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I think this is very interesting.
No her grocery list is not inspired 😅 she actually mentioned that on day-to-day matters she is not inspired. (there may be some extreme adventists believing otherwise lol)
She actually had to address this while being alive :
But there are times when common things must be stated, common thoughts must occupy the mind, common letters must be written and information given that has passed from one to another of the workers. Such words, such information, are not given under the special inspiration of the Spirit of God. Questions are asked at times that are not upon religious subjects at all, and these questions must be answered. 24LtMs, Ms 107, 1909, par. 11
I consider the writtings she made in order to be published to have the same level of inspiration and special Holy Spirit oversight as the Bible - Which is much more than a regular inspired writer. However, whereas God supervised her writings, he did NOT confer them authority for doctrine or reform, whereas he did so with the Bible. That's why the Bible is our only authority in these matter even as we use Ellen White writings a lot for advice and guidance.
Personally, I see Ellen White writings as helping guide, showing me when I'm going off the path in my life or in my Bible study. They can't really tell me the "solution" to my problems but it can guide me back to the Bible and to Jesus so I get the ultimate personal answers by faith, at the foot of the cross.
Yes we should teach little kids about Luther, Calvin, Wesley, etc, but most people don't, which is sad (I have seen and enjoyed, as a kid, some books with little images of them also 😁)
However, it makes sense I think to talk specially about Ellen White, specially since she had her first spiritual experiences as a kid, and her first vision as a 17yo. Also, she is very modern (compared to more ancient writers), and she had the gift of prophecy, which is more than the gifts of teaching and preaching that reformers usually have.
(on a more personal note, I think Ellen white would have been quite uncomfortable with such little images of her, though, lol, as would any sane person, I think 😅)
No her grocery list is not inspired 😅 she actually mentioned that on day-to-day matters she is not inspired. (there may be some extreme adventists believing otherwise lol)
She actually had to address this while being alive :
But there are times when common things must be stated, common thoughts must occupy the mind, common letters must be written and information given that has passed from one to another of the workers. Such words, such information, are not given under the special inspiration of the Spirit of God. Questions are asked at times that are not upon religious subjects at all, and these questions must be answered. 24LtMs, Ms 107, 1909, par. 11
I consider the writtings she made in order to be published to have the same level of inspiration and special Holy Spirit oversight as the Bible - Which is much more than a regular inspired writer. However, whereas God supervised her writings, he did NOT confer them authority for doctrine or reform, whereas he did so with the Bible. That's why the Bible is our only authority in these matter even as we use Ellen White writings a lot for advice and guidance.
Personally, I see Ellen White writings as helping guide, showing me when I'm going off the path in my life or in my Bible study. They can't really tell me the "solution" to my problems but it can guide me back to the Bible and to Jesus so I get the ultimate personal answers by faith, at the foot of the cross.
Yes we should teach little kids about Luther, Calvin, Wesley, etc, but most people don't, which is sad (I have seen and enjoyed, as a kid, some books with little images of them also 😁)
However, it makes sense I think to talk specially about Ellen White, specially since she had her first spiritual experiences as a kid, and her first vision as a 17yo. Also, she is very modern (compared to more ancient writers), and she had the gift of prophecy, which is more than the gifts of teaching and preaching that reformers usually have.
(on a more personal note, I think Ellen white would have been quite uncomfortable with such little images of her, though, lol, as would any sane person, I think 😅)
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I agree.
About health, Ellen White claimed to receive special visions in the topic, with angels showing her what a proper dress or a proper diet could be, even received some recommendations on remedies, with extensive details. I learned that early in my life, but I agree that this is very surprising. I discovered later that health can be considered a highly spiritual topic, even through the Bible. (I can talk about that if you are interested).
Preachers can tell their mind on the topic, but indeed if a tested prophet comes along and give you details it should be considered much higher than the usual "flowery book".
About health, Ellen White claimed to receive special visions in the topic, with angels showing her what a proper dress or a proper diet could be, even received some recommendations on remedies, with extensive details. I learned that early in my life, but I agree that this is very surprising. I discovered later that health can be considered a highly spiritual topic, even through the Bible. (I can talk about that if you are interested).
Preachers can tell their mind on the topic, but indeed if a tested prophet comes along and give you details it should be considered much higher than the usual "flowery book".
