I have laid the foundation and ANOTHER BUILDETH THEREON
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I was 70 years old before I learned to build in knowledge of the kingdom of God. Before that I used the church to learn, that church believed in their doctrines. We have to believe only in the truth of the Lord.
The organized church says they believe in scripture, but they have trouble with the OT and the way Christ fulfilled it. They sometimes think that takes away that they can rely on every word of the OT as being truth from the Lord. It does not, every word in the OT is truth, and because it gives laws in stone instead of in our hearts as it was after Christ and that changes the appearance of the law, it does not change the spirit of the law.
We need the word to build on, and we must accept and know ALL the word to build. The roots movement is built on accepting the truth of the OT while tossing out the fleshly commandments of that time. They are treated as Christ was treated by the Pharisees.
The organized church says they believe in scripture, but they have trouble with the OT and the way Christ fulfilled it. They sometimes think that takes away that they can rely on every word of the OT as being truth from the Lord. It does not, every word in the OT is truth, and because it gives laws in stone instead of in our hearts as it was after Christ and that changes the appearance of the law, it does not change the spirit of the law.
We need the word to build on, and we must accept and know ALL the word to build. The roots movement is built on accepting the truth of the OT while tossing out the fleshly commandments of that time. They are treated as Christ was treated by the Pharisees.
Personally I don't understand the lack of OT teaching. How do you skip the school master? That's the foundation of the foundation.
I believe all the words are inspired by God and were perfect before the synagogue of Satan got close to them (Passover being translated easter? no accident).
The mystery of iniquity doeth already work and the one thing Satan knows "get them before anyone else can" because learning is easy while UNLEARNING is almost impossible as the flesh doesn't want to let go. Where would you attack? No where better than those who will be teaching in the churches, right?
Would you agree that the 'laws' that were supposedly done away with ACTUALLY got harder to follow? It used to be you had to be PHYSICALLY perfect under the law. NOW not only do we need to be physically perfect but we are also RESPONSIBLE for what we think. That isn't easier that is HARDER. True, we do have the Holy Spirit that makes it easier again but judgment will be more intense. Every idle word (and thought)
BEFORE ANYONE STARTS JUMPING UP AND DOWN, DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT, AS UNDER GRACE.
I believe all the words are inspired by God and were perfect before the synagogue of Satan got close to them (Passover being translated easter? no accident).
The mystery of iniquity doeth already work and the one thing Satan knows "get them before anyone else can" because learning is easy while UNLEARNING is almost impossible as the flesh doesn't want to let go. Where would you attack? No where better than those who will be teaching in the churches, right?
Would you agree that the 'laws' that were supposedly done away with ACTUALLY got harder to follow? It used to be you had to be PHYSICALLY perfect under the law. NOW not only do we need to be physically perfect but we are also RESPONSIBLE for what we think. That isn't easier that is HARDER. True, we do have the Holy Spirit that makes it easier again but judgment will be more intense. Every idle word (and thought)
BEFORE ANYONE STARTS JUMPING UP AND DOWN, DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT, AS UNDER GRACE.
Precious friend, yes, that would be ideal, but seems more likely that Most
will Not "walk together" Until HE "catches us Up" in Great GRACE Departure,
and Judges us in Heaven. I have for years been praying for and "planting the
seeds" for our unity, but VERY FEW even acknowledge these, or even attempt
to discuss them; it is Much Easier to just say "you are WRONG, and call names"...
...ignoring HIS (The LORD's) "Leading.":
Bible "study" Rules (HIS Leading?)
HIS "Way of HOW TO study"? (2 Timothy 2:15)?:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For ALL “to SEE,” today?)
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God’s Simple Will!
will Not "walk together" Until HE "catches us Up" in Great GRACE Departure,
and Judges us in Heaven. I have for years been praying for and "planting the
seeds" for our unity, but VERY FEW even acknowledge these, or even attempt
to discuss them; it is Much Easier to just say "you are WRONG, and call names"...
...ignoring HIS (The LORD's) "Leading.":
Bible "study" Rules (HIS Leading?)
HIS "Way of HOW TO study"? (2 Timothy 2:15)?:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For ALL “to SEE,” today?)
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God’s Simple Will!
To answer your question, we need to remember two things:
1. God's written Word is already settled and it cannot be changed.
2. When the Bible says that "the books are opened", the context is the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20). Those books contain the records of the deeds (and words) of the ones who are NOT written in the Book of Life. This has nothing to do with our present situation.
3. Individual Christians must grow and mature within local Bible-believing churches. Whether or not it is happening as it should is questionable, because the majority of churches are not following the NT pattern.
