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How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Soul sleep vs spirits of saints now in heaven.
Watch the " slam dunks" dissappear.
Big time
the disembodied saints now in heaven come with Jesus at the pretrib rapture and enter their resurrected bodies.
BTW...All dead raising has that dynamic.
In order for you SEE the Correct View you must elevate to Higher Ground.
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess.
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
You just placed the rapture during the mil.
That is after the megeddo battle and WAY after Jesus returns on white horses...AHEM...With his saints.
Well it is a stretch to compare....but, the big difference is that John was converted into...... spirit form temporarily for the invite....... and the rapture is a permanent transition from physical world to the spirit world.
I just read something yesterday that is interesting.
In the Book of Revelation it says John wept bitterly because he understood that no man was found in heaven and no man was found on Earth that could open the seals. So a search among men in heaven was made and of all those men in heaven none were found worthy. John understood what was going in that Dynamic which is the kinsman-redeemer. Then at that point the actual kinsman-redeemer entered the scene. He was the worthy one that all of Heaven did not realize was the kinsman-redeemer that could open the seals. So in other words the men in heaven, are in heaven at the breaking of the seals. But beyond that in Revelation 14 verses one through about 5 or 6 we see the 144,000 Jewish believers in heaven Before the Throne and it even says these were redeemed from the Earth. So we see men in heaven at the start of Revelation, and about mid-trib are just before the Wrath of God.
My KJV Bible tells me that the dead and living in Christ are raptured. They return with Christ at His 2nd advent.
Please show scripture for them coming with Christ at the time of the rapture?
And I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude, like the rushing of many waters, and like a mighty rumbling of thunder, crying out:
“Hallelujah!
For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.
Let us rejoice and be glad
and give Him the glory.
For the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
She was given clothing of fine linen,
bright and pure.”
For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.
Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
Where does the LORD say Blessed are those who are pre-trib raptured in order to be His Bride and invited to the marriage supper???
Where does the LORD in any verse in Revelation say: "these are they who were pre-trib raptured"
WHERE - Can you find God saying 'pre-trib rapture anywhere in Scripture?
look at it this way.
If they dont, and are in heaven as martyrs now, what enters their body as spirits?
Their spirits went someplace when they physically died.
Their spirits return to their bodies when?
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep/died in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
I've answered numerous times in numerous ways, using numerous verses--and yet you all still hang tenaciously on to your pagan myth that is easily refuted by scripture--how a true Christian can believe they can circumvent the Judgment--that they are not looking forward to the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ because they believe they are already with Him in heaven is beyond my understanding.
You do know if that is how it is done then the wicked face damnation also at death and also circumvent the judgment.
This is a completely false doctrine. Again and again I say, it is in the isolation of verses that false doctrine originates.
You are like the Pharisees who continued to question the blind man after he received his sight.
Yes they are false to YOU. The same as they would be false to a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. They do not fit your false narrative. the videos use scripture, scripture scripture--and all you do is spew 'you're wrong' you're wrong' like a first grader who is arguing with his teacher that the earth is flat.
The willful blindness to the truth on this forum, despite irrefutable theological evidence is mind boggling.
Here you go again. It doesn't matter if a handful of people on this forum believe lies--do you think that somehow makes your belief in a pagan myth anymore true?
Paradise/Heaven--do you think they are two different things? Paul said "Whether in the body our out of the body I do not know"--Of course it was because it was so real. No one has ascended to heaven but the Son.
"Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."--John 9:41
I watched the vid.
He brings up the usual verses.
Which one is a game changer?
Where dies he RECONCILE the other view vs HIS view?
All i am seeing is a rehash of ONE SIDE of the issue.
In rev the martyrs ARE IN HEAVEN UNDER THE ALTAR. During the trib or before it. They speak and are spoken to ....IN HEAVEN....BEFORE the pretrib rapture.
AHEM.......Pre resurrection!!!
That alone destroys your vid.
This man only quotes bible verses--they are clear and straightforward--others on this forum believe that a believer goes directly to heaven when they die, circumventing the judgment of both the believer and the unbeliever AND without their glorified bodies--which is CLEARLY UNBIBLICAL. Only unbelievers and roman catholics believe such a thing--and obviously some christians. It shows a serious ignorance and backwardness regarding the order of things.