Seeing Antichrist

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randyk

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For those of you who think that as Christians you won't have to see the Antichrist, think again. What you're witnessing right now is the beginning of what I think is the beginning of the end of European Civilization as we knew it. The Antichrist spirit has been taking over, and it has been gathering steam. God obviously isn't happy with it, but has predicted it will happen.

Since Israel's rebirth as a state in 1948 there has been a constant wish in the United Nations to undo their charter with Israel. Many resolutions have been passed in the U.N. favoring Muslim and Arab nations against Israel because the ratio, as well as the oil economy, obviously favors support of the former.

But one day, according to the Prophet Zechariah, the nations will have to go up to Jerusalem to observe the Feast of Tabernacles every year. That is a recognition that all of the trouble Israel has gone through in history is merely a prelude to their eternal inheritance of the land of Israel. I believe this is what God has said (Zechariah 14), and if so, we'll see it.

But in the meantime, there will be this tremendous opposition to Christian morality, Christian truth, and the existence of the Jewish People in the land of Israel. If you have a Christian conscience, just keep praying and living like there's no tomorrow.
The rewards will be endless!
 

Jackson123

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Yep, some of us may see the antichrist leading one world government
 

JTB

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And many who were not prepared for it, thinking they would be whisked away before hand, will then turn from Him.

So sad.
 

oyster67

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There is a difference between the spirit of anti-Christ and the person of Antichrist.
 

Blain

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The spirit of the antichrist and the actual antichrist is not the same thing and trust me as far as the spirit of the antichrist goes we have yet to even begin to see it because it is going to be on a whole other level. The antichrist himself is not yet on the scene but things are being set up for his appearance

Now as far as whether or not we will see him I suppose that is just a difference of opinion I personally don't think we will but you see my eyes are not on the antichrist I am paying more attention to Israel and the prophesied psalm 83 war. Israel came out yesterday saying that there is a red line that cannot be crossed Iran is apparently weeks away from having enough supplies to make a nuclear bomb I am waiting to see if this is going to continue as it is going or if it will be interupted or delayed somehow because if it continues on it's course then I can easily see war happening.
Though to be honest bible prophecy seems to be being set up faster than normal has anyone seen the statues from the un? it is literally statues of the beasts spoken of in revelation, now I don't think this is the actual beast themselves but it is as if we are being given a hint of a certain something on the horizon
 

GRACE_ambassador

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op: seeing the man of sin, the son of Perdition?
Precious friends, in a Scriptural Word = NO! "Yes" would Contradict:

A) The Body Of Christ is exhorted to be looking, watching, And waiting
For CHRIST! NOT
antichristian man of sin, son of Perdition.
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;
1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3;
1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13)


B) Seeing the man of sin, son of Perdition First, Negates, For
The Body Of CHRIST, ALL The above, and Also
Contradicts:

Day Of CHRIST (LIGHT!) Vs The Day of The LORD (Darkness!)

C) Also Contradicts ALL Of The Following Scriptures!:

God’s PRE - (Darkness) TOJT Great GRACE Departure (Into HIS LIGHT)!:

Part I

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)
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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming
, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

to be continued...
 

GRACE_ambassador

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God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

Part II

God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven
, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?
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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation
, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification
When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Blessed, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑
 

Rondonmon

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The spirit of the antichrist and the actual antichrist is not the same thing and trust me as far as the spirit of the antichrist goes we have yet to even begin to see it because it is going to be on a whole other level. The antichrist himself is not yet on the scene but things are being set up for his appearance
Correct, yet even those who do understand this I don't think fully grasp what the anti-Christ spirit means. Why call it a "Spirit"? Even Demons who are disembodied have names aka Lucifer, the Son Jesus has a name, the Holy Spirit is described as Holy, the anti-Christ Spirit simply means against God, so, God is just and Holy, so the antithesis of God in all things would be the anti-Christ spirit, which simply means anti-God because Jesus is God. So lets list them all

God is Holy, truthful, kind, gentle, forgiving, longsuffering, peaceful, joyous, hopeful, merciful, understanding, loving, meek, honest, etc. etc. etc.

Meanwhile the anti-Christ/anti-God spirit is Unholy, a liar, hateful, spiteful, vengeful, arrogant, a thief, chaotic, sad, in despair continually, unmerciful, hateful, and a murderer, etc. etc. etc.

God is a Spirit, the anti-Christ/anti-God Spirit is also eternal, but until Lucifer, raised himself up in pride against God no one had ever acted upon this ant-God spirit, so, the anti-Christ spirit has always been, and always will be, because Satan and all humans who follow him are eternal beings made in God's image, they will be in hell forever.