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Yes this is true, she is mostly known through Adventists (and most sda I know are aware of that, this is even used as a joke). I think it's quite normal for a reiglious figure, though. Even Jesus was not famous outside of his Jewish religious group, before Christians started preaching Him ... And Adventists don't even usually preach Ellen White outside of our Church, we preach Jesus 😉
I am surprised you ask.
Cyrus was not born in the times of Moses, and is dead long before the end of the world. Cyrus did not have angels he could lead in battle against other higher beings. But Michael was involved in Moses resurrection (Jude 9), he lead his angels to fight the devil (Rev 12) and he shall stand up in the time of the end, and this action will be at the start the the tribulations in the last days (Dan 12.1). He is clearly so much more than any human prince.
However, in the text you're mentioning, many consider that the prince of Persia is not Cyrus but some demon (fallen angel) that was fighting to keep Cyrus in darkness... I don't know really about that.
Cyrus was not born in the times of Moses, and is dead long before the end of the world. Cyrus did not have angels he could lead in battle against other higher beings. But Michael was involved in Moses resurrection (Jude 9), he lead his angels to fight the devil (Rev 12) and he shall stand up in the time of the end, and this action will be at the start the the tribulations in the last days (Dan 12.1). He is clearly so much more than any human prince.
However, in the text you're mentioning, many consider that the prince of Persia is not Cyrus but some demon (fallen angel) that was fighting to keep Cyrus in darkness... I don't know really about that.
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Yes, I read about the water source that was found in some apparently barren properties according to revelations she received, and some terrible fire in Chicago that happen after her visions too. But I'm no expert on those prophecies.
She was also shown that many non Adventists would give up meat for health reason, that the USA would become a world super power and that protestants in the USA would be more and more supportive of the Roman Catholic Church. (I know a little more about those prophecies tbh).
Here is some much more detailed web page about Ellen White's prophecies : https://ellenwhite.org/correspondence/186017
She was also shown that many non Adventists would give up meat for health reason, that the USA would become a world super power and that protestants in the USA would be more and more supportive of the Roman Catholic Church. (I know a little more about those prophecies tbh).
Here is some much more detailed web page about Ellen White's prophecies : https://ellenwhite.org/correspondence/186017
No? Lol. I don't know what you are getting at.
I heard of some rumors, but not quite like that.
She quotes large portions of books in a way that would most likely have been challenged today, because she does not necessarily mention the authors. But I'm no legal expert. She explains this in the introduction in a major book of hers (the great controversy).
"In some cases where a historian has so grouped together events as to afford, in brief, a comprehensive view of the subject, or has summarized details in a convenient manner, his words have been quoted; but in some instances no specific credit has been given, since the quotations are not given for the purpose of citing that writer as authority, but because his statement affords a ready and forcible presentation of the subject. In narrating the experience and views of those carrying forward the work of reform in our own time, similar use has been made of their published works." GC xi.4
I heard of some rumors, but not quite like that.
She quotes large portions of books in a way that would most likely have been challenged today, because she does not necessarily mention the authors. But I'm no legal expert. She explains this in the introduction in a major book of hers (the great controversy).
"In some cases where a historian has so grouped together events as to afford, in brief, a comprehensive view of the subject, or has summarized details in a convenient manner, his words have been quoted; but in some instances no specific credit has been given, since the quotations are not given for the purpose of citing that writer as authority, but because his statement affords a ready and forcible presentation of the subject. In narrating the experience and views of those carrying forward the work of reform in our own time, similar use has been made of their published works." GC xi.4
A friend of mine who was attending seminary at the time said the problem he had with Ellen G. White's writing was the bad theology that put people under the law.
There are many people who have given actual prophecies that come to pass whose theology is, by and large, on these issues in line with Paul's writings and the other writings of scripture.
There were also prophetically gifted people present at the assembly in Acts 15 whose dietary advice to Gentile believers was to abstain from things strangled and from blood and from the pollutions of idols. God gave mankind flesh to eat in the time of Noah.
There are many people who have given actual prophecies that come to pass whose theology is, by and large, on these issues in line with Paul's writings and the other writings of scripture.
There were also prophetically gifted people present at the assembly in Acts 15 whose dietary advice to Gentile believers was to abstain from things strangled and from blood and from the pollutions of idols. God gave mankind flesh to eat in the time of Noah.
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"One man esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it."—Romans 14:5-6
Any third grader can understand this passage; but I'm sure you already have your twisted scriptures to explain it away. I should've guessed you're a Judaizer from your "Chiasm" post.