1. God's written Word is already settled and it cannot be changed.
2. When the Bible says that "the books are opened", the context is the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20). Those books contain the records of the deeds (and words) of the ones who are NOT written in the Book of Life. This has nothing to do with our present situation.
3. Individual Christians must grow and mature within local Bible-believing churches. Whether or not it is happening as it should is questionable, because the majority of churches are not following the NT pattern.
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"A considerable number of apocryphal and pseudepigraphic texts are preserved at Qumran, where original Hebrew and Aramaic versions of these Jewish compositions of the Second Temple period were first encountered. These writings, which are not included in the canonical Jewish scriptures, were preserved by different Christian churches, and were transmitted in Greek, Ethiopic, Syriac, Armenian, and other translations."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-the-dead-sea-scrolls
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-the-dead-sea-scrolls
So if I am understanding correctly these writings are not to be treated as the word of God then? I have only heard of them I have never read them myself and don't know if it is even possible to read them with my eyes as damaged as they are but I will admit I am curious and if given the chance would read them and decide for myself
I have to say I totally disagree with this.
Heresy that clearly teaches things not in scripture can easily be seen as heresy. But heresy that cleverly uses "new revelation" on old words is more readily accepted. We don't need "new revelation." We need to teach the old things under the power of the Spirit and without apology.
Every church out there in the evangelical industrial complex has deeper truths, new revelations. And if you notice it's always based on at least one scripture, usually taken out of context and falsely interpreted. These false churches are leading us to the false unity of ecumenism.
Heresy that clearly teaches things not in scripture can easily be seen as heresy. But heresy that cleverly uses "new revelation" on old words is more readily accepted. We don't need "new revelation." We need to teach the old things under the power of the Spirit and without apology.
Every church out there in the evangelical industrial complex has deeper truths, new revelations. And if you notice it's always based on at least one scripture, usually taken out of context and falsely interpreted. These false churches are leading us to the false unity of ecumenism.
I think some confuse new revelation with the same revelation just spoken differently and likewise new revelation can simply be a notion that one made up in their imaginations especially those who don't know his voice well enough and confuse it with their own.
But any revelation from the spirit will always have it's roots in scripture in some way or form if opne feels lead to speak or prophesy I would not discourage them but I would test to see if it was God given or not. Many churches out there are all for the spirit but have little knowledge or understanding of scripture one church in particular I went to one time was such a church and I had a very uneasy feeling in my spirit I knew I had to get out of there fast
But any revelation from the spirit will always have it's roots in scripture in some way or form if opne feels lead to speak or prophesy I would not discourage them but I would test to see if it was God given or not. Many churches out there are all for the spirit but have little knowledge or understanding of scripture one church in particular I went to one time was such a church and I had a very uneasy feeling in my spirit I knew I had to get out of there fast
All we need to do is preach and teach the same revelation with the same words. It's those who aren't happy with the true gospel of Christ who feel they have to have change it somehow to make it better. We're not called to make it better; we're called to preach it.
We're also not called to create unity, that's the Spirit's job. If we're walking in the truth, we'll recognize others who are in the truth and have unity and fellowship with them.
We're also not called to create unity, that's the Spirit's job. If we're walking in the truth, we'll recognize others who are in the truth and have unity and fellowship with them.
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The thing is brother it’s how we learn by coming together not knowing everything . It’s just the attitude we need to watch discussion from dofferent points of view is good of the people are all trying to learn , if they are all trying to teach everyone else and are convinced they know it all And can’t be wrong is where the issue comes in but we learn from one another when humility rules and it doesn’t matter who was right or wrong on a subject but that we come to the right answer d acknolwedge it together is the point
edification of each other not one person trying to be the end all edification of everyone else but free discussion d restraint on arguing always leads to the right things when we stay focused on the right word
“Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
Colossians 3:12-
if we came together in those instructions d all took responsibility for our own attitude not worrying about then others but just making whatever point we feel we have and seeing what comes from it when others respond if we’re able to add together and not tear apart we can grow up stronger with drinking milk
“Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.”
1 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
we can discuss in love for the right purposes of edification or for the wrong purposes of being right and knowing a lot about scripture
we grow when we look to each other more in every aspect of life with the right attitudes and no vanity or envy among us
I think really humans are sort of stubborn it takes us awhile to realize thkngs sometimes and God is patient as we believe and look more towards Jesus longsuffering and enduring with us as we learn and grow in him
I think disagreeing is okay d discussing is great if this were like a seminary then only whoever thinks t be have it all figured out would be speaking but I think the idea here is to discuss in the right spirit but that’s hard so because we’re humans
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The effect on the world by the finding of the dead sea scrolls is profound, and amazing. They were hidden for 2,000 years and were found at a time when the church needed them. They are a link between our time and ancient time, and the over all effect of them is that scholars respect the OT through seeing it wasn't much changed by the many transcribing it by hand.
