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Sipsey

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Israel floundered and eventually lost their place when they refused to be a beacon to the pagan world. What makes us think that the Church is not in danger of going down the same road? It is not our place to condemn, but to reach out in love to bring those in darkness to the true light of eternity. It’s ok to point out the differences, but if love for our fellow man is not at the root of our conversation, then we simply perpetuate the hatred that flourishes in the world.

Truth, by it’s very nature is exclusive, and divisive, just as Jesus said. The hardest issue with most of us is translating the Scritures into our daily thoughts, actions, and words. Most of know what it says, just as the Pharisees, but we stumble putting it to practice.
 

Jackson123

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Israel floundered and eventually lost their place when they refused to be a beacon to the pagan world. What makes us think that the Church is not in danger of going down the same road? It is not our place to condemn, but to reach out in love to bring those in darkness to the true light of eternity. It’s ok to point out the differences, but if love for our fellow man is not at the root of our conversation, then we simply perpetuate the hatred that flourishes in the world.

Truth, by it’s very nature is exclusive, and divisive, just as Jesus said. The hardest issue with most of us is translating the Scritures into our daily thoughts, actions, and words. Most of know what it says, just as the Pharisees, but we stumble putting it to practice.
Yep, we call to love and to love we need to know and diagnose the problem. When doctor love the sick, he need to diagnose the sick, what wrong with the body, so he can help the sick to heal his body.
The problem is lucifer try to build one world government and lucifer use Vatican and Islam as a tool.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yep, Alberto Rivera say Vatican design it long time ago, she work for lucifer to support one world government, the antichrist government
I think the United Nations probably will be connected in with the world system they are already talking about one China system and one monitary system
 

Jackson123

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I think the United Nations probably will be connected in with the world system they are already talking about one China system and one monitary system
Yep, to support one world government need one monetary system, one religion system, one political system and if we remember Hegelian doctrine, they need to create world war 3 to make people the need of peace than this satanic war maker pretend to come with love to offer solution, to make sure no more war.
Remember they pretend to be savior but they are liar and killer. Pope Prius 12 behind Hitler but pretend to help Jews,
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yep, to support one world government need one monetary system, one religion system, one political system and if we remember Hegelian doctrine, they need to create world war 3 to make people the need of peace than this satanic war maker pretend to come with love to offer solution, to make sure no more war.
Remember they pretend to be savior but they are liar and killer. Pope Prius 12 behind Hitler but pretend to help Jews,
yes it seems anytime a man rises to power on earth they are corrupt at the core and serving satans Will

“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems powerful world rulers take after the image of Satan rather than God
 

Jackson123

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yes it seems anytime a man rises to power on earth they are corrupt at the core and serving satans Will

“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems powerful world rulers take after the image of Satan rather than God
I believe Vatican is the main player of one world government

https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/news-and-prophecy/pope-calls-for-one-world-government
 

Pilgrimshope

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could very well be I’m assuming China is the muscle controlled by the powers that will come one will lead but ten kingdoms will serve

“And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:16-17‬ ‭

countries like Iran , Iraq , Syria , ect are definately involved but there is also the powerful nation who ruled the world before revelation and rises again after revelation

there’s a lot at work in the beast a total of eighteen kingdoms / reigns are mentioned with only 11 working together concurrently and seven bekng successive beginning with Babylon and king nebucadnezzar

I definately feel as if rome is involved somehow but much of the world
Will Be involved also and I can’t see the world bekng converted to Catholicism since Christianity is in steady decline and Islam is readily and rapidly growing I believe Islam will also be involved possibly like your saying maybe cstholicism and Islam will try to unite as one religion or something

it’s really hard to say for sure what’s coming but we have scriptire to guide us as we look into the future in the words of the gospel and prophets

That’s what prophecy is God telling us beforehand what is coming

For instance 700 years before Christ came and we have the gospel of his existence in the flesh

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The prophets were foretelling of Jesus birth , his miraculous power , his teachings and judgements ( the gospel )

And the gospel is those things we were told of in the prophets coming to pass

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then The gospel is the fulfillment

