How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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i think he is " mid trib rapture", IOW the rapture takes place 3.5 yrs into the gt.
He is MAINLY " anti pretrib" firstly, postrib / prewrath secondly.
IOW His main thrust is simply to defy pretrib verses.
According to him , us pretribbers can not tell the truth and sit in satans lap gobbling down every word from hell.
I had to go "ignore" on him as he is not willing to civilly debate.
He is MAINLY " anti pretrib" firstly, postrib / prewrath secondly.
IOW His main thrust is simply to defy pretrib verses.
According to him , us pretribbers can not tell the truth and sit in satans lap gobbling down every word from hell.
I had to go "ignore" on him as he is not willing to civilly debate.
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As a student of the Bible, how would prove that statement ( A.) below is false???
A.) Pre-trib rapture is a lie for it never came out of the Mouth of God = from Genesis to Revelation it never was spoken by God.
Statement B is a direct pronouncement from the Mouth of God of Post-Trib rapture.
B.) Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’
30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
A.) Pre-trib rapture is a lie for it never came out of the Mouth of God = from Genesis to Revelation it never was spoken by God.
Statement B is a direct pronouncement from the Mouth of God of Post-Trib rapture.
B.) Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’
30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
There is a pre-trib and a mid-trib view because the post-trib view does not fulfil scripture!
The post-trib view claims the unsaved will enter into the millennium when the scripture plainly shows only the born-again will enter.
Are you afraid to give us your post-trib view David, from beginning to end?
Everything in scripture is not black and white as you are suggesting.
The post-trib view claims the unsaved will enter into the millennium when the scripture plainly shows only the born-again will enter.
Are you afraid to give us your post-trib view David, from beginning to end?
Everything in scripture is not black and white as you are suggesting.
A.) Who are elect of Matt 24:31?
Answer: John 1:10-13 , John 14:5-6 , 1 Peter 1:1-2
The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Answer: John 1:10-13 , John 14:5-6 , 1 Peter 1:1-2
The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
That makes sense since he approaches the scripture literally. He could be one of the many who believe in the mid-trib.
That is stating that the first 3.5 years of the tribulation is the wrath of Satan and the latter 3.5 years is the wrath of God, the worst time this world has ever seen of ever will see.
This would mean the Church goes through the wrath of Satan but not the wrath of God.
That is stating that the first 3.5 years of the tribulation is the wrath of Satan and the latter 3.5 years is the wrath of God, the worst time this world has ever seen of ever will see.
This would mean the Church goes through the wrath of Satan but not the wrath of God.
Amazing...you think the Antichrist will come out of Islam, though John specifically says of Antichrist that they "went out from us", the church. Also, Paul calls the "Man of Sin", which everyone almost unanimously agrees is the infamous Antichrist, the "son of perdition" which, incidentally, is a reference to only one other person in Scripture - Judas - who did what? You guessed it...started out as an insider but eventually went out from among them in apostasy, right or wrong?
Another person drinking the Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurist koolaid.
Another person drinking the Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurist koolaid.
Concerning Israel of the flesh which is lost in sin and eternal damnation God says:
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” - John ch8
You need to heed these words of Christ.
AND these words as well: Matthew ch23
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” - John ch8
You need to heed these words of Christ.
AND these words as well: Matthew ch23
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’
You need to read some of the many promises of God to Israel.
Isaiah 11:11-12
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Does the "gathering from the four corners of the earth" ring a bell?
Isaiah 11:11-12
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Does the "gathering from the four corners of the earth" ring a bell?
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Friend, what you call "clear as day" is actually an impenetrable fog of twisted Scripture.
I would argue "did God really say?" is more applicable to how you roll. The serpent offered no evidence against God's Word, he just twisted it - need I remind you of the following?:
1) You said Jesus' Soul and Spirit went to the same place.
2) I showed you the Spirit and Soul aren't the same because His Spirit went UP (Luke 23:46 KJV), but His Soul went DOWN (Acts 2:27 KJV).
3) I then further proved this by Hebrews 4:12 KJV which says the Soul and the Spirit can be divided one from the other as assuredly as bone marrow can be divided from a joint.
It's by your inability to refute these truths and your stubborn refusal to give up your errors that makes you so like him.
I would argue "did God really say?" is more applicable to how you roll. The serpent offered no evidence against God's Word, he just twisted it - need I remind you of the following?:
1) You said Jesus' Soul and Spirit went to the same place.
2) I showed you the Spirit and Soul aren't the same because His Spirit went UP (Luke 23:46 KJV), but His Soul went DOWN (Acts 2:27 KJV).
3) I then further proved this by Hebrews 4:12 KJV which says the Soul and the Spirit can be divided one from the other as assuredly as bone marrow can be divided from a joint.
It's by your inability to refute these truths and your stubborn refusal to give up your errors that makes you so like him.
"""....the Bible testifies Jesus' Spirit went UP (Luke 23:46 KJV) to the Father's hands, but His Soul went DOWN (Acts 2:27...."""
There is nothing in vs 46 indicating Jesus spirit went to heaven at the crucifixion.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
There is nothing in vs 46 indicating Jesus spirit went to heaven at the crucifixion.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
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