One of my favorites but from a different observation deck I believe, so to speak. I pray that you also are ENLIGHTENED and EDIFIED. I pray you pray on it for a bit before responding. I will stop at that.
I hope you will give a like explanation as you see it from your observation deck and I hope it closely resembles the following in form and function. Please forgive me but it is difficult for me to follow your presentation in the form it is above, I like to receive the answer without searching it out to make sure I get the correct take on it. If it is straightforward and clear cut it eliminates my need to guess incorrectly and we don't waste any of each others precious time.
Took from the Greek to make it easier because we are speaking to the same words
Hasten yourself approved to present to God a workman not ashamed accurately handling the word of truth
Hasten
4704 spoudazó
Strong's Concordance
spoudazó: to make haste, hence to give diligence
Original Word: σπουδάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: spoudazó
Phonetic Spelling: (spoo-dad'-zo)
Definition: to make haste, to give diligence
Usage: I hasten, am eager, am zealous.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 4704 spoudázō – properly, be swift (go fast, be speedy); (figuratively) to move speedily by showing full diligence (fully applying oneself); acting fervently (speedy commitment) to accomplish all that God assigns through faith ("His inbirthed persuasion"). Accordingly, 4704 (spoudázō) and faith (4102 /pístis) are directly linked (see Eph 4:3-5; 2 Tim 4:7-9). See 4710 (spoudē).
accurately handling
3718. orthotomeó ►
Strong's Concordance
orthotomeó: to cut straight
Original Word: ὀρθοτομέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: orthotomeó
Phonetic Spelling: (or-thot-om-eh'-o)
Definition: to cut straight
Usage: I cut straight; met: I handle correctly, teach rightly.
HELPS Word-studies
3718 orthotoméō(from temnō, "to cut" and 3717 /orthós, "straight") – properly, cut straight (on a straight line),
i.e. "rightly divide" (correctly apportion).
2. dropping the idea of cutting, to make straight and smooth; Vulg.rectetracto, to handle aright: τόν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας,
i. e. to teach the truth correctly and directly, 2 Timothy 2:15; τόν ἀληθῆ λόγον, Eustathius, opuscc., p. 115, 41. (Not found elsewhere (except in ecclesiastical writings (Winer's Grammar, 26); e. g. constt. apost. 7, 31 ἐν τῷ τοῦ κυρίου δόγμασιν; cf. Suicer ii. 508f). Cf. καινοτομέω, to cut new veins in mining; dropping the notion of cutting, to make something new, introduce new things, make innovations or changes, etc.)
to make a straight cut, i.e. (figuratively) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message) -- rightly divide.
Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Greek Romans 16
25 To Him now being able you to strengthen according to gospel my and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to revelation of the mystery in times of the ages having been kept secret
26 having been made manifest however now through also Scriptures prophetic according to commandment of the Eternal God unto obedience of faith to all the Gentiles having been made know
I do not see a 'dividing' of scripture, I see the 'revealing of a secret that was all the time written in prophetic Scriptures
Salvation was opened up to whomsoever would. As for a 'division' here, I don't see one.
Ephesians 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
AGAIN, I see no dividing of the words of God. RATHER the gentiles are going to be strengthened by the Spirit, Christ dwell in hearts by faith to be rooted in love and MAY BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND WITH ALL SAINTS. If ANYTHING we see what once was a division being done away with and the GATES that once locked them out being opened so that they could come on in and be fellow servants, joint heirs, partakers WITH....The mystery REVEALED A FELLOWSHIP WAS BROUGHT INTO BEING, not A separation.
THERE WAS A DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO and CHRIST BROKE THAT DIVISION DOWN.
SO what we need to ASK OURSELVES IS WHO BROUGHT THAT DIVISION BACK?
CHRIST DIED AND MADE THE TWO ONE.
WHO DO WE THINK WOULD LIKE TO DIVIDE AND SO CONQUER GODS PEOPLE?
WHO WOULD TRY TO UNDO WHAT CHRIST HAD DONE?
How does it go? a house divided can not stand or something like that.
I hope you can see what I see and I hope you can show me what you see. If we both do that we can find some ground on which we can stand together.