Allah and Christ

[infinitekhanol]

They also deny the deity of Christ (just like the Quran), which means that they do not worship the same God.

Sura 9:30 The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!

I see this as your personal opinion, not a fact of the scripture.

 

[infinitekhanol]

It is the understanding of the truth of God that is in question. This unbelief cuts across the whole religions of the world, Christianity included.

Sorry, I mean to say, this lack of understanding ( not this unbelief)

 

[infinitekhanol]

So, when Jesus said, “No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me,” you believe there are exceptions??

You are talking about a different thing which is not the focus of the discussion.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

No, I do not think so. That, the God of the Jews do not have the same characteristics as the Christian God does not mean that their God is not the same God of Abraham Christians worship.

Show me where the God of the OT is not the same as the NT.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

It is the understanding of the truth of God that is in question. This unbelief cuts across the whole religions of the world, Christianity included.

The truth of God is the Bible, period.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Show me where the God of the OT is not the same as the NT.

If you believe they are one and the same God. It then means that Christians and Jews serve the same God even though the Jews do not believe in the deity of Jesus. Their understanding of this one God is the major problem. It is the same with the Muslims.

 

[infinitekhanol]

The truth of God is the Bible, period.

I think every Christian should know this truth.

 

[infinitekhanol]

We are in NT era, we believe Jesus as God, Muslim don't believe Jesus as God

You then have a great opportunity to preach Jesus to them!

 

[infinitekhanol]

I have read the Bible in it's entirety so you will just need to explain your interpretation.

Please see my post #178 for my meaning. Thanks

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If you believe they are one and the same God. It then means that Christians and Jews serve the same God even though the Jews do not believe in the deity of Jesus. Their understanding of this one God is the major problem. It is the same with the Muslims.

The Jews worship the Father but denies the Son while Christians worships the Trinity.

It is not the same with the Muslims as the Father has different characteristics.

Is Bryan Adams the same as Willie Nelson? Other than sharing the same word “human”.

 

[infinitekhanol]

That is not the best example because Cornelius already feared God and prayed to him. Maybe he was a pagan at one point in his life, or maybe his parents believed in the God of Israel. We don't know. There were four types of people in the ancient world, Israelites called 'Jews' in the first century (in translation at least). Then there were proselytes, men who had been circumcised who took on them the obligation to keep the law of Moses along with women in their households. Another category were pagans. Then there were God-fearing Gentiles who believed in the God of Israel who went to the synagogue, maybe outside of a partition that separated them from the Jews and proselytes. Some of the Pharisees tried to get Gentiles to convert through circumcision. Apparently, this practice influenced some of the churches and Paul opposed it.

It is improbable that Cornelius being a Roman soldier should fall into any of the types of people you have mentioned. A critical look at Acts 10 shows he is none. ----- starting from Peter's trance, his utterances and the attitude of the Jews when they heard he went to see the gentiles.

The truth is that, as Peter said, in every nation (and of course religion), he that fears God and works righteously is accepted of God.

What matters in our service of him is the sincerity and integrity of heart in which we follow him. God searches the heart and he is no respecter of persons or any show of religiosity. He accepts all who call upon his name and worship him in sincerity and truth and then guides them to salvation irrespective of religion or race. The story of Cornelius brings this to light.

There are many Cornelius out there who are non Christians , who are faithfully and sincerely following and serving the living God. And God knows them all.

 

[Aaron56]

He accepts all who call upon his name and worship him in sincerity and truth and then guides them to salvation irrespective of religion or race.

No. It is not sincerity and truth. It's spirit and truth.

John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The Muslims reject the Spirit of Christ so they cannot worship the Living God. They can, however, sincerely worship the evil demon Allah.

 

[Jackson123]

Wow, I cannot really understand what it is you have with the Vatican and the Catholic church. It seems to me that your post is not usually complete without mentioning them.

Yep I believe catholic is not follow the teaching of Jesus, it is mix with pagan, and the teaching Islam worship Jesus is from ccc 841

 

[Jackson123]

You then have a great opportunity to preach Jesus to them!

And you may think don't need to preach Jesus to them because you believe their allah is jesus

 

[Aaron56]

He actually did as clearly spelt out in that scripture. What he addressed was their understanding of this God and their manner of worship.

Being the "unknown god" afforded them some grace. The religion of the unknown god was a placeholder for any they missed in their pantheon, just in case. Their religious practice focused on god-appeasement so it was sacrosanct to omit a power whose offense could mean them harm.

Muslims have a clearly defined god with clearly defined traits and a clearly defined character. Allah is not the Living God and there is no way to shoehorn it into the image of the Father and Son. Allah is a demonic god who demands killing; a demon of war. There is no way to minister to the Muslim without first understanding whose authority he is under.

 

[infinitekhanol]

No. It is not sincerity and truth. It's spirit and truth.

John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The Muslims reject the Spirit of Christ so they cannot worship the Living God. They can, however, sincerely worship the evil demon Allah.

I think you need to go back and read my post to understand my meaning.

 

[infinitekhanol]

And you may think don't need to preach Jesus to them because you believe their allah is jesus

Can you show me where I said Allah is Jesus?

 

[Aaron56]

I think you need to go back and read my post to understand my meaning.

I completely understand where you're coming from as I have dealt with others proclaiming a similar doctrine. It's the world that wants to conflate Islam and the sons of God. God is very clear on the issue and does not agree with it. Anyone touting such things will leave God's grace behind.

You're now on my ignore list.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Being the "unknown god" afforded them some grace. The religion of the unknown god was a placeholder for any they missed in their pantheon, just in case. Their religious practice focused on god-appeasement so it was sacrosanct to omit a power whose offense could mean them harm.

Muslims have a clearly defined god with clearly defined traits and a clearly defined character. Allah is not the Living God and there is no way to shoehorn it into the image of the Father and Son. Allah is a demonic god who demands killing; a demon of war. There is no way to minister to the Muslim without first understanding whose authority he is under.

Can you listen to yourself in this your post?. So, according to you, the pagan God is the Christian God but the Muslim God is not.

Well, I can only say, to you according to your believe. But make sure you are not spreading and teaching lies in the name of religion.

 

[infinitekhanol]

I completely understand where you're coming from as I have dealt with others proclaiming a similar doctrine. It's the world that wants to conflate Islam and the sons of God. God is very clear on the issue and does not agree with it. Anyone touting such things will leave God's grace behind.

You're now on my ignore list.

I am very sure you do not.