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Saved on the basis of WHAT, exactly?
Lot's of people think they are going to heaven. And their answers to this question are quite varied.
You should be...because that is what scripture says. Don't be afraid of maintaining God's word as He had it written.
That is a new age religion teaching that baptism is not required since the 1960's. In research we are unable to validate it and several other new age religion teachings i.e., OSAS, universalism, super grace, etc.,that was not taught prior to the 1960's.
Also, new age religion bibles that have been identified have been written and published since the 1960's. Kinda coincidental?
I think not.....they go together....as aplan to usurpt God's intent and meaning.
Yet... where is your "but..."? You have said that water baptism is required for salvation.
So this demonstrates that your claim above is not 100% accurate. You may be trusting Jesus for salvation, but you are also trusting in your act of water baptism, from all the posts you've made.
If you would only STOP right here, you would be on the right track. But you go WAY beyond what Scripture teaches and add water baptism as a requirement for salvation.
That occurs the moment one places their faith solely on who Christ is and what He did for you on the cross.
Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Your "contention" is just "contentious". And unbiblical.
Where do you get the idea that anyone "appropriates Jesus' blood"? Certainly not in the Bible.
See?? So you CAN'T believe in Jesus 100% for salvation, since you ALSO add water baptism to it.
Faith in Christ is salvation. Paul's answer to the jailer proves that and refutes you.
There is NO possibility of that.
Nonsense. 1 John 5:11-13
11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Jesus said that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. No mention of getting wet. John 10:28
No possibility of losing out. The Bible guarantees salvation to those who believe in Christ.
Nope. The "water" in John 3:5 is a reference to being born physically.
iow, Jesus was saying that one must be born and then born again to enter the kingdom.
There was no mention of water baptism in what He said.
Now you are simply contradicting Scripture in order to maintain your false beliefs. That is not how it works. When you see the appropriate Scriptures, you are to repent and forsake your false beliefs.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19)
Not so. Jesus said both repentance and remission would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) As stated this prophecy by Jesus came about on the Day of Pentecost. The message: "Repent, AND be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sin..." This command actually lines up with the scripture you reference, although your understanding is flawed.
Notice Acts 3:19 states to repent, AND be converted that your sins may be blotted out. Not that repentance blots sin out. Sins are remitted in obedience to water baptism as confirmed by many scriptures.
All I can say to everything is that I know that I have the Holy Ghost because I have fulfilled the condition of a conditional promise for receiving Him.
You may think that you have salvation apart from fulfilling that condition; and you may even have salvation apart from fulfilling that condition.
I have fulfilled that condition; and I believe the promise associated with fulfilling the condition.
The fact that I have fulfilled the condition of the promise does not in any way mean that I do not believe in Jesus Christ.
I know that I know that I know that I have the Holy Ghost because remission of sins and the Holy Ghost are absolutely promised to all those who receive baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
If you have received remission of sins and the Holy Ghost through some other means, then I do not judge you.
However, I think that you are judging me to be unsaved over the fact that I have fulfilled the condition of the promise.
That does not make any sense to me.
Why do you want to take something that in the word of God is something that guarantees salvation and turn it around and make it into something that is condemning to the soul?
This is warped thinking in the slightest.
Again, if you want to neglect an opportunity to receive baptism in Jesus' Name, saying, "I don't really need that because my faith is enough", then I just hope that your faith really is enough and that you really don't need to be baptized in Jesus' Name.
But I think that attitudes can be affected by whether someone has been baptized or not, as concerning faith.
Luk 7:29, And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30, But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
This is why I encourage people to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
For truly, the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who will receive the ordinance; and remission of sins.
You may indeed be able to get it some other way;
But if you want to remove all doubt, "get this one done" and go the whole way with God...receive baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins when you are given the opportunity.
I would say that if you are given the opportunity to confess Him in such a manner, that, as evangelist Greg Laurie has said at Harvest Crusades, to not confess Him is to deny Him.
It should be clear that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is a confession of Jesus before men.
It is written,
Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33, But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Luk 12:8, Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9, But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
You may think that you have salvation apart from fulfilling that condition; and you may even have salvation apart from fulfilling that condition.
I have fulfilled that condition; and I believe the promise associated with fulfilling the condition.
The fact that I have fulfilled the condition of the promise does not in any way mean that I do not believe in Jesus Christ.
I know that I know that I know that I have the Holy Ghost because remission of sins and the Holy Ghost are absolutely promised to all those who receive baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
If you have received remission of sins and the Holy Ghost through some other means, then I do not judge you.
However, I think that you are judging me to be unsaved over the fact that I have fulfilled the condition of the promise.
That does not make any sense to me.
Why do you want to take something that in the word of God is something that guarantees salvation and turn it around and make it into something that is condemning to the soul?