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m just saying prophecy tells us the story before it happens so we can learn from prophecy about the future
 

Jackson123

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could very well be I’m assuming China is the muscle controlled by the powers that will come one will lead but ten kingdoms will serve

“And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:16-17‬ ‭

countries like Iran , Iraq , Syria , ect are definately involved but there is also the powerful nation who ruled the world before revelation and rises again after revelation

there’s a lot at work in the beast a total of eighteen kingdoms / reigns are mentioned with only 11 working together concurrently and seven bekng successive beginning with Babylon and king nebucadnezzar

I definately feel as if rome is involved somehow but much of the world
Will Be involved also and I can’t see the world bekng converted to Catholicism since Christianity is in steady decline and Islam is readily and rapidly growing I believe Islam will also be involved possibly like your saying maybe cstholicism and Islam will try to unite as one religion or something

it’s really hard to say for sure what’s coming but we have scriptire to guide us as we look into the future in the words of the gospel and prophets

That’s what prophecy is God telling us beforehand what is coming

For instance 700 years before Christ came and we have the gospel of his existence in the flesh

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The prophets were foretelling of Jesus birth , his miraculous power , his teachings and judgements ( the gospel )

And the gospel is those things we were told of in the prophets coming to pass

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then The gospel is the fulfillment

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m just saying prophecy tells us the story before it happens so we can learn from prophecy about the future
Of course the whole country in the world will involve one world government but Vatican is the architect and driver, or false prophet.
Vatican doesn't have army, only architect, organizer behind the screen.
It will happen like holocaust, it Hitler's but Vatican in behind

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...can-archive-reveal-hitler-truth-pope-pius-xii
 

presidente

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According to John 8, Jesus' opponents in that passage claimed His Father as their God, but had never heard His voice at any time and were of their father the Devil.

Read His statements in John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Of course the Jews were worshipping (prostrating) toward the temple in Jerusalem, not the false temple on Mt. Gerizim like the Samaritans.
 

Jackson123

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According to John 8, Jesus' opponents in that passage claimed His Father as their God, but had never heard His voice at any time and were of their father the Devil.

Read His statements in John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Of course the Jews were worshipping (prostrating) toward the temple in Jerusalem, not the false temple on Mt. Gerizim like the Samaritans.
I don't understand what is the correlation john 8 and this topic can you elaborate
 

presidente

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I don't understand what is the correlation john 8 and this topic can you elaborate
I think the way replies are handled, posts may not all be in chronological order. I should have replied to the post about whether Jews who do not believe in Jesus worship the same God.
 
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It is simply shocking to see Christians trying to make Allah the God of the Bible. They are either ignorant or perverse.[/QUOTEI believe the ignorance comes from those who refuse to believe Allah is the Arabic word for God. ]
 
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The Jews understand the same God as the Father but doesn't accept the Son. The Muslims god was much like the creation of the false gospels as the Gospel of Philip and Gospel of Thomas. Written by a man who was tormented by Demons to the point he was about to kill himself until he went into a cave, claimed a angel spoke to him (much like the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith) and remember this is like 600 years after Jesus walked the Earth. Modern Muslims today say the Bible is corrupted but even Muhammad writes

Sura 10:94:
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed to thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book [the Bible] from before thee; the truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord.​
In this text, God tells Muhammad that if he has doubts about the revelations he has received, then he should go and consult the “People of the Book”—Jews and Christians—who have been reading the Bible for many years and who can verify the accuracy of what Muhammad has been told.

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The problem becomes when if Allah is telling Muhammad to go to the people of the book (Bible) and confirm his revelations then this is declaring at the time he considered the Bible to be inspired.

Modern day technology tells is our Bibles are still accurate and nothing has been lost or corrupted.

The other problem is now with this technology we can compare as in the photo what each God or god, declares.

Showing it is the Quran that is false and the god of the Quran to be false. A false gospel, a false prophet, and false god.