Anti-Christ doesn't mean IN PLACE OF. Someone stretched the truth there to fit an agenda. Not saying you stated or inferred that, but a lot of people try to do that to say the Jews accept this Anti-Christ MAN who comes, they don't.

Now as far as whether or not we will see him I suppose that is just a difference of opinion I personally don't think we will but you see my eyes are not on the antichrist I am paying more attention to Israel and the prophesied psalm 83 war.
The Psalm 83 War has come and gone brother, it was spread out over 60-65 years from 1948-2010ish maybe even all the way to 2015ish, go reread the players, everyone of those Nations are seen as all the foes Israel had in all of the wars we saw from 1948-2010, I can list them: NOTICE, the 2012 and 2014 events are not called Wars, they are more like unto skirmishes than wars. Thus my reference points are 1948-2010ish !!!

1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949)
Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s)
Suez Crisis (October 1956)
Six-Day War (June 1967)
War of Attrition (1967–1970)
Yom Kippur War (October 1973)
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982)
1982 Lebanon War (1982)
South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)
First Intifada (1987–1993)
Second Intifada (2000–2005)
2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006)
Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009)
2012 Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012)
2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014)

Now lets look at who they are in Psalm 83

Psalm 81:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes. 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Everyone of these are in a Nation that has an IMMEDIATE COMMON BORDER with Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. See Dr. Reagans Youtube video at the 13:36 mark below: ( I don't think he understands its a PAST EVENT at all, he doesn't understand it happened from 1948 on, he is looking to a FUTURE EVENT, but I can use his video to show who they are much easier. Next he goes into the Gog and Magog Wats at the 15:30 mark his conclusions are not correct however, IMHO. )


NOTICE at the 15:56 mark we see all of the Nations in league with Gog/Magog, NOT ONE of them has a common border with Israel, so his assumption that this "FUTURE" Psalm 83 defeat of these nations make them go get big boy Russia who wants their oil, is just not correct. What actually happens is Iran and its Nuclear quest TURNED these Nations, and Saudi Arabia/other gulf nations away from their continual wars with Israel, and via Trump and his Abraham Accords turned this Psalm 83 continual war into a league of peoples who now have a common interest, because of a common threat (Iran), thus not one nation in the Gog & Magog War has a common border with Israel, thus Israel lives in UNWALLED VILLIAGES so to speak, or has peace on every side via her IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.

Those who come against Israel are named in Ezekiel, 38-39 Magog, Rosh, Gomer, Meshech, Persia, Put, Togarmah, Tubal, Cush.

So, the War of Gog AND Magog via Russia and its Muslim Allies, Ethiopia & Sudan = Cush, Persia = Iran, Put = Libya and Turkey. So Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Russia as the ring leader.

So, what Dr. Reagan doesn't get IMHO, is that the Abraham Accords are only brought to pass because Iran became a major threat to the region, this made Saudi Arabia and the other oil rich nations put pressure on other nations in the region to come to a sudden peace with Israel, that's why many were willing to throw the FAKE Palestinian rage overboard and accept Trumps proposals, this is the main reason why Trump was placed in the Presidency by God Almighty. The Abraham Accords never come to pass via any other Dem President, NOR Republican Presidency, they were all too scared to even move the Embassy to Jerusalem once they got in, the Deep State tells them what to do!!

So, without Trump, we would never have gotten a Peace between Israel and he IMMEDIATE Neighbors.

SO....How does all this go down? Russian, Turkey and Iran all come against Israel and God destroys them on the Holy Mount, I think everyone else (world) will think Israel used some kind of Secret Weapon etc. etc. or some Neutron Bomb, or Nuke, and thus the E.U. tells Israel, we will now allow you to become an E.U. Member, but you have to give up all of your weapons, and we will be your protector, just like the USA became Hawaii's protector, but you have to give up all of your Nukes etc. etc. any weapons you have. Thus I hearken back to the European Neighborhood Policy Agreements between the E.U and ALL of the Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, not just Israel, they currently have 7 year agreements in place as we speak with Israel, Egypt, Jordan Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, and Libya (Israel and THE MANY) so, everything is already in place, the Anti-Christ and company will put all this into action as soon as the Rapture happens, then after 3.5 years of FAKE PEACE, we get God's Judgment falling (Asteroid Impact), which takes out 1/3 of the world, on top of the fact that Russia, Turkey and Iran's Armies were all destroyed, and this E.U. Anti-Christ thus has his path ready made for him, as soon as the Asteroid strikes half way through the 70th week, he goes forth conquering.

I agree, Israel striking Iran gives Russia the excuse to go forth, but no nation with a Common Border to Israel is in the War, thus the Abraham Accords were a MUST to fulfil Prophecy.
 

