Will the world come to an end?

[DLM]

Many Christians and non Christians were taught that the world would come to and end at the second coming of Jesus. I can tell you right now that the bible says nothing about the world coming to and end physically. The only thing that come to an end is the old covenant world.
"One generation passes away, and another generation comes; but the earth abides forever." (Eccl. 1:4)

Is the bible wrong? It clearly says the earth will last forever.

 

[Isaskar]

Thanks for your reply
"Now this, 'Yet once more,' indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken (old covenant temple system), as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we (first century saints) are receiving a (new covenant spiritual gospel) kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear." (Heb. 12:27-28).

The Old Covenant Jewish temple system is described as the "old heavens and old earth". It will be shaken and pass away. This occurred with the destruction of the Temple in 70ad. The New Covenant Kingdom is described as the "new heavens and new earth". It is a spiritual kingdom that is within each of His born-again believers. (Luke 17:20-21).

"Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved (old covenant system), what manner of persons ought you (first century saints) to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the (soon) coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens (old covenant temple system) will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements (laws, principles, rudiments) will melt with fervent heat?" (2 Pet. 3:11-12).

Ah are you a full preterist? I have a question for you:

Why didn't the resurrection occur? The destruction of the current earth is connected to the return of Jesus which is connected to the resurrection. Even if we symbolize the earth and heaven, we cannot symbolize the resurrection because we know from the Gospels that the resurrection of Jesus was a genuine real event.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I hear you. What will the purpose be of a renewed earth, or any physical universe, once the Lord has walked all of creation through its planned process? I admit that I only focus on Spiritual Circumcision, knowing nothing about "end times." Is there a plan for the world after the Spiritual Plan has been fulfilled?

In relationship to our own Salvation, the process is like being put into a fire that removes the impurities. The Earth is full of the Sins created by Satan and continued by humanity. Thus the Earth will be purified by Fire to remove the impurities.

 

[DLM]

Ah are you a full preterist? I have a question for you:

Why didn't the resurrection occur? The destruction of the current earth is connected to the return of Jesus which is connected to the resurrection. Even if we symbolize the earth and heaven, we cannot symbolize the resurrection because we know from the Gospels that the resurrection of Jesus was a genuine real event.

This is how I see it- Jesus being the resurrection.

Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), Ephesians 2:5
We have eternal life and can never die spiritually. At death our bodies go to dust, and we go immediately to heaven:

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:25-26
Jesus is saying, "He who believes in me shall live [spiritually], even if he dies [physically], and everyone who lives [physically], and believes in Me, shall never die [spiritually]."

Two categories of believers are discussed: those who would die before the resurrection, and those who would not. For those who died under the Old Covenant, He was The Resurrection, but for those who lived into the days of the New Covenant, He is the Life.

In the old covenant, a saint that died was said to have fallen asleep. In the new covenant we will not fall asleep. The reason Paul said "we will not all sleep" is it's for the saints of the promised resurrection. When Paul wrote this, the old covenant was still in place. It had not passed away yet. When Heaven and Earth (Israel and the old covenant) finally passed away, there would be no more falling asleep.

The Resurrection was for the saints of the Old Covenant and not those after 70 AD in the New Covenant. Jesus even said we will pass over from death to life. He did not say we would be resurrected.

John 5:24-25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

Ya see, Jesus was speaking of a "now" not a future resurrection. That is why at the resurrection of Jesus, the saints who had fallen Asleep were raised to life. (Matthew 27:51-53)

Under the New Covenant, there is no death, spiritually speaking. Where there is no death, there is no need of a resurrection. We have eternal life and can never die spiritually. Therefore, we don't need a resurrection. At death, we go immediately to heaven.

 

[soberxp]

The reason Paul said "we will not all sleep" is it's for the saints who was brought to heaven by God In the Old Testament.

But for us, we should face our death or our sleep.

 

[DLM]

The reason Paul said "we will not all sleep" is it's for the saints who was brought to heaven by God In the Old Testament.

But for us, we should face our death or our sleep.

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the LAST HOUR.

 

[SophieT]

Many Christians and non Christians were taught that the world would come to and end at the second coming of Jesus. I can tell you right now that the bible says nothing about the world coming to and end physically. The only thing that come to an end is the old covenant world.
"One generation passes away, and another generation comes; but the earth abides forever." (Eccl. 1:4)

Is the bible wrong? It clearly says the earth will last forever.

the Bible is not wrong

you are wrong

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
II Peter 3:10

 

[SophieT]

Ah are you a full preterist? I have a question for you:

Why didn't the resurrection occur? The destruction of the current earth is connected to the return of Jesus which is connected to the resurrection. Even if we symbolize the earth and heaven, we cannot symbolize the resurrection because we know from the Gospels that the resurrection of Jesus was a genuine real event.

oh

are we dealing with preterism again?

if sin, never mind. just livin' in the kingdom then I suppose

 

[Isaskar]

This is how I see it- Jesus being the resurrection.

Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), Ephesians 2:5
We have eternal life and can never die spiritually. At death our bodies go to dust, and we go immediately to heaven:

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:25-26
Jesus is saying, "He who believes in me shall live [spiritually], even if he dies [physically], and everyone who lives [physically], and believes in Me, shall never die [spiritually]."

Two categories of believers are discussed: those who would die before the resurrection, and those who would not. For those who died under the Old Covenant, He was The Resurrection, but for those who lived into the days of the New Covenant, He is the Life.

In the old covenant, a saint that died was said to have fallen asleep. In the new covenant we will not fall asleep. The reason Paul said "we will not all sleep" is it's for the saints of the promised resurrection. When Paul wrote this, the old covenant was still in place. It had not passed away yet. When Heaven and Earth (Israel and the old covenant) finally passed away, there would be no more falling asleep.