Remember Jesus is God in the flesh which is a big difference than the Quran. A big difference between gods.
Muslims worship and serve the God of Abraham, the creator of heaven and earth and everything in them. He is the only God they serve just like the Jews and Christians. Whether they understand this God correctly is a different question, which is not what we are discussing here. Not even all Christians have the understanding Jesus brought to mankind, not to talk about the Jews. The difference lies in the understanding of this God brought to mankind by our Lord Jesus.
 
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Israel floundered and eventually lost their place when they refused to be a beacon to the pagan world. What makes us think that the Church is not in danger of going down the same road? It is not our place to condemn, but to reach out in love to bring those in darkness to the true light of eternity. It’s ok to point out the differences, but if love for our fellow man is not at the root of our conversation, then we simply perpetuate the hatred that flourishes in the world.

Truth, by it’s very nature is exclusive, and divisive, just as Jesus said. The hardest issue with most of us is translating the Scritures into our daily thoughts, actions, and words. Most of know what it says, just as the Pharisees, but we stumble putting it to practice.
Well said.
 
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Yep, we call to love and to love we need to know and diagnose the problem. When doctor love the sick, he need to diagnose the sick, what wrong with the body, so he can help the sick to heal his body.
The problem is lucifer try to build one world government and lucifer use Vatican and Islam as a tool.
Wow, I cannot really understand what it is you have with the Vatican and the Catholic church. It seems to me that your post is not usually complete without mentioning them.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Muslims worship and serve the God of Abraham, the creator of heaven and earth and everything in them. He is the only God they serve just like the Jews and Christians. Whether they understand this God correctly is a different question, which is not what we are discussing here. Not even all Christians have the understanding Jesus brought to mankind, not to talk about the Jews. The difference lies in the understanding of this God brought to mankind by our Lord Jesus.
It may be the same word in language but the God of Christianity does not carry the same characteristics as Allah. So no, the only thing that is the same is the word for the generic status of God. God also has many names in Hebrew.
 
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It may be the same word in language but the God of Christianity does not carry the same characteristics as Allah. So no, the only thing that is the same is the word for the generic status of God. God also has many names in Hebrew.
No, I do not think so. That, the God of the Jews do not have the same characteristics as the Christian God does not mean that their God is not the same God of Abraham Christians worship.
 
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The Jews understand the same God as the Father but doesn't accept the Son. The Muslims god was much like the creation of the false gospels as the Gospel of Philip and Gospel of Thomas. Written by a man who was tormented by Demons to the point he was about to kill himself until he went into a cave, claimed a angel spoke to him (much like the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith) and remember this is like 600 years after Jesus walked the Earth. Modern Muslims today say the Bible is corrupted but even Muhammad writes

Sura 10:94:
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed to thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book [the Bible] from before thee; the truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord.​
In this text, God tells Muhammad that if he has doubts about the revelations he has received, then he should go and consult the “People of the Book”—Jews and Christians—who have been reading the Bible for many years and who can verify the accuracy of what Muhammad has been told.

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The problem becomes when if Allah is telling Muhammad to go to the people of the book (Bible) and confirm his revelations then this is declaring at the time he considered the Bible to be inspired.

Modern day technology tells is our Bibles are still accurate and nothing has been lost or corrupted.

The other problem is now with this technology we can compare as in the photo what each God or god, declares.

Showing it is the Quran that is false and the god of the Quran to be false. A false gospel, a false prophet, and false god.

Remember Jesus is God in the flesh which is a big difference than the Quran. A big difference between gods.
It is the understanding of the truth of God that is in question. This unbelief cuts across the whole religions of the world, Christianity included.
 
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But Paul did not leave them to their ignorance. He presented the Son and the calling for reconciliation to the Living God through the resurrection of the dead in Christ. Some scoffed at him, some wanted to hear more, and some believed on the spot and followed Paul.

In short: Paul did not equate the unknown god to the Living God. He proclaimed the God who can be known and the One God who, through Christ, men receive their life and being. In Paul’s message there was no more room for an unknown god, only the Living God, and certainly no more room for polytheism.
He actually did as clearly spelt out in that scripture. What he addressed was their understanding of this God and their manner of worship.