Blain

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Correct, yet even those who do understand this I don't think fully grasp what the anti-Christ spirit means. Why call it a "Spirit"? Even Demons who are disembodied have names aka Lucifer, the Son Jesus has a name, the Holy Spirit is described as Holy, the anti-Christ Spirit simply means against God, so, God is just and Holy, so the antithesis of God in all things would be the anti-Christ spirit, which simply means anti-God because Jesus is God. So lets list them all

God is Holy, truthful, kind, gentle, forgiving, longsuffering, peaceful, joyous, hopeful, merciful, understanding, loving, meek, honest, etc. etc. etc.

Meanwhile the anti-Christ/anti-God spirit is Unholy, a liar, hateful, spiteful, vengeful, arrogant, a thief, chaotic, sad, in despair continually, unmerciful, hateful, and a murderer, etc. etc. etc.

God is a Spirit, the anti-Christ/anti-God Spirit is also eternal, but until Lucifer, raised himself up in pride against God no one had ever acted upon this ant-God spirit, so, the anti-Christ spirit has always been, and always will be, because Satan and all humans who follow him are eternal beings made in God's image, they will be in hell forever.

Anti-Christ doesn't mean IN PLACE OF. Someone stretched the truth there to fit an agenda. Not saying you stated or inferred that, but a lot of people try to do that to say the Jews accept this Anti-Christ MAN who comes, they don't.



The Psalm 83 War has come and gone brother, it was spread out over 60-65 years from 1948-2010ish maybe even all the way to 2015ish, go reread the players, everyone of those Nations are seen as all the foes Israel had in all of the wars we saw from 1948-2010, I can list them: NOTICE, the 2012 and 2014 events are not called Wars, they are more like unto skirmishes than wars. Thus my reference points are 1948-2010ish !!!

1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949)
Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s)
Suez Crisis (October 1956)
Six-Day War (June 1967)
War of Attrition (1967–1970)
Yom Kippur War (October 1973)
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982)
1982 Lebanon War (1982)
South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)
First Intifada (1987–1993)
Second Intifada (2000–2005)
2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006)
Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009)
2012 Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012)
2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014)

Now lets look at who they are in Psalm 83

Psalm 81:1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes. 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Everyone of these are in a Nation that has an IMMEDIATE COMMON BORDER with Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. See Dr. Reagans Youtube video at the 13:36 mark below: ( I don't think he understands its a PAST EVENT at all, he doesn't understand it happened from 1948 on, he is looking to a FUTURE EVENT, but I can use his video to show who they are much easier. Next he goes into the Gog and Magog Wats at the 15:30 mark his conclusions are not correct however, IMHO. )


NOTICE at the 15:56 mark we see all of the Nations in league with Gog/Magog, NOT ONE of them has a common border with Israel, so his assumption that this "FUTURE" Psalm 83 defeat of these nations make them go get big boy Russia who wants their oil, is just not correct. What actually happens is Iran and its Nuclear quest TURNED these Nations, and Saudi Arabia/other gulf nations away from their continual wars with Israel, and via Trump and his Abraham Accords turned this Psalm 83 continual war into a league of peoples who now have a common interest, because of a common threat (Iran), thus not one nation in the Gog & Magog War has a common border with Israel, thus Israel lives in UNWALLED VILLIAGES so to speak, or has peace on every side via her IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.

Those who come against Israel are named in Ezekiel, 38-39 Magog, Rosh, Gomer, Meshech, Persia, Put, Togarmah, Tubal, Cush.

So, the War of Gog AND Magog via Russia and its Muslim Allies, Ethiopia & Sudan = Cush, Persia = Iran, Put = Libya and Turkey. So Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Russia as the ring leader.

So, what Dr. Reagan doesn't get IMHO, is that the Abraham Accords are only brought to pass because Iran became a major threat to the region, this made Saudi Arabia and the other oil rich nations put pressure on other nations in the region to come to a sudden peace with Israel, that's why many were willing to throw the FAKE Palestinian rage overboard and accept Trumps proposals, this is the main reason why Trump was placed in the Presidency by God Almighty. The Abraham Accords never come to pass via any other Dem President, NOR Republican Presidency, they were all too scared to even move the Embassy to Jerusalem once they got in, the Deep State tells them what to do!!

So, without Trump, we would never have gotten a Peace between Israel and he IMMEDIATE Neighbors.