Any third grader can understand this passage; but I'm sure you already have your twisted scriptures to explain it away. I should've guessed you're a Judaizer from your "Chiasm" post.
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"Stand fast therefore in the freedom in which Christ has made us free, and do not be loaded down again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You have become severed from Christ, you who are justified by law; you have fallen from grace."—Galatians 5:1-4
You who think you can earn points with God by keeping one part of the Law are obligated to keep the whole thing. Good luck with that.
You who think you can earn points with God by keeping one part of the Law are obligated to keep the whole thing. Good luck with that.
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Sda say angel teach to vegetarian whil Jesus feed 5000 with 5 fish, why angel teach something that not Jesus teach?
Matt 14
19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.
Matt 14
19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.
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So, when Paul told the Jews circumcision was unnecessary, they lost their minds and almost had a riot...but we're supposed to believe everyone was "totally cool" with Paul, as you claim, saying to everyone that one of God's own commandments about the Sabbath that goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden which He wrote with His own finger in stone was abolished?
He's obviously talking about the ceremonial feast days of the Law of Moses, along with "one man eateth herbs..."
Ceremonial. Nothing to do with the Ten Commandment Sabbath, which Hebrews 4:9 KJV says is our DUTY to keep.
He's obviously talking about the ceremonial feast days of the Law of Moses, along with "one man eateth herbs..."
Ceremonial. Nothing to do with the Ten Commandment Sabbath, which Hebrews 4:9 KJV says is our DUTY to keep.
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The law Paul spoke about were those written by the finger of God on Stone i.e. the 10 Commandments.
There was a great council in Jerusalem with all the apostles and prophets and elders and they agreed with the Holy Spirit that obedience to Moses [a yoke which neither we or the fathers were able to bear] was not required of the Gentiles.
The Jews were quite able to bear the yoke of circumcision and do to this day.
James sent a letter by the hand of Paul and Barnabas exonerating the Gentiles from having to obey the law of Moses.
There was a great council in Jerusalem with all the apostles and prophets and elders and they agreed with the Holy Spirit that obedience to Moses [a yoke which neither we or the fathers were able to bear] was not required of the Gentiles.
The Jews were quite able to bear the yoke of circumcision and do to this day.
James sent a letter by the hand of Paul and Barnabas exonerating the Gentiles from having to obey the law of Moses.
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The Sabbath was made holy before sin entered, Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
It doesn't become unsanctified and unblessed anywhere in the bible.
God said remember the Sabbath because we were forgetting to keep it holy. Some say this only applies to Israel but it is clear that it has not changed.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Rest = G4520, sabbatismos, From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatism”).
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
It doesn't become unsanctified and unblessed anywhere in the bible.
God said remember the Sabbath because we were forgetting to keep it holy. Some say this only applies to Israel but it is clear that it has not changed.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Rest = G4520, sabbatismos, From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatism”).
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
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Then why did Paul say we ought to not steal?
Why did he say we ought to obey our parents according to the "first commandment with promise"?
Why did he say the law was good in that it showed him that "lust" violated "thou shalt not covet"?
Why did he say the law was "holy, just, and good"?
Why did he uphold every single one of the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9 KJV?
Why does he sweep away the Mosaic Law, saying circumcision is optional, keeping feast days is optional, keeping feast day menus is optional, but always upheld the Ten Commandments, as did all the other NT writers?
Brother, until we learn the Biblical distinction between the Mosaic Law written by him and the Moral Law God wrote with His finger in stone signifying the eternal nature of it, we'll continue to confuse the issue and take verses intended to condemn legalism as condemnation of "reasonable service" obedience to the Ten Commandments.
Why did he say we ought to obey our parents according to the "first commandment with promise"?
Why did he say the law was good in that it showed him that "lust" violated "thou shalt not covet"?
Why did he say the law was "holy, just, and good"?
Why did he uphold every single one of the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9 KJV?
Why does he sweep away the Mosaic Law, saying circumcision is optional, keeping feast days is optional, keeping feast day menus is optional, but always upheld the Ten Commandments, as did all the other NT writers?
Brother, until we learn the Biblical distinction between the Mosaic Law written by him and the Moral Law God wrote with His finger in stone signifying the eternal nature of it, we'll continue to confuse the issue and take verses intended to condemn legalism as condemnation of "reasonable service" obedience to the Ten Commandments.
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