This is warped thinking in the slightest.
Again, if you want to neglect an opportunity to receive baptism in Jesus' Name, saying, "I don't really need that because my faith is enough", then I just hope that your faith really is enough and that you really don't need to be baptized in Jesus' Name.
But I think that attitudes can be affected by whether someone has been baptized or not, as concerning faith.
Luk 7:29, And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30, But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
This is why I encourage people to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
For truly, the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who will receive the ordinance; and remission of sins.
You may indeed be able to get it some other way;
But if you want to remove all doubt, "get this one done" and go the whole way with God...receive baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins when you are given the opportunity.
I would say that if you are given the opportunity to confess Him in such a manner, that, as evangelist Greg Laurie has said at Harvest Crusades, to not confess Him is to deny Him.
It should be clear that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is a confession of Jesus before men.
It is written,
Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33, But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Luk 12:8, Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9, But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
I would say also that since sprinkling is a valid form of baptism, that you can pour water over your own head while asking God to baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins as you do so.
If you already have the Spirit, then it will be God who sprinkles clean water on you (Ezekiel 36:25-27) and if you do not have the Spirit, I believe that the prayer will obtain from the Lord His action in the process.
It will be God sprinkling clean water on you; and He will cleanse you from your filthiness and from your idols.
If you do not have filthiness or idols, then disregard this post. For Jesus came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.
I believe that the water can indeed be a solidifying of the repentance that you want to appropriate before God.
It certainly won't hurt you to do what I am saying; in fact there is an absolute promise associated with doing what I am saying.
If it doesn't take somehow, you can always go and get it professionally done by an Apostolic minister;
But I believe that God will honour any semblance of faith that would actually take the step of doing what I am saying.
If you already have the Spirit, then it will be God who sprinkles clean water on you (Ezekiel 36:25-27) and if you do not have the Spirit, I believe that the prayer will obtain from the Lord His action in the process.
It will be God sprinkling clean water on you; and He will cleanse you from your filthiness and from your idols.
If you do not have filthiness or idols, then disregard this post. For Jesus came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.
I believe that the water can indeed be a solidifying of the repentance that you want to appropriate before God.
It certainly won't hurt you to do what I am saying; in fact there is an absolute promise associated with doing what I am saying.
If it doesn't take somehow, you can always go and get it professionally done by an Apostolic minister;
But I believe that God will honour any semblance of faith that would actually take the step of doing what I am saying.
Let's look at it again.
" Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Why all this assumption that Peter was talking about water here?
What did John the baptizer say about Jesus? Mark 1:8 - I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
John was making a clear distinction between 2 DIFFERENT kinds of baptism. His baptism was symbolic a ritual involving water.
Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit, NO water involved. When a person believes, they HAVE the Holy Spirit in them. This is a real identification.
Note what Peter and company (6 believers) said about their time with Cornelius:
Acts 11-
12 The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house.
13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter.
14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’
15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
We see that an angel told Cornelius that Peter's message would bring salvation in v.14
v.15 shows the Holy Spirit's indwelling on those who had believed.
v.16 Peter recalls Jesus' words about John the baptizer. All in CONTEXT.
v.17 Peter equates the experience of the Holy Spirit with Cornelius and household with their own experience on the Day of Penecost when the believers received the Holy Spirit.
Now, WHEN was Cornelius baptized? AFTER receiving the Holy Spirit. Water baptism had NOTHING to do with his receiving the Holy Spirit. Any more than when Peter and the other 120 believers (Acts 1:15) received the Holy Spirit, where there was NO WATER BAPTISM mentioned at all.
With all this said, IF IF IF you think you are saved because of getting water baptized, your trust is misplaced.
This also demonstrates your FALSE BELIEFS.
No one "asks God to baptise you". That's absurd. God GIVES the Holy Spirit WHEN a person believes in Christ.
Gal 3:2,5
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
Those who hear and believe the gospel HAVE the Holy Spirit. No one asks for His indwelling. Just a false doctrine.
I believe that Jesus will confess me before the Father and before the holy angels because I have confessed Him before men in water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
I believe that I have also received remission of sins and the Holy Ghost, as promised.
Luk 11:9, And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:11, If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luk 11:12, Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13, If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jesus is here purporting false doctrine, in your opinion?
It should be clear that it was water baptism that was being advocated in Acts 2:38-39.
Otherwise Peter was being redundant..."you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit as the result of being baptized in the Holy Spirit"...
My answer to this is that the Father exists as a Spirit inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15). He lived one eternal moment and then descended into time in order to take on human flesh;
Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
The same Spirit exists in eternity as the one true God (John 17:3);
and in human flesh in the Person of the incarnation of the one true God (He is truly God).
There is one God; even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9 (kjv));
Who has been incarnated in flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ.
Anything else is Tritheism.