SO....How does all this go down? Russian, Turkey and Iran all come against Israel and God destroys them on the Holy Mount, I think everyone else (world) will think Israel used some kind of Secret Weapon etc. etc. or some Neutron Bomb, or Nuke, and thus the E.U. tells Israel, we will now allow you to become an E.U. Member, but you have to give up all of your weapons, and we will be your protector, just like the USA became Hawaii's protector, but you have to give up all of your Nukes etc. etc. any weapons you have. Thus I hearken back to the European Neighborhood Policy Agreements between the E.U and ALL of the Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, not just Israel, they currently have 7 year agreements in place as we speak with Israel, Egypt, Jordan Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, and Libya (Israel and THE MANY) so, everything is already in place, the Anti-Christ and company will put all this into action as soon as the Rapture happens, then after 3.5 years of FAKE PEACE, we get God's Judgment falling (Asteroid Impact), which takes out 1/3 of the world, on top of the fact that Russia, Turkey and Iran's Armies were all destroyed, and this E.U. Anti-Christ thus has his path ready made for him, as soon as the Asteroid strikes half way through the 70th week, he goes forth conquering.

I agree, Israel striking Iran gives Russia the excuse to go forth, but no nation with a Common Border to Israel is in the War, thus the Abraham Accords were a MUST to fulfil Prophecy.
As far as whether the psalm 83 war happened already I believe it was foreshadowed by the events you speak of but the psalm 83 war doesn't appear to be just any war and it isn't concluded by normal means God himself intervenes and the world knows it was the God of jacob who ended it. Now the abraham accords where also a foreshadow as bible prophecy often does it is the foreshadow of the covenant made with many.

This is usually how bible prophecy works it has many events that appear similar but are merely foreshadows of what is to come now I could be wrong and perhaps that psalm 83 war did happen but war is on the horizon and it is one of biblical significance
 

Jackson123

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Psalm 83

5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you—
6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.[b]
9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
10 who perished at Endor
and became like dung on the ground.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
12 who said, “Let us take possession
of the pasturelands of God.”

David on YouTube say attack from these nation not happen yet and will be one of the end time war
 

Rondonmon

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As far as whether the psalm 83 war happened already I believe it was foreshadowed by the events you speak of but the psalm 83 war doesn't appear to be just any war and it isn't concluded by normal means God himself intervenes and the world knows it was the God of jacob who ended it. Now the abraham accords where also a foreshadow as bible prophecy often does it is the foreshadow of the covenant made with many.

This is usually how bible prophecy works it has many events that appear similar but are merely foreshadows of what is to come now I could be wrong and perhaps that psalm 83 war did happen but war is on the horizon and it is one of biblical significance
David on YouTube say attack from these nation not happen yet and will be one of the end time war
I can answer both of these at once. NOTICE , at 14:19 mark Dr David Reagan says in the second half of Psalm 83 it is a Prayer unto God for victory, but he says the outcome "IS NEVER STATED", which makes sense of the mostly stalemate those nations and Israel had over 60-65 years, then they reach peace agreements. And thus Israel lives in UNWALLED VILIAGES at the time of the Gog and Magog Wars, thus when Russia, Turkey and Iran (plus a few token African nations) comes after Israel, none of these other nations aide them, they are at peace with Israel, else how can you have a Gog and Magog War where no nation is mentioned as fighting Israel who has a common border with Israel? Thus, maybe instead of her being surrounded, they have to come against Jerusalem in one direction, and thus they get wiped out. The HOWS and EXACTLY WHENS I can't answer, but the WHO THE PLAYERS are we know, that gives us our biggest hints. I think this video is probably over 10 years old, so in hindsight, its much easier for me to figure out now with far more info.

God doesn't intervene in the Psalm 83 Wars, you are thinking of the Gog and Magog Wars, He indeed intervenes in that War, but the Psalm 83 War is different with DIFFERENT PLAYERS.
 
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"They will be given over to seducing spirits..."
"They will believe that they do the lord's work"..."

I know the time is near because we Christians are no longer a "Spirit of hindrance". The world cries mercy for Barabbas and craves the wisdom of Nimrod! The world has openly defiled itself and made itself an enemy of righteousness in favor of self serving lust and greed!

Even so Lord God, thy kingdom come, thy will be done!
 

Blain

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I can answer both of these at once. NOTICE , at 14:19 mark Dr David Reagan says in the second half of Psalm 83 it is a Prayer unto God for victory, but he says the outcome "IS NEVER STATED", which makes sense of the mostly stalemate those nations and Israel had over 60-65 years, then they reach peace agreements. And thus Israel lives in UNWALLED VILIAGES at the time of the Gog and Magog Wars, thus when Russia, Turkey and Iran (plus a few token African nations) comes after Israel, none of these other nations aide them, they are at peace with Israel, else how can you have a Gog and Magog War where no nation is mentioned as fighting Israel who has a common border with Israel? Thus, maybe instead of her being surrounded, they have to come against Jerusalem in one direction, and thus they get wiped out. The HOWS and EXACTLY WHENS I can't answer, but the WHO THE PLAYERS are we know, that gives us our biggest hints. I think this video is probably over 10 years old, so in hindsight, its much easier for me to figure out now with far more info.