The Resurrection was for the saints of the Old Covenant and not those after 70 AD in the New Covenant. Jesus even said we will pass over from death to life. He did not say we would be resurrected.

John 5:24-25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

Ya see, Jesus was speaking of a "now" not a future resurrection. That is why at the resurrection of Jesus, the saints who had fallen Asleep were raised to life. (Matthew 27:51-53)

Under the New Covenant, there is no death, spiritually speaking. Where there is no death, there is no need of a resurrection. We have eternal life and can never die spiritually. Therefore, we don't need a resurrection. At death, we go immediately to heaven.

Thank you for the answer, as scary as it is to me.

Can you answer this one as well: When will this end? Will people just forever be born and sin will never be eradicated?

I firmly believe this spiritualizing of the resurrection is extremely dangerous

 

[SophieT]

haha...I meant to say if so...not if sin...musta been a 'Freudian slip'

 

[soberxp]

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the LAST HOUR.

If it were my last hour, I would think in my last hour or moment, Can I forgive these antichrists?

 

[SophieT]

there is such a run on false prophets these days

it seems to be more popular to be false than true

must be the last days........itching ears and all that

 

[DLM]

Thank you for the answer, as scary as it is to me.

Can you answer this one as well: When will this end? Will people just forever be born and sin will never be eradicated?

I firmly believe this spiritualizing of the resurrection is extremely dangerous

Well I gave you the scriptures as to why I believe it. I am not forcing anything on you.

To answer your question I believe the end already came. I just made another Post that would explain more, waiting for approval. Looks like it takes 12 hours for approval.

 

[Runningman]

If the world is going to end, why does the Bible tells us the Earth will NEVER End?

Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation goes and a generation comes, But the earth remains forever.

See also (Genesis 8:21-22, Psalms 72:17 78:69, 89:36-37, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 119:90, 148:4-6, Isaiah 45:17, Ephesians 3:21)

The words forever in the Bible doesn’t always literally mean forever, though sometimes it does mean forever. As always, the Bible is sometimes not literal.

 

[soberxp]

there is such a run on false prophets these days

it seems to be more popular to be false than true

must be the last days........itching ears and all that

You have last hour to think about forgiveness

 

[DLM]

If it were my last hour, I would think in my last hour or moment, Can I forgive these antichrists?

THEY were in the last hour.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, "You have said it YOURSELF. But I tell you, from now on you [HIM NOT YOU] will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." It DOES NOT SAY "You have said it yourself. But I tell you, from now on YOUR SUCCESSORS will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."

 

[DLM]

The words forever in the Bible doesn’t always literally mean forever, though sometimes it does mean forever. As always, the Bible is sometimes not literal.

Very true.
The Christian Age has no end Ephesians 3:20-21
The Church will never be destroyed Daniel 7:13
The Gospel will never pass away. Matthew 24:35

 

[DLM]

there is such a run on false prophets these days

it seems to be more popular to be false than true

must be the last days........itching ears and all that

Prophets were gifted men given to the Church and appointed by God (Eph. 4:11, 1 Cor. 12:28) for the purpose of helping to lay the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20).

In Luke 13:33 There is no prophet outside Jerusalem.

The Apostles, received God's revelation (Eph. 3:5) to teach His message. See 1 Cor. 14:36-37
The foundation of the Church has already been laid. God's Word was completed at the close of the New Testament. There is no more revelation beyond what God has provided. PROPHETS HAVE PASSED AWAY (1 Corinthians 13:8-10)

Matthew 7:15-20, Matthew 24:11-13, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1, Mark 13:22
All Prophets Who Came after the New Testament are False and God's punishment is DEATH.

Is it possible for a prophet to perish in Rome?.. Or in Iraq?.. Or in America, or in any other city besides the city who kills the prophets?
Rev 18:24 In her was found the blood of PROPHETS and of saints, and of all who have been slain on the earth."

 

[soberxp]

THEY were in the last hour.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, "You have said it YOURSELF. But I tell you, from now on you [HIM NOT YOU] will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." It DOES NOT SAY "You have said it yourself. But I tell you, from now on YOUR SUCCESSORS will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Yes, I see. That's why I came to CC,to tell all of you, he has returned,Jesus is back.
No matter how shocked or disbelieved you are.
I just want to remind you that if you forgive others, the father in heaven will forgive us.

Perhaps the doctrine preached by some people is wrong. Forgiveness is much easier than argument, and the burden of forgiveness is lighter than that of dispute.


Matthew Gospel
6: Do not imitate them, for your father already knew what you needed before you prayed. "
6: Therefore, when you pray, say this: 'our father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
6: May your kingdom come. May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
6: 11 our daily bread is given to us today.
6: Forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven man's debts.
6: Do not let us meet temptation and save us from evil. For the Kingdom, power and glory are yours forever. Amen
6: 14 "if you forgive the transgressions of others, your heavenly Father will forgive your transgressions;
6: If you do not forgive the transgressions of others, your heavenly Father will not forgive your transgressions. "

 

[DavidTree]

I hear you. What will the purpose be of a renewed earth, or any physical universe, once the Lord has walked all of creation through its planned process? I admit that I only focus on Spiritual Circumcision, knowing nothing about "end times." Is there a plan for the world after the Spiritual Plan has been fulfilled?

Absolutely - God is Eternal and HE will create a New Heaven and New Earth for His Eternal Sons of Glory.

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
Isaiah 65:17

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

Revelation 21:1-5