. To this day he has shut their eyes so they do not see, and closed their ears so they do not hear."
 
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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.


One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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Perhaps you need to read Corrie Ten Booms book. Or Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Or Jewish writers who believed God was there in the midst of it all. The bigger question is why the German nation, which claimed to be Christian, would do the horrific things they did to their fellow countrymen and neighbors. Without regard for life, with no conviction, watch as people were gassed, starved, tortured, murdered by the heaps. Literally mountains of bodies. That is the question to be answered.
 

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To put the German nation as all guilty is not quite clearly thought out. If this is the case all Germans are evil, not so.
The same holds true for any nation with rulers having evil intentions. Yes, even the USA. So let us not make blanket judgments on any nation because of their temporal governments, it is not nice.
 

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.


One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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I have a guess. I just guess that the Jewish Holocaust contributed to the founding of Israel.
I saw some information that there were many Jews around Hitler or Hitler had many Jewish friends. I don't know what these Jews did, but I believe the Jews had a great influence on the United States.
My guess may be a conspiracy theory, that is, the Jews led to the re establishment of the state of Israel through Hitler's massacre of the Jews.
It is just my guess.
 

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The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its
disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be
proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God
is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses'
people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles
because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were
given of His likes and dislikes.

Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O
children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land
of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. (cf. Luke 12:42-48)

This is an ancient principle illustrated not only in the Jews' history, but also
taught by Christianity.

Luke 12:47-48 . .That servant who knows his master's will and does not
get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many
blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving
punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been
given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been
entrusted with much, much more will be required.
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kaylagrl

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To put the German nation as all guilty is not quite clearly thought out. If this is the case all Germans are evil, not so.
The same holds true for any nation with rulers having evil intentions. Yes, even the USA. So let us not make blanket judgments on any nation because of their temporal governments, it is not nice.

The German people took part in the Holocaust. No, not all, some lost their lives trying to save Jews. But many took part in the Holocaust, were part of the Nazi party or knew what was happening. If you sit back and say nothing you are as bad as the one committing the crime. Many of the German people took part or knew what was happening. God brought judgement on the German people with Communism, and they suffered some of the abuse they had given to others. It's not a blanket statement, it's the truth. The Jews didn't Holocaust themselves.
 

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When believers discover the mystery of how an industrial, world-leading, educated, "Christian" populace was the main catalyst in one of the world's worst atrocities they will abandon politics all together.
 
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When believers discover the mystery of how an industrial, world-leading, educated, "Christian" populace was the main catalyst in one of the world's worst atrocities they will abandon politics all together.

Anti- Semitic "Christians" were the cause of the Holocaust. That's where the idea was spawned, Hitler simply put it into practice.
 

soberxp

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Anti- Semitic "Christians" were the cause of the Holocaust. That's where the idea was spawned, Hitler simply put it into practice.
Why is there information that Jews funded Hitler?