God doesn't intervene in the Psalm 83 Wars, you are thinking of the Gog and Magog Wars, He indeed intervenes in that War, but the Psalm 83 War is different with DIFFERENT PLAYERS.
Ah yes that was the one I was speaking of that is my bad
 

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For those of you who think that as Christians you won't have to see the Antichrist, think again.
Christians will NOT see the Antichrist. Here are the reasons why the Church (the Body of Christ) will be absent when the Antichrist is allowed to take full control:

1. The Holy Spirit is the divine Restrainer of the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition. Therefore He will be "taken out of the way" before the Antichrist takes control: And now ye know what withholdeth* [restrains] that he [the Antichrist] might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He [the Holy Spirit] who now letteth* [restrains] will let, [restrain] until He [the Holy Spirit] be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

*Strong's Concordance
katechó: to hold fast, hold back
Original Word: κατέχω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katechó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ekh'-o)
Definition: to hold fast, hold back
Usage: (a) I hold fast, bind, arrest, (b) I take possession of, lay hold of, (c) I hold back, detain, restrain, (d) I hold a ship, keep its head.


2. The Holy Spirit indwells every saint (child of God). So when He is "taken out of the way" (returns to Heaven) all the saints will also be taken to Heaven at the Pre-Tribulation Resurrection/Rapture. Thus we have a type of the Church (the church at Philadelphia) being told that they will be absent when the "hour of temptation" or testing comes upon the earth: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Rev 3:10)

3. You will not find the word "church" or "churches" in Revelation 11-13 (the reign of the Antichrist). That is a rather significant omission, since the Church is absent from the earth when the events of the 6th and 7th seal take place. So why is the Church absent? Because this is a time of divine wrath against the unbelieving and the ungodly. Just as Noah and his family were safe in the Ark (a type of Christ) during the Flood, Christians will be safely in Heaven when the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth.
 

Rondonmon

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Ah yes that was the one I was speaking of that is my bad
Yes, now you see why I have the two laid out in just so and so a manner? It all adds up because of WHO THE PLAYERS are in each situation.
 

Jackson123

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3. You will not find the word "church" or "churches" in Revelation 11-13 (the reign of the Antichrist). That is a rather significant omission, since the Church is absent from the earth when the events of the 6th and 7th seal take place. So why is the Church absent? Because this is a time of divine wrath against the unbelieving and the ungodly. Just as Noah and his family were safe in the Ark (a type of Christ) during the Flood, Christians will be safely in Heaven when the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth.

Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

It say the antichrist make a war with saint/church so the church still on earth other wise how he make a war if no saint or church anymore on earth
 

Nehemiah6

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Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. It say the antichrist make a war with saint/church so the church still on earth other wise how he make a war if no saint or church anymore on earth
The book of Daniel also speaks about these, and Daniel was only told about his people ... the Jews, not the Church: I beheld, and the same horn [the Little Horn, the Antichrist] made war with the saints, and prevailed against them... And his [the Antichrist's] power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people [the believing Jewish remnant]... And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
(Dan 7:21; 8:24; 11:33)

These are the Tribulation saints -- primarily Jews who are saved by the preaching of Moses and Elijah during the Tribulation (Rev 11).
 

Jackson123

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The book of Daniel also speaks about these, and Daniel was only told about his people ... the Jews, not the Church: I beheld, and the same horn [the Little Horn, the Antichrist] made war with the saints, and prevailed against them... And his [the Antichrist's] power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people [the believing Jewish remnant]... And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
(Dan 7:21; 8:24; 11:33)

These are the Tribulation saints -- primarily Jews who are saved by the preaching of Moses and Elijah during the Tribulation (Rev 11).

Roman 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

Nehemiah6

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Roman 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
This is a totally different topic. Paul is saying that it is heart circumcision that makes a real Jew. But he also told Christians in Galatia that physical circumcision would be of no value to Christians. This has nothing to do with the conversion of Jews during the Tribulation.

We know that Elijah must come before the great and terrible day of the LORD. But he will come during the reign of the Antichrist, and evidently Moses will be with him on earth (Rev 11). After all those are the two prophets who met with Christ at His transfiguration.

For whose sake will Elijah come? For the sake of unconverted Jews: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. (Malachi 4